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Taste, especially through the lens of nostalgia and history, is subjective by its very nature. People like what they like.

I don’t mind the new orcs, but am not so moved by them to spin them up into a full army. It will be fun to paint up the combat patrol as a diversion from my normal projects. Although splitting the box with someone is also an option. There are other side project potentials.

I liked the old 3rd edition Ork boyz but there's are a definite upgrade. I think they look spot on. I don't think you can really question Ork proportions considering the variations in the sculpts over the years.

To be fair don't have a problem with anything in the box. The space marine ancient standard bearer pose is weird, think that's my biggest gripe.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, some of the ork discourse is just bizarre. These are easily the best looking orks GW has ever made and have trivially the best proportions.

It is like with the minimarines, some people are so used to the distorted and weird proportions of the old models that when the proportions are fixed they see it as odd.

Here's the thing. I detest the new Boys models. Looking at this boxes set all I could think is what would I have to do to make these look more like the old boys models. Next to none of these new models would find a spot in any of my army lists with out them fitting in with what I already own. I was thinking I have a bunch of ard boys maybe I can pull all of that armour plating off of those and pile it onto these boys. I have no actual desire to do that so I would probably never even clip them off the sprue. The Warboss on the other hand would provide a larger bulkier body for a rebuild of my glorious Warboss. I can scrouge that up later if I decide to bother. If I can find a used one for around 20 bucks preferably less on Ebay... The war trakk is nice, it looks like it came from Dawn of War. To me anyway. So it's not a total loss, the war trakks and the Deff Koptas look solid but the rest, meh. Funny, the new Deff Koptas are what? pushing 10 years old now ? I can't remember.



I am more excited for the Space Marines. I just wish I could find Blood Angels Red, or was it Orange?, the OG color in the OG pots.
I've been painting my7 Primaris as close to that color as I could get and that's a lot of layering and color building. The urge to give up and just paint them as Black Templars is huge though.. Now that I think about it I haven't painted a model in like 3 years. Ooof.

The Red Terror comes to 40K...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fituxx6v/red-terror-rules-revealed-for-warhammer-40000/

SamusDrake wrote:
The Red Terror comes to 40K...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fituxx6v/red-terror-rules-revealed-for-warhammer-40000/

It’s just a little less then a trygon/mawlock. Not as tough, different suite of special rules. More killy then the mawloc, less then the trygon?

Not sure how I feel about it.

The ap-0 Maw essentially ruins it. He'll make a decent tunnel rat for the Subterranean Assault detatchment, but unless his points are crazy cheap, I'd rather have Hyperadapted Raveners.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
The ap-0 Maw essentially ruins it. He'll make a decent tunnel rat for the Subterranean Assault detatchment, but unless his points are crazy cheap, I'd rather have Hyperadapted Raveners.

The maw has dev wounds, and it;s got a special rules that as long as it’s eating something bite sizes all successfull wounds are crti wounds, do go to mortals. It’s going to bust a fang on tanks, but that’s OK.

Unless I’m reading the rules wrong…

Edit:
Speaking of reading rules, they talk about using precision to snipe out sergeants from units. Didn’t think you could do that to non-characters.

Well it is only 130 points.

Unless my mental maths is off, we have 7ish weeks to assumed release date so 3 faction focii a week minimum?

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Super happy with these Orks for sure. I've got a lot of rebasing ahead though...

What base sizes have changed?

Catching up on the thread but didn't see anyone answer this. The Boss Nob in the Boyz seems to be on a bigger base (which will probably extend to all Nobz eventually) and the Warboss appears to also be moved to the same sized base as a Beastboss.

Dudeface wrote:
Unless my mental maths is off, we have 7ish weeks to assumed release date so 3 faction focii a week minimum?

They have said it will be in our hands before June is over. Last Sat is the 27th, which would put a 2 week preorder on the 13th. Do we think they will want to have all the faction foci done before then?

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I like the new boyz alot. However I really hope they do a proper multi-part kit for them. Having lots of monopose duplicates will get old quick.

I'll be curious what kits they keep in stock. This one doesn't have the special weapon option that was on the old monopose kit and the Boss Nob doesn't have the power claw weapon option either. Honestly, my plan has always been to mix things around. I got the two sets of the original monopose Boyz and mixed in the old multipart. A couple of the new ones just gives me more pose variety if I pull models from all 3 to make units.

I am happy that the duplicates in this set feel less obvious than the old one. Some of the old monopose like the shirtless shoota guy are just so hyper specific that he stands out as a duplicate immediately, where these feel like you might be able to do 30 okay before its really obvious.

 Nevelon wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Unless my mental maths is off, we have 7ish weeks to assumed release date so 3 faction focii a week minimum?

They have said it will be in our hands before June is over. Last Sat is the 27th, which would put a 2 week preorder on the 13th. Do we think they will want to have all the faction foci done before then?

Pre-order May 30, release June 13, according to Valrak (who's been right on all the other 11th rumours since all the way back in November).

Maybe 2 faction previews a day? Or at least squishing Marine Chapters and Chaos Legions down into a day for all of them together.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, some of the ork discourse is just bizarre. These are easily the best looking orks GW has ever made and have trivially the best proportions.

It is like with the minimarines, some people are so used to the distorted and weird proportions of the old models that when the proportions are fixed they see it as odd.

Posts like this are like admitting you don't have a theory of mind.

Orks are fungus man space aliens, who's to say what proportions they should have? They don't have human anatomy.

 Nevelon wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
The ap-0 Maw essentially ruins it. He'll make a decent tunnel rat for the Subterranean Assault detatchment, but unless his points are crazy cheap, I'd rather have Hyperadapted Raveners.

