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2020/03/10 18:36:49
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
I do like Duncan's style. And I do like the way his videos are presented. It's clear he got a lot of professionnal experience and knows how to make it look right.
Guess I'm used to his voice, but I do like people like him that have just the right tone and don't act "hyped" or "excited" just for the show / talking about nonsense in the middle of the video. Straight to the point, nothing more, nothing less. That's perfect for a tutorial video, IMHO.
And he can use whatever he wants for his wet palette.
2020/03/11 01:06:08
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Kalamadea wrote: Sorastro is kinda the gold standard for beginner friendly painting guides in non-GW circles. His more recent Marvel ones are fairly advanced right out the gate, but all of his board game & Legion guides are super easy to follow, and he likes to do the first half of a video on how to get them table-top ready (AKA "Battle Ready"), then the second half of his videos are how to take a basic paintjob and take it up a few levels. Sometimes he'll show glazing techniques or source-lighting or weathering effects.
Duncan shouldn't copy him wholesale, but the idea of "here's Battle Ready, now we're going to kick it up with X technique" would be a good one for him to do
Yup. Plus they work really well as a series, introducing techniques earlier on which are then reused later, in the style some people here like. But still focused on a specific mini.
2020/03/11 04:34:01
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
hotsauceman1 wrote: And i always likes Peachy more because he was more fun.
I think alot of people got attached to the idea of duncan as this painter who is teaching them to paint, which is why alot of people always disliked when someoine new came in to teach even though they where teaching the same way ad duncan.
Duncan got alot of hype from the first 1-2 years it was just him teaching to paint that people got attached to him.
Or - and this is just a wild blue-sky thought here but go with me - people prefer different styles of presentation to you?
Personally I've often found the "HEY HO WATCHERINOS, LETS DO SOME PAINTING BRUH!!!! *guitar solo*" type of "energetic" presenter on YT grating as hell, I'm watching to get information not as entertainment.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2020/03/11 05:01:09
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
I mean you can be both.
Sorastro is a perfect example, where informative and fun. another few like Angel Giraldez and Miniac are perfect example of both.
Duncan seems like he needs coffee, and LOTS of it.
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2020/03/11 05:09:09
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean you can be both.
Sorastro is a perfect example, where informative and fun. another few like Angel Giraldez and Miniac are perfect example of both.
Duncan seems like he needs coffee, and LOTS of it.
Yeah I don't get where you're coming from at all. There's basically no difference between Duncan and Sorastro in terms of the "energy" of their "performance", and that warbling buffoon Miniac is exactly the kind of "style" I cannot stand.
It really does just seem like you're desperately casting about for reasons to dislike Duncan after your earlier attempt to pitch him as the Hobby Great Satan fell utterly flat.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2020/03/11 05:42:26
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
I never once said anything of the ilk. you are being needlessly hyperbolic.
I personally never liked Duncan, i found him flat boring and his videos when they where lik 1:30m where tolerable. but these longer videos i find him boring and quite frankly put me to sleep.
Peachy, James workshop and others bring way more energy and enjoyment to their videos.
I never honestly saw the hype behind him and why people didnt like whenever someone else did a tutorial.
There are way better painters out there, Kenny Boucher, Miniac, Sorastro and Kujo to name a few that are way more enjoyable.
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2020/03/11 06:19:44
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
hotsauceman1 wrote: I never once said anything of the ilk. you are being needlessly hyperbolic.
I personally never liked Duncan, i found him flat boring and his videos when they where lik 1:30m where tolerable. but these longer videos i find him boring and quite frankly put me to sleep.
Peachy, James workshop and others bring way more energy and enjoyment to their videos.
I never honestly saw the hype behind him and why people didnt like whenever someone else did a tutorial.
There are way better painters out there, Kenny Boucher, Miniac, Sorastro and Kujo to name a few that are way more enjoyable.
