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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:

JWBS wrote:


Ultimately duncan will rise or fall by subscribers I for one will not be subscribing mainly due to the abundance of free videos available. But wish him luck none the less as I would anyone starting out a painting channel.

It also IMO depends on how much force of personality he has, there are tons of tutorials out there and being entertaining is going to be way more important.
If he stays wooden like he is, i dont think he will survive long

Absolutely, he has to in my opinion do something to stand out like you say, or why would you pay for what you can get for free. Warhammer TV has definitely bought him some kudos but as time goes by it will become about his strength of brand or personality. But as before Good luck to him and any other painters out there.

I still enjoy his videos though and sometimes I do like to paint the "warhammer " way as it is a simple and clean look and find I can add some extra touches and before I get criticised it is not the only way or neither am I saying it is the best way that is up to the individual to decide what works best for them.

I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

That's what he does in his videos. It's not explained in details, indeed, but he uses the painting video to explain step by step what to do with each color.

You have to start somewhere, and copying others is what we do at the beginning. We all did, even those who don't remember it and claim they were born with a brush in their hand.

Also, the format of the video is meant to be something light yet instructive. We'll see what Duncan will put for the paid subscription and if it is worth the money. However, I believe he made the right choice here. Youtube videos while meaning to have a paid subscription elsewhere are usually there to catch the eye of people. It is a fact that appealing to beginners is meant to draw more people than appealing to the elite painters (who already have their own tricks, anyway).

I'll personally be subscribing to support the content creator who I respect did a big thing by leaving GW

You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

Anyway, I'm impressed at the £3 price. It's still not something I'd subscribe to more than say... every 3-6 months unless there was a specific tutorial I wanted in that moment, but considering I subscribe to zero Twitch's, Patreons, etc that's saying something.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

Duncan is popular because he's extremely beginner friendly. He manages to produce work that's not exceptional by say... Golden Demon or professional work, but for your average player is fantastic. He breaks it down and displays it in such a way that your standard self-conscious, inexperienced painter can follow along with his steps and think to themselves, "Hey that seems simple enough, I could do that too!" Half the battle with getting models painted is motivation and Duncan's videos gave that to a lot of people. It's less about the actual techniques as it is giving people a kick up the arse to pick up a brush, paints and get started.

I loved the easy to follow, 2 minutes or less video formats. It helped me gain some tips and idea from tutorials I normally wouldnt have had interest in, factions I don't collect, and AOS guides.

 Arbitrator wrote:
You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

Anyway, I'm impressed at the £3 price. It's still not something I'd subscribe to more than say... every 3-6 months unless there was a specific tutorial I wanted in that moment, but considering I subscribe to zero Twitch's, Patreons, etc that's saying something.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

Duncan is popular because he's extremely beginner friendly. He manages to produce work that's not exceptional by say... Golden Demon or professional work, but for your average player is fantastic. He breaks it down and displays it in such a way that your standard self-conscious, inexperienced painter can follow along with his steps and think to themselves, "Hey that seems simple enough, I could do that too!" Half the battle with getting models painted is motivation and Duncan's videos gave that to a lot of people. It's less about the actual techniques as it is giving people a kick up the arse to pick up a brush, paints and get started.

I find myself to be very much in agreement with you.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Paying is not an option for me though, not even for state of the art painting tutorials that make you like a Picasso.

Specially when you have so much for free already available. The Warhammer channel for example delivers the exact same thing free of charge so I don't see how this would work out.

I think one video is too little to assume we know exactly what the entire channel will be.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ahh so giving an opinion on what i think these videos do is called elitism now.
There is nothing elitist about thinking these videos do more harm than good.
Teaching good, basic techniques, basecoating, washing and how to make your own scheme and make your own way to paint is 100% better than these videos and will make the hobby better.

I get why you don't like them, I even get why you think different tutorials would be more beneficial to new painters, but I'm stuck on how that is harmful to the hobby, or that other videos make the hobby better - how does how anyone else enjoys painting effect you?

I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

You have said that multiple times, so maybe its time to drop it? Some people agree, others do not and this argument has gained two in thread warnings so far.

 ingtaer wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

You have said that multiple times, so maybe its time to drop it? Some people agree, others do not and this argument has gained two in thread warnings so far.

Was it the debate that got the warning or the name calling that occured the got the warning, cause the debate seemed to continue for a bit after the name calling ended.

The whole "harmful to the community" tangent can be dropped I think.

deano2099 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Paying is not an option for me though, not even for state of the art painting tutorials that make you like a Picasso.

Specially when you have so much for free already available. The Warhammer channel for example delivers the exact same thing free of charge so I don't see how this would work out.