The maw has dev wounds, and it;s got a special rules that as long as it’s eating something bite sizes all successfull wounds are crti wounds, do go to mortals. It’s going to bust a fang on tanks, but that’s OK.

Unless I’m reading the rules wrong…

Edit:
Speaking of reading rules, they talk about using precision to snipe out sergeants from units. Didn’t think you could do that to non-characters.

They stealth-edited the article to remove the bits about targetting Sergeants.

Ork FF up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ahlcjhn0/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-orks/

I like the Big Boss and the Bannerguy for my Snakebites.

I'd say the new Boyz look better than the monopose kit from 2018. The Orks with open jaws have too small teeth and much smaller ones' than the guys with closed mouths.
If the kit looks better than the 3rd edition orks I'll rate when I see them next to them. Also, if there's a followup Set that approaches the ability to kitbash and the variety of options of the 3rd edition kit I'll probably get one and would rate them higher than the classic Set, otherwise not.

The way those detachment rules are presented- each army having multiple detachments, each detachment carrying unique enhancements/rules/stratagems, each of those referencing external USRs- gives me the sense that this is going to be a tedious edition of endless cross-referencing and trap cards.

 catbarf wrote:
The way those detachment rules are presented- each army having multiple detachments, each detachment carrying unique enhancements/rules/stratagems, each of those referencing external USRs- gives me the sense that this is going to be a tedious edition of endless cross-referencing and trap cards.

I suspect there is going to be a lot of gotcha confusion moments where people forget which detachment a unit was part of, and what rules applied to it. Especially when the minis might be the same across the army.

Triple the mental load of remembering rules.

Hopefully it’s not too bad. Having flashbacks to formations.

Might need to paint some marines with alt colored shoulder trim to keep them distinct.

It will REALLY depend on how big the detachments be and how armies are organized within them. It definitely has potential to be really interesting and potential to be a bloated mess.

Also I think the App is going to be expected to do a LOT of the heavy lifting.

 Nevelon wrote:

I suspect there is going to be a lot of gotcha confusion moments where people forget which detachment a unit was part of, and what rules applied to it.

Is that how it works? I assumed that with two part detachments the both halves apply to all units...

 Crimson wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

I suspect there is going to be a lot of gotcha confusion moments where people forget which detachment a unit was part of, and what rules applied to it.

Is that how it works? I assumed that with two part detachments the both halves apply to all units...

We’ll find out more later?

I could have swore they mentioned something about certain units in the detachment getting keywords. Not sure if that was army wide or detachment specific. I really want a detailed article on how detachments are going to function.

 Crimson wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

I suspect there is going to be a lot of gotcha confusion moments where people forget which detachment a unit was part of, and what rules applied to it.

Is that how it works? I assumed that with two part detachments the both halves apply to all units...

We don't know yet.

 Crimson wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

I suspect there is going to be a lot of gotcha confusion moments where people forget which detachment a unit was part of, and what rules applied to it.

Is that how it works? I assumed that with two part detachments the both halves apply to all units...

Yeah that's correct.

The Detachments will then give rules that will apply to your whole army, though certain Detachments and rules may only affect certain units within it.

It all just works based on keywords, there's no FoC-equivalent system where certain units 'belong' to each detachment.

 catbarf wrote:
The way those detachment rules are presented- each army having multiple detachments, each detachment carrying unique enhancements/rules/stratagems, each of those referencing external USRs- gives me the sense that this is going to be a tedious edition of endless cross-referencing and trap cards.

I suspect that not all detachments will be 4 enhancements and 6 strats like now, but will build up to that depending on cost. I'd be surprised if we went back to the age of 12 relics and 18+ strats over the 'one page' army rules.

[edit] They pretty much confirmed this in the video, "Rolling Death" detachment is getting three strats.

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Basically what Snord said. I was excited by new Orks in a starter set, right up until I saw the models. Credit where it’s due, the Wartrakk is excellent and the weirdboy, nobs and warboss are ok.
The boyz are dreadful - lumpen and awkwardly posed. Even heads swaps may not save them. The banner nob is also terrible with wonky proportions - he looks stupidly wide, not muscular and threatening. The pain boy is unusable, the musculature on his torso makes no sense.
I’ve been trying to like them as I’ve always loved orks, but these are a mess. Personal opinion of course, but it seems like such a wasted opportunity. Maybe they should have got the AOS team to design them.

Thank you for putting my feelings into words. Something is very off. The banner nob stands out as the exemplar of this effect, his body is enormously wide while his head and arms don't keep up.

The hunchback nature of their head placement definitely makes the torsos large. Making the body clamshell with the arms being a single piece limits how thick the arms can be and probably makes them a little smaller than they'd be in resin or something. I think its more of an issue with the characters whose larger size is easier to scale in the torso while the arms still have practical size limitations in HIPS.

Anyone know if the new rules will be in a separate rule book right away, or will I need to wrestle the paperback copy of the rules from the folks that bought the box sets?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Anyone know if the new rules will be in a separate rule book right away, or will I need to wrestle the paperback copy of the rules from the folks that bought the box sets?

Hopefully the former. If noot, there's a chance those who manage to get it may be forced to wait a little bit till the retail version drops.

There was a one month gap between Leviathan and the separate 10th edition book.

Shouldn't be hard to find people splitting up boxes. The book and the Dominatus deck are really the only things I need out of the box.

In the meantime, scans of the rulebook could leak on Reddit or 40K Discords any day from here out.

 Asmodai wrote:
There was a one month gap between Leviathan and the separate 10th edition book.

Shouldn't be hard to find people splitting up boxes. The book and the Dominatus deck are really the only things I need out of the box.

In the meantime, scans of the rulebook could leak on Reddit or 40K Discords any day from here out.

There's that, but I was also talking about the Orks army box fiasco(and how the few that got it couldnt legally use the rules yet).