I'm being needlessly hyperbolic? From the person who claimed that basic painting tutorials were "damaging the hobby" that's quite a remark
As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective? Even assuming the "more energy and enjoyment" line was accurate, preferring that style of presentation is just that, a preference, not an objective measure of quality. I find Boucher and Miniac to be utterly intolerable for more than a couple of minutes, but I don't spend my time haunting forum threads about their work denigrating them or making ludicrous claims about their negative influence on the hobby, I just don't watch their videos if I can help it. Sorastro and Duncan's more matter-of-fact delivery and straightforward "follow along and practice a bit and you can achieve the same result" is much more my speed, but I'm not going to pretend that means other styles are somehow invalid.
Then again, maybe I've just been "damaged" by too much exposure to Duncan's videos
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2020/03/11 06:34:21
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?
That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.
2020/03/11 06:43:42
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?
That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.
I honestly thought that people knew this as default. the fact that people feel the need to say "Dont you know its subjective" kinda makes me wonder what the internet has done to us!!
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2020/03/11 06:54:03
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.
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2020/03/11 06:57:19
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
I liked the Stormtrooper video and want to see about adapting that recipe for white armor to my own uses at some point. I've not seen many white tutorials building up highlights on top of Contrast like that before, they always seemed to go either one way or the other (GW especially seems really reluctant to "cross the streams" in any way).
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2020/03/11 07:18:26
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Agamemnon2 wrote: I liked the Stormtrooper video and want to see about adapting that recipe for white armor to my own uses at some point. I've not seen many white tutorials building up highlights on top of Contrast like that before, they always seemed to go either one way or the other (GW especially seems really reluctant to "cross the streams" in any way).
I presume this is because contrast paints are marketed as more for beginners, I.e here is a quick and easy way to get your model painted and on tabletop?
That's my interpretation of it.
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2020/03/11 07:20:28
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Marxist artist wrote: I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.
I follow like 10-15 miniature and scale model painters lol. Not a day goes by I don't watch some painting tutorials.
But like I said, the biggest thjng for me is just finding new ways to do things, if it wasn't for scale modeling I should never have found Tamiya panel liner which changed my life.
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2020/03/11 07:37:20
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?
That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.
And yet despite those hollow words, there's never any hint that hotsauceman understands what subjectivity means in context, given the previous pronouncements in the thread and the complete lack of ability to even comprehend how anyone could disagree, let alone a sincere acknowledgement such disagreement could be valid.
They've repeatedly made declarative statements about Duncan's quality, about the value or otherwise of the style of tutorial being presented, about the nature and qualities of the people who enjoy that style, and the fact that they only have opinions to back up those statements is exactly the point I'm attempting to get across.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2020/03/11 07:39:32
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Marxist artist wrote: I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not to make this a hatefest or anything, but I kind of get what you mean. He's very brash and extroverted, a style I'm perhaps already too old to appreciate. He clearly has a following and unmistakable skill, however. I'm a big fan of Vince Venturella's work, especially the long Q&As and feedback sessions he does, not to mention his product reviews.
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2020/03/11 07:52:54
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Marxist artist wrote: I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.
I follow like 10-15 miniature and scale model painters lol. Not a day goes by I don't watch some painting tutorials.
But like I said, the biggest thjng for me is just finding new ways to do things, if it wasn't for scale modeling I should never have found Tamiya panel liner which changed my life.
Marxist artist wrote: I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not to make this a hatefest or anything, but I kind of get what you mean. He's very brash and extroverted, a style I'm perhaps already too old to appreciate. He clearly has a following and unmistakable skill, however. I'm a big fan of Vince Venturella's work, especially the long Q&As and feedback sessions he does, not to mention his product reviews.
Is probably a sign of my age too, although I am not forced to watch him so it's fine, I don't doubt his talent just his presentation style is not to my likening. But has loads of subscribers so he must be doing something right.
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2020/03/11 08:16:44
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
There so many great painters with excellent tutorials for every aspect of the hobby.
