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 MinMax wrote:
She isn't a special character. She's a named non-special character - in the same vein as "Nauseous Rotbone, the Plague Surgeon".

I don’t know that we have enough information to say one way or the other.

It could go either way, but I could easily see her being a special character, since SoB are a bit light on that.

Dunno, to me the fact that they keep focusing on telling her name and also the name of the relic itself - the Auto-Tapestry of Emperor's Judgment...doesn't sound like a name for a generic equipment. Actually, they also specify it's a very special relic, so definitely not a generic equipment.

So totally unique/named character, to me. Doesn't mean we won't have generic "Reliquants at Arms" that will be entirely a different miniature.

Sarouan wrote:
Dunno, to me the fact that they keep focusing on telling her name and also the name of the relic itself - the Auto-Tapestry of Emperor's Judgment...doesn't sound like a name for a generic equipment. Actually, they also specify it's a very special relic, so definitely not a generic equipment.

So totally unique/named character, to me. Doesn't mean we won't have generic "Reliquants at Arms" that will be entirely a different miniature.

Just like Lieutenant Tolmeron with the Sword of Sanguinius was unique character?

Though dunno, it would make sooo little effort to also have Junith as generic Canoness on grav pulpit version and they didn't for whatever reason, unlike AoS team that often makes stuff that I'd never guess they would (like Fox Spirit thing) into generic characters...

I really don't know that Sisters needed yet another buffing character. They even already had one carrying a banner, so it's not even new in its own specific niche.

GW sure does love a new $35+ a pop single model, though.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I really don't know that Sisters needed yet another buffing character. They even already had one carrying a banner, so it's not even new in its own specific niche.

Remember, we learnt a couple of pages back that replicating existing unit concepts/roles is fine because NEW MODELS!

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
That model will will save me $35.

Chuckled out loud at this.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don’t think anyone else has shared this pic so far. Frontal with the skid lid.

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it looks like the corner fleu de lis and the edging looks like relief, but the center portion of the banner still looks flat and smooth.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I really don't know that Sisters needed yet another buffing character. They even already had one carrying a banner, so it's not even new in its own specific niche.

GW sure does love a new $35+ a pop single model, though.

Only a fraction as much as they like selling a new $50 codex though. I think they got kinda out of hand with single character regular size models over $25, I think that should be the max and most should fall around $20.

If it's a generic character, fantastic! I'm sure it'll have rules that will help buff ranged characters (as the article seems to imply) even more than normal. You've got Cannoness for re-roll 1's to hit, Palatine for re-roll 1's to wound, the Imagifier for ignoring -1 AP, the Simulacrum for using an extra miracle dice, the Dialogus for manipulating that miracle dice, the Hospitaller for bringing back slain models, the Triumph of St Katherine for all of the myriad buffs that gives, Celestine for better invul saves...

Then you've got the Dogmata for probably leadership buffs and this character for... if I had to guess... shooting again when they die.

Then you stick them all into the Battle Sanctum and a single unit of Heavy Bolter Retributors or something and then wonder why your single unit costs 500 points for not a lot of effect!

If she's a named character, it looks like she'll be Order of Our Martyred Lady, which... we don't need another of. Hoping she's generic, because generic characters don't hem you into a single Order (coughpooradmechcough).

Really interested to see what else we might get. It seems there'll be even more Sisters revealed next week, which is pretty exciting. This wave is gunna be huge.

Definitely didn't need another model with some kind of standard (Imagifier, Zephyrim with pennant, Simulacrum-carriers, Triumph...). Though it's a pretty nice banner and a rather nice model overall; definitely prefer her to the Imagifier.

First new Sister I largely approve of, ignoring the fact that it has no reason to exist and the sprue would have been better spent on updating an Eldar character. (To clarify, I collect Sisters of Battle and don't own any Eldar bar a squad of Harlequins. Poor pointy-ears just deserve it a lot more.)

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

First new Sister I largely approve of, ignoring the fact that it has no reason to exist

All miniatures have no reason to exist.

