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 Kall3m0n wrote:

Karol wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
As a Guard player it feels like I am playing an entirely different game from whomever I am playing and usually not for the better.

As a GK player I feel as if I play a totaly different army and game, when ever I go first and second. And according people smarter then me, this happens to be true, as far as tournament win/lose ratios goes related to when ever a GK player goes first or second.

Yeah, GK are in a bad spot. And have been for quite a while.

they were in a good spot after they got their PA and before 9th came around.

In 9th, every army that relies on buffing their own units with psychic powers are super swingy in winrate when it comes to going first or second sadly.
Even without adding the "abhor the witch" secondary the games are super swingy.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
As a Guard player it feels like I am playing an entirely different game from whomever I am playing and usually not for the better.

When I have run Guard it certainly feels like an uphill struggle. Sitting back and shooting is not a viable approach in 9th. Leman Russ with heavy bolters have done some good work, but they die and give up Secondaries. Might try an infantry heavy list.

 Kall3m0n wrote:


Yeah, GK are in a bad spot. And have been for quite a while.

oddly enough even with those problems and the abhore the witch thing, I still like 9th ed GK very much. Although, I do have to mention that I got my hands on the PA book less then 10 days before my store got closed down because of corona. And I got to play 2 games of 8th ed with it.
I am a firm beliver in the good, being the enemy of better. I'd rather have GW not mess with my army, because their attempts at fixing stuff end up with nerfs in general. But I do understand that 9th isn't as fun to someone playing IG or Tau. Maybe next edition will be better for them.

Karol wrote:

 Kall3m0n wrote:


Yeah, GK are in a bad spot. And have been for quite a while.

oddly enough even with those problems and the abhore the witch thing, I still like 9th ed GK very much. Although, I do have to mention that I got my hands on the PA book less then 10 days before my store got closed down because of corona. And I got to play 2 games of 8th ed with it.
I am a firm beliver in the good, being the enemy of better. I'd rather have GW not mess with my army, because their attempts at fixing stuff end up with nerfs in general. But I do understand that 9th isn't as fun to someone playing IG or Tau. Maybe next edition will be better for them.

Its probably going to be better for them once they get a 9th edition codex, no need to wait a whole other edition.

I have my doubts what that new edition will be. I have a feeling regiments will get the boot and that order will now have to be made in the command phase. That and worse rules.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Kall3m0n wrote:


Yeah, GK are in a bad spot. And have been for quite a while.

oddly enough even with those problems and the abhore the witch thing, I still like 9th ed GK very much. Although, I do have to mention that I got my hands on the PA book less then 10 days before my store got closed down because of corona. And I got to play 2 games of 8th ed with it.
I am a firm beliver in the good, being the enemy of better. I'd rather have GW not mess with my army, because their attempts at fixing stuff end up with nerfs in general. But I do understand that 9th isn't as fun to someone playing IG or Tau. Maybe next edition will be better for them.

Its probably going to be better for them once they get a 9th edition codex, no need to wait a whole other edition.

Their Codexes are going to allow them to play on a large enough table that they won't get turn-one charged and stuck in melee all game?

Or maybe they just make those factions less one dimensional and capable of putting something between them and the enemy? Yeah, I know, crazy thought.

Spoletta wrote:
Or maybe they just make those factions less one dimensional and capable of putting something between them and the enemy? Yeah, I know, crazy thought.

Radical. Units in Tau that don't melt immediately if touched by a melee unit? Next you'll suggest giving Harlequins a second infantry unit.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Or maybe they just make those factions less one dimensional and capable of putting something between them and the enemy? Yeah, I know, crazy thought.

Radical. Units in Tau that don't melt immediately if touched by a melee unit? Next you'll suggest giving Harlequins a second infantry unit.

A second infantry unit that's 5 for $65 and comes out alongside the new primaris space battleship and primaris game table. And then GW will be like "we tried to make eldar good but no one bought the 5-guardsmen-sized-models-for-$65 kit. Eldar suck!"