To name a few YT channels Painting buddha, Kujo, Trovarion, Not just mecha, Sorastro, Dr. Faust painting clinic, Angel Giraldez, Vince Venturella,
Zatcaskagoon Miniatures (True grim dark style, oil paints...) and many more
My Favourites are Painting buddha, Trovarion and Kujo...one of the best hairy brush tutorials. Ben Komets from PB is just a world class painter and a teacher
and it shows.
The Not just mecha (Marco Frisoni) and Zatcaskagoon Miniatures are becoming one of my got to as well because of the alternative style which I want to learn
Oil painting, enamel...
I watch as many as I can and these channels offer so much content, various content, using all kind of paints and materials.
Kenny Boucher and Miniac although they offer excellent content are hard to watch, I take a look at some of their videos from time to time...but it's hard.
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2020/03/11 08:23:42
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Marxist artist wrote: I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.
I follow like 10-15 miniature and scale model painters lol. Not a day goes by I don't watch some painting tutorials.
But like I said, the biggest thjng for me is just finding new ways to do things, if it wasn't for scale modeling I should never have found Tamiya panel liner which changed my life.
What is tamiya panel liner?
It's a dark enamel wash designed for easy panel lining on scale model kits. I've not tried it myself, but I've read several articles and testimonials about how good it is for things like modern military models with a lot of detail like that.
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2020/03/11 08:29:05
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?
That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.
I honestly thought that people knew this as default. the fact that people feel the need to say "Dont you know its subjective" kinda makes me wonder what the internet has done to us!!
Yeah, it's a given that anyone expressing their opinion in definitive terms is actually aware that their opinion is not really definitive and also knows that they aren't obliged to acknowledge that fact.
2020/03/11 08:31:24
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
hotsauceman1 wrote: And i always likes Peachy more because he was more fun.
I think alot of people got attached to the idea of duncan as this painter who is teaching them to paint, which is why alot of people always disliked when someoine new came in to teach even though they where teaching the same way ad duncan.
Duncan got alot of hype from the first 1-2 years it was just him teaching to paint that people got attached to him.
Or - and this is just a wild blue-sky thought here but go with me - people prefer different styles of presentation to you?
Personally I've often found the "HEY HO WATCHERINOS, LETS DO SOME PAINTING BRUH!!!! *guitar solo*" type of "energetic" presenter on YT grating as hell, I'm watching to get information not as entertainment.
hotsauceman1 wrote:I mean you can be both.
Sorastro is a perfect example, where informative and fun. another few like Angel Giraldez and Miniac are perfect example of both.
Duncan seems like he needs coffee, and LOTS of it.
Different people like different things, news at eleven.
I mean, surely there's nothing wrong with that and everyone can go watch what they prefer, right? Even comment on what they don't and why, I'm sure.
2020/03/11 09:28:48
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
I feel like a conversation of who is a good painter to watch, though great and quite useful, should be in general or in M&P or something. As they aren’t anything to do with Duncan’s channel.
(Side note though, yeah I do think Miniac is a bit annoying at times, but I have still watched several of his videos. Whereas if someone is really bad I don’t think I would ever watch them again).
(Also HotSauce, at least one potentially more painting videos! I wish I had the time, I don’t even have the time for painting my own let alone watching others.
Maybe down the line, newborn baby and my 3 year old aside )
2020/03/11 15:23:30
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Danny76 wrote: I feel like a conversation of who is a good painter to watch, though great and quite useful, should be in general or in M&P or something. As they aren’t anything to do with Duncan’s channel.
(Side note though, yeah I do think Miniac is a bit annoying at times, but I have still watched several of his videos. Whereas if someone is really bad I don’t think I would ever watch them again).
(Also HotSauce, at least one potentially more painting videos! I wish I had the time, I don’t even have the time for painting my own let alone watching others.
Maybe down the line, newborn baby and my 3 year old aside )
You have a very valid point in regards going a bit off topic I am as guilty as any.