Besides, this named sister is certainly one easy to paint without separating parts before gluing. It's nice for GW to think of us old school painters liking to paint a miniature in one piece.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Definitely didn't need another model with some kind of standard (Imagifier, Zephyrim with pennant, Simulacrum-carriers, Triumph...). Though it's a pretty nice banner and a rather nice model overall; definitely prefer her to the Imagifier.

First new Sister I largely approve of, ignoring the fact that it has no reason to exist and the sprue would have been better spent on updating an Eldar character. (To clarify, I collect Sisters of Battle and don't own any Eldar bar a squad of Harlequins. Poor pointy-ears just deserve it a lot more.)

Are we reaching the point of arguing that a Sister of Battle plastic model has no reason to exist because Craftworld Eldar are more of a priority?

wow

yukishiro1 wrote:
I really don't know that Sisters needed yet another buffing character. They even already had one carrying a banner, so it's not even new in its own specific niche.

GW sure does love a new $35+ a pop single model, though.

I honestly wish they'd stop. Its gotten kind of crazy for several factions. I'd much rather have 1-2 characters at most, and a bunch of units. Both on the table and buying; $50 or even $60 for 10 models is a stretch, but 1 infantry model for $35 is an automatic no.

Special characters are, as always, an 'obscenity added' NO.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Leave the backpack off and that is a fething Bretonian model...

I feel like they are going full flanderisation on the recent models, leaning into the french crusading knights aesthetic a little too much maybe.

We went from Bobs to full blown page boy squire awful quick.

I mean, it doesn't look much like a Bretonian model at all, but it looks JUST LIKE a Sisters model.

- She's wearing the same armor and robes as every other Sister. While the design has changed a little since the 2nd edition release, it hasn't changed that much, and she matches the standard design with no deviations at all.

- She's wearing the standard Sister's helmet, with the raised visor we've seen before.

- She's using standard Sister's style gear, including a sword and big ass banner. Sisters have been using both since 2nd edition.

- We've seen just 2 or 3 page boy style haircuts out of... dozens... of new sisters heads. most of which have featured the classic hair style. That hardly seems like a big deal.

So if the complaint is that Sisters kind of sort of draw inspiration from the same sources as Bretonians... you're 20ish years too late.

Honestly I like all of the new models really. My only nitpick is with the Palantine, and I know it's a little thing, but I think the way she is holding the rosary is a little off. I wish she was holding it by the closest end, and the rosette was at the furthest point; I think it would suggest motion better than it does now. I think it looks a tiny bit goofy as is. I will still buy it though, obviously, it's a great model despite the one small thing I don't like. I like halberds with shields just fine if they are wearing power armor.

Everything else I like just fine.

edit: Oops. I typed this all up and then I went back like 2 pages and just saw Aestred. Simple Jack indeed. I can't see anyone building that bare headed variant when she has a helmet option. I'd probably pass even if I loved it because I can't paint giant flags/banners like that no matter who is holding them, in any faction. I think they look cool, I just can't make them look good.

Good to know our Elite slot isn't under represented.

First post updated. This Sisters release just keeps getting bigger and bigger. And I am sure there is more to come. I really need to get my few remaining models painted to be ready for the next round of models.

Voss wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
I really don't know that Sisters needed yet another buffing character. They even already had one carrying a banner, so it's not even new in its own specific niche.

GW sure does love a new $35+ a pop single model, though.

I honestly wish they'd stop. Its gotten kind of crazy for several factions. I'd much rather have 1-2 characters at most, and a bunch of units. Both on the table and buying; $50 or even $60 for 10 models is a stretch, but 1 infantry model for $35 is an automatic no.

Special characters are, as always, an 'obscenity added' NO.

Pure upside for GW, though. Plastic is free so that's not really an issue, but making a mold for a single infantry character is way cheaper than making a mold for 10. 1/10th the work, that you can sell for 1/2 the price, maybe even 3/4s. As long as people keep buying...

 dracpanzer wrote:
Good to know our Elite slot isn't under represented.

Could be an HQ. Maybe one of those two’fers like lieutenants and crypteks.

