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I like everything about the Boyz, except the heads. Fortunately, there's no shortage of old style Nelson ork heads around. Great character models and Gretchin, lovely wartrakk, walker thingy seems like fine conversion fodder.

Marines are... fine? The Bolters are slowly morphing back into the proper shape, so that's nice. I like the new Speeder. It's not perfect, but it's probably the cleanest Primaris vehicle to date. The MM and AC need to swap places though. Characters are okay, although the Captain not having a power fist is a big miss.

I'll probably look to ebay for some Orks and the Speeder.

Having slept on it (metaphorically. I’m middle aged. I need a mattress, not a chunky hard cardboard box) I may pick this up after all.

I’ve got the Beastsnagga’s army box kicking about somewhere, so if I add that to the Orks here, I’ll have enough for a reasonable display collection.

Lorebook I’d keep. Marines and Rules and Cards? Probably bundle up and sell on to someone looking to play.

All depends on overall price.

 Matrindur wrote:

In the end I expect around 215€ to 225€ for Armageddon.

Given the muted reactions to this box online I'm starting to wonder if it'll be like Saturnine & Skaventide, and we'll end up seeing them heavily discounted by retailers just to clear space.

GW will have made so many of these and I have a feeling they're not going to fly off shelves as quick as previous years.

It’s almost the opposite, content wise, from Saturnine.

Saturnine included quite a few entirely new units and weapons. But under the rules, you can only pack so many into an army. For those of us with extensive collections already, the savings arguably weren’t there. After all, if you buy a unit at a discount but never field it? Did you get a bargain?

Here? There’s arguably only three new units. Vanguard Primaris, Waaagh Walker and Big Boss. Four…forgot the HB Eradicators.

Anyone who’s anyone that already plays Orks or Marines is already very likely well served for the other units, with possible exception of Jump Pack Chaplain.

So whilst I’m liking the actual sculpts? It doesn’t seem to have the same wow factor as Leviathan, which packed in loads of entirely new Tyranid Gribblies and Marine units, including an excellent glow up of Terminators. Which would of course drive sales as people want their extensive new toys at a cheaper than normal price.

So…is it a bad boxed set? No, I don’t consider it so. But I think it somewhat lacks the appeal of its immediate predecessor.

I do note they said each half is a Combat Patrol’s worth of models though. Which whilst I don’t recall it being addressed either way on stream, may point to this not being a FOMO Launch Box, but something intended as the Edition Long entry point?

Happy to be corrected on all these points, but especially the last one as I tuned out once the shiny new had been shown off.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I do note they said each half is a Combat Patrol’s worth of models though. Which whilst I don’t recall it being addressed either way on stream, may point to this not being a FOMO Launch Box, but something intended as the Edition Long entry point?

Happy to be corrected on all these points, but especially the last one as I tuned out once the shiny new had been shown off.

They said on stream each half is a bit larger than a combat patrol, and mentioned that the Orks were around 700-800pts total.

My expectation is that the long term starter set will be the marine half minus extra characters & vets (who seem to share a sprue), versus the ork half minus their extra characters & dakkarig. That should neatly make two combat patrol forces.

 xttz wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I do note they said each half is a Combat Patrol’s worth of models though. Which whilst I don’t recall it being addressed either way on stream, may point to this not being a FOMO Launch Box, but something intended as the Edition Long entry point?

Happy to be corrected on all these points, but especially the last one as I tuned out once the shiny new had been shown off.

They said on stream each half is a bit larger than a combat patrol, and mentioned that the Orks were around 700-800pts total.

My expectation is that the long term starter set will be the marine half minus extra characters & vets (who seem to share a sprue), versus the ork half minus their extra characters & dakkarig. That should neatly make two combat patrol forces.

They said that, so it's more than 2 CPs in this box. Im expecting a really scary price here.
I will get the marines half from someone splitting, but unlike leviathan where I liked both factions I will not commit to the full box.
I like the small books split though as opposed to a big huge one.
I think these will sell well but probably loads of stock too.

Pilot Pirx wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Ohman wrote:
I really can't wrap my head around the assembly of the boyz and grots. Some look almost identical except the feet?

You get effectively 2x of the sprue containing 1 Nob, 9 Boyz and 5 Gretchin. They look like the back and legs are mostly one piece with the front attaching on. Some of those fronts are interchangeable and some include arms as part of the bit. Heads seem to be separate. The result is 30 models made up of 15 models duplicated, but with enough swappable details that they pass as fairly unique looking until you start looking for the parts that repeat.

Most of the leg (not that Orks have much leg to begin with) seems to be on the front, as do all of the arms/weapons. The dorsal halves have some details that peek out into the front silhouette, such as Squigs and ammo pouches. As you say, only some swaps will work -- for example, the cosmetic equipment piece on the back seems to include the back half of the shoulder plate, meaning that some of those back cosmetic pieces will only pair with the front pieces that also have half of a shoulder plate.

The Blackstone Fortress Beastmen are indeed a good comparison, as are the original Deathwatch Overkill Cultists iirc. Something like this is how I imagine it broken up.

Spoiler:

Looks about right, but I think the joint is beneath the belt and not above the boots.

Looking at the builds of the Ork Boyz again, it seems there are two Nob heads and only nine Boyz heads. I'm fairly certain they said on the stream that there were loads of heads, only one per body is a bit lackluster.
The Boy they gave away at Adepticon did have two head options, but that sculpt isn't present in the box. Guess it might return as a mini of the month at some point.
I like the way they look, but I'm starting to (naively) hope that there is a more expansive kit later on. Special weapons also seem to be gone.

Not getting the entire thing either, the marine sculpts are too vanilla for me to buy the pushfit version. I might get the chaplain off ebay as conversion fodder for the right price, vanguard vets once we get the multipart kit.

Orks are decent, except for that walker thing, but nothing that would tempt me into collecting another faction. I have ghaz as a standalone and with dear sebastian joining him in a couple of weeks, that's good enough for me.

The contents are nice for what they're going for, but I think Marine players were most interested in seeing a Primaris update of the aging tactical and devastator kits - providing the old helmets as options.

At the end of the day its a long, drawn out preview for what boils down to "split with an Ork player" while stocks last. I think it would be a rare customer who collects both Marines and Orks and willing to pay out the £200 or whatever.

Hopefully they'll move on to other games now...

Sprues are:

Captain and Warboss (two halfs)

Intercessors (double frame)
Librarian and