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2020/03/17 19:15:16
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
Duncan's latest miniature is a Bolt Action German Grenadier ('44-'45):
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2020/03/18 18:50:13
Subject: Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - What is Painting Academy + Sister of Battle tutorial - Page 8
I like Duncan's tutorials and I won't miss £4 a month so supporting his venture, even if I only watch 10% of the content. feels like a good thing to do given the economic situation.
We're very excited to tell you that we plan to launch our site on Friday 27th of March! This is of course dependent on current events, but so far so good. We have a nice catalogue of videos ready for you to enjoy and it will be updated with new content every week.
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2020/03/27 08:05:02
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - Launching March 27th
Well, what strange times we are living in. It's all becoming a little bit weird out there, but we both sincerely hope you're getting on well and are keeping safe.
We thought about delaying our launch until everything gets back to normal but in the end decided to stick to our plan- we're almost ready and are excited to say that the Academy will go live tomorrow on the 27th of March!
The Keeper of Secrets is the star of our longest and most in-depth tutorial in the Academy. This miniature is a fabulous kit from Games Workshop and the centrepiece of a daemonic army, and is bedecked with jewels, opulence and detail. Clocking in at 50 minutes long, Duncan takes you through the entire process of painting the miniature from start to finish including what sub-assemblies to build it in for ease of access to detail, and showcases how to use Citadel Contrast paints and Contrast Medium to achieve smooth blends and soft shading across the skin and onto the claws.
This is a video we have wanted to make for a long time and has been the culmination of a lot of hard work. We made every effort to make sure that the tuition is clear and detailed, and that the shots (the closeup in particular) show everything sharper than ever before. This video is for now the longest that we have on the site but it will soon be joined by more centrepiece tutorials for large minis!
There are of course many more videos on the site and there will be many more, and soon. We will be adding new videos every week (depending on current events of course), so tomorrow head over to duncanrhodes.com and check it out! Thanks so much for your interest, we really hope that you sign up to the site and enjoy taking a look at what we have been making!
Keep safe.
-Dunc and Rog
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2020/03/27 09:37:53
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy - Launching March 27th
BrookM wrote: From the newsletter, sent out yesterday:
Well, what strange times we are living in. It's all becoming a little bit weird out there, but we both sincerely hope you're getting on well and are keeping safe.
We thought about delaying our launch until everything gets back to normal but in the end decided to stick to our plan- we're almost ready and are excited to say that the Academy will go live tomorrow on the 27th of March!
The Keeper of Secrets is the star of our longest and most in-depth tutorial in the Academy. This miniature is a fabulous kit from Games Workshop and the centrepiece of a daemonic army, and is bedecked with jewels, opulence and detail. Clocking in at 50 minutes long, Duncan takes you through the entire process of painting the miniature from start to finish including what sub-assemblies to build it in for ease of access to detail, and showcases how to use Citadel Contrast paints and Contrast Medium to achieve smooth blends and soft shading across the skin and onto the claws.
This is a video we have wanted to make for a long time and has been the culmination of a lot of hard work. We made every effort to make sure that the tuition is clear and detailed, and that the shots (the closeup in particular) show everything sharper than ever before. This video is for now the longest that we have on the site but it will soon be joined by more centrepiece tutorials for large minis!
There are of course many more videos on the site and there will be many more, and soon. We will be adding new videos every week (depending on current events of course), so tomorrow head over to duncanrhodes.com and check it out! Thanks so much for your interest, we really hope that you sign up to the site and enjoy taking a look at what we have been making!
Keep safe.
-Dunc and Rog
Sounds good. Is it behind a paywall? I don't want to harp on it (I fell like I am because I've said it already in this thread), but what has been shown on YT so far is some very basic B stuff - is this more of the same? I'm very curious to see. If this is the big launch vid, as seems to be indicated here, then it sounds like it will dictate whether or not I personally am willing to pay a subscription to this service (I'm certainly a potential customer, depending on the product offered). Like I say, I'm quite keen to see how it looks.
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