 Galas wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Definitely didn't need another model with some kind of standard (Imagifier, Zephyrim with pennant, Simulacrum-carriers, Triumph...). Though it's a pretty nice banner and a rather nice model overall; definitely prefer her to the Imagifier.

First new Sister I largely approve of, ignoring the fact that it has no reason to exist and the sprue would have been better spent on updating an Eldar character. (To clarify, I collect Sisters of Battle and don't own any Eldar bar a squad of Harlequins. Poor pointy-ears just deserve it a lot more.)

Are we reaching the point of arguing that a Sister of Battle plastic model has no reason to exist because Craftworld Eldar are more of a priority?

wow

Sure, as far as I'm concerned at least. One of those has a beautiful and nearly completely plastic range (could do with updated versions of the remaining Ecclesiarchy models and maybe an additional Troops choice, definitely don't need a new tank, walker, elite melee unit or banner bearer), the other have models that nearly predate the birth of Slaanesh and are to a large extent horrible horrible resin. Is it weird to feel the latter could use some love more than the former? I know the Sisters languished for many years, but that's no longer the case. But to not only make new models, but to make new models of which some definitely don't even add much to the range from a visual, tactical or lore point of view, well, I consider that a waste of time and resources. Though again, I do like the banner. Kind of like the halberd. Wish to erase the memory of the Nundams from my mind completely though.

If the Eldar campaign is getting too repetitive, I'd like to add I'd also prefer to instead see more Tau auxiliary races for example. Lots of room for interesting things there that would actually broaden the universe. Would be refreshing after so much power armour.

Sure, as far as I'm concerned at least. One of those has a beautiful and nearly completely plastic range (could do with updated versions of the remaining Ecclesiarchy models and maybe an additional Troops choice, definitely don't need a new tank, walker, elite melee unit or banner bearer), the other have models that nearly predate the birth of Slaanesh and are to a large extent horrible horrible resin. Is it weird to feel the latter could use some love more than the former?

As someone whose first army is Craftworlds and would love to see updated I do not mind Sisters getting their time in the sun. Their line lagged horribly behind, getting no updates for a long time while even Craftworlds got some, and do not have the same range of options as Craftworlds do.

I get being miffed at Space Marines as they have an incredibly large and updated range, but aiming it at SoB I do not get.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Sure, as far as I'm concerned at least. One of those has a beautiful and nearly completely plastic range (could do with updated versions of the remaining Ecclesiarchy models and maybe an additional Troops choice, definitely don't need a new tank, walker, elite melee unit or banner bearer), the other have models that nearly predate the birth of Slaanesh and are to a large extent horrible horrible resin. Is it weird to feel the latter could use some love more than the former?

As someone whose first army is Craftworlds and would love to see updated I do not mind Sisters getting their time in the sun. Their line lagged horribly behind, getting no updates for a long time while even Craftworlds got some, and do not have the same range of options as Craftworlds do.

I get being miffed at Space Marines as they have an incredibly large and updated range, but aiming it at SoB I do not get.

It's only in part the fact that they're getting something, it's also very much about what (and when). A complete line revamp with two large release waves should surely be enough to keep everyone entertained for some time; adding more this soon doesn't feel that valuable (compared to some other things first, then an expansion another year or 2 from now - not least because it could also mean a longer gap now between these releases and any future ones). Admittedly, purely refreshing the line while not adding new units (well, aside from the dual-build ones and Order-specific named characters I guess) might still have felt stale for the Sororitas veterans, so adding another new unit or two isn't a bad thing - but several of the choices have been rather uninspired so far; it's like giving the Genestealer Cults yet another single-model choice. Of course, my opinion is certainly coloured by the fact that I don't care much about most of the new offerings, or their implications for the lore changes.

On a more positive note, the scope of the initial release and now a fairly substantial expansion to the range do feel like GW has learned some lesson about how severely unsupported ranges might in fact be popular if they got some nice modern models, which feel like a valuable lesson that might help Eldar, Imperial Guard and others in the long run. Maybe even lead to a more AoS/WHFB-style equilibrium in terms of attention paid to different factions rather than the long-running Marine-focus, but maybe that's a bit much to wish for.