I think one video is too little to assume we know exactly what the entire channel will be.

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The video is one example of what he will add to the channel correct? So is my comparison, just one example...
I don't assume its the totality of what he will add to the academy but then again I don't discard it either. In short we don't know.

What I do know is the following, even if he diversifies to pro tutorials etc I will still not subscribe it.

Does subscribing to a YT channel cost money now?

 Albertorius wrote:
Does subscribing to a YT channel cost money now?

No.

No but academy thing he is doing yes.

Content on both will probably differ obviously.

 NAVARRO wrote:
No but academy thing he is doing yes.

Content on both will probably differ obviously.

I didn't actually quite catch that, tbh. Interesting. Still, watching the YT stuff might give you an idea of what he'll be doing and whether or not that's something that interests you.

If I understand correctly, it's a monthly subscription to access his full website, right?

Yes.

I'll subscribe and see what it's all about, I've always liked his format of tutorial and thought it was a shame they stopped doing them in favour of the current shorter and faster ones. So personally quite pleased that he's returning to a tried and tested format of video that works for him.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

Right, because I'm sure most people have difficulty thinking, "He uses red for that part, but I might try painting it blue instead!"

 Arbitrator wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

Right, because I'm sure most people have difficulty thinking, "He uses red for that part, but I might try painting it blue instead!"

As an inexperienced painter I find the problem isn't thinking of different colours to use; its more how to create those colours to look good. Ergo its learning how to make a red, or a blue or a green. Then the next level is "how do I make it look like a different material." Ergo a difference between shiny metallic armour green and cloth green and magical green etc...

So if you know a sister of battle is wearing black armour you might copy that part of the colour tutorial and put it on a Terminator.


Duncan's guides work great for this because he does tend to focus on each area and section when painting.


Of course the level up from that is writing down each of the recipes and working out how to blend them together - ergo which part to paint first, then second etc... So that you're not painting over the same spot; or so that you can unite certain steps like a nuln oil wash.

The Stormtrooper guide was pretty spot on. Love the way he combined different paints and shows the bennies of the wash.

Sorastro is kinda the gold standard for beginner friendly painting guides in non-GW circles. His more recent Marvel ones are fairly advanced right out the gate, but all of his board game & Legion guides are super easy to follow, and he likes to do the first half of a video on how to get them table-top ready (AKA "Battle Ready"), then the second half of his videos are how to take a basic paintjob and take it up a few levels. Sometimes he'll show glazing techniques or source-lighting or weathering effects.

Duncan shouldn't copy him wholesale, but the idea of "here's Battle Ready, now we're going to kick it up with X technique" would be a good one for him to do

 Arbitrator wrote:
You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

I have always been critical of Duncan Rhodes.

He is a GW pitchman who teaches people how to use the GW paint system to do basic technique. The brand allowed him to overshadow better painters people could learn more from, and keeps them from being exposed to a variety of other products.

The fact he's no longer with GW is a good thing, seeing him use product other than GW models is a good thing. I wish him success.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

I have always been critical of Duncan Rhodes.

He is a GW pitchman who teaches people how to use the GW paint system to do basic technique. The brand allowed him to overshadow better painters people could learn more from, and keeps them from being exposed to a variety of other products.

The fact he's no longer with GW is a good thing, seeing him use product other than GW models is a good thing. I wish him success.

Completely agree with this statement.

 techsoldaten wrote:
The brand allowed him to overshadow better painters people could learn more from, and keeps them from being exposed to a variety of other products.

That isn't even slightly true. I personally don't watch his videos because I paint better than his vids teach people to paint, but to say that he's preventing people from being exposed to a variety of other teachers and products is patently false. If he didn't exist, it wouldn't mean that people will suddenly find themselves seeking out alternative sources of education. Unless what you are saying is "The fact that GW puts out these videos highlighting their own products means that people are less likely to seek alternate products", well, that would be the case with some people, but it would be their own fault and would have absolutely nothing to do with Duncan Rhodes.

Saw it, he seems to be getting better with presentation and such. but he still seems to lack energy other youtubers who paint do.
Im still confused on why he uses a ceramic plate. why not an egg carton palette or something like that?

I loved his stormtrooper demo.

And i always likes Peachy more because he was more fun.
I think alot of people got attached to the idea of duncan as this painter who is teaching them to paint, which is why alot of people always disliked when someoine new came in to teach even though they where teaching the same way ad duncan.
Duncan got alot of hype from the first 1-2 years it was just him teaching to paint that people got attached to him.

I love Peachys conversions. That's a series GW should start. They've done minor conversions but nothing major