I like it and I want one.

 jake wrote:
- She's wearing the same armor and robes as every other Sister. While the design has changed a little since the 2nd edition release, it hasn't changed that much, and she matches the standard design with no deviations at all.

You know what is really hilarious though? Dumb whining the robes copied Justicar, even though she is sixth Sister with the same robes, and three of them predate Justicar by a fair bit. Maybe complainers should actually look at range before opening mouth. Oh, and she is also tailor made response to "Dogmata can't raise her arms" idiocy

And fully agree with hair/face. New style is always appreciated, you want generic sister haircut, you can take one of the 50 standard heads. Whining about different head (on a basis of rushed paint job, no less) is insane IMO, reading some posts here you'd think she had ork head not completely normal female face...

Voss wrote:
I honestly wish they'd stop.

Completely and utterly wrong. New options and sculpts are ALWAYS good. You don't like price? You can convert her from bog standard sister and a SM banner (there are like 8 similar style ones you can grab on bitz sites for like 1$), there is literally NO situation where lack of choice is a good thing in any way.

Is it weird to feel the latter could use some love more than the former?

Yes. Beyond weird in fact, Sisters still lack models and the other have mostly good looking, complete army. And that is without considering new models will be yet another excuse for Phil Kelly and co to release beyond broken, 7th edition style nonsense OP rules. If that doesn't happen for the next 2 editions, it will be too soon still

definitely don't need a new tank, walker, elite melee unit or banner bearer

And this is doubly hilarious because if you subtract these things from Eldar range, they need zero new kits, especially seeing they already have them and Sisters have glaring holes in the range. You really can't spot 1 = 0 contradiction here?

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Definitely didn't need another model with some kind of standard (Imagifier, Zephyrim with pennant, Simulacrum-carriers, Triumph...). Though it's a pretty nice banner and a rather nice model overall; definitely prefer her to the Imagifier.

Can't say you're wrong, but on the other hand this is SoB! If anything they need MORE elaborate and ornamentative (is that a word?) models. I mean look at this thing, it only has one skull on top! And nothing is on fire!!!

 GaroRobe wrote:
But unlike Rotbone, she seems to actually have some lore attached with her.

Not to dispute the rest, but Rotbone does have lore attached to him, in both the 8th & 9th ed DG books.

Voss wrote:
I honestly wish they'd stop. Its gotten kind of crazy for several factions. I'd much rather have 1-2 characters at most, and a bunch of units. Both on the table and buying; $50 or even $60 for 10 models is a stretch, but 1 infantry model for $35 is an automatic no.

Special characters are, as always, an 'obscenity added' NO.

Honestly, I just wish they'd stop for Our Martyred Lady. I'd welcome 1-2 characters for the other 5 Orders Majoris, to bring them closer to parity and to give GW a lever they can use to boost orders with underwhelming but fluffy Convictions like Ebon Flame and Sacred Rose, in particular. As it stands now, OoOML is *worse* than Ultramarines character bloat because there are literally no named characters for the other 5 orders. The only reason anything other than OML gets played is because Bloody Rose and Valorous Heart have *really* nice conviction rules. Giving them a little more fluff via characters to build fanbases around individual orders would be really nice, IMO. The 8th ed codex at least gave us a nice bone in offering up 6 more canon color schemes.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Leave the backpack off and that is a fething Bretonian model...

I for one think that they should have let her keep her horse.

I am hoping she is a SC and a type of unit and I like the model alot, She does not appear to be Order restricted.

However I think its time other factions had their time in the sun now - we know orcs are getting some squig-loving (so to speak soon) so hoping for some non battlesuit Tau, Tau allies, Eldar Aspects (maybe some of the unseen ones)

The Codex does look likely now - ah well i have two copies of the last one and only got a few games due to COVID. Still first world problems....

Given that she's on a scenic base (not tactical rocks, but actual scenery), I'm still going with her being a named character.

We've had two named "non-named" sisters that have had fancier bases, but one was an anniversary model that's still available, and the other was a limited made to order model. Those had names, a la Rotbone, but weren't actually given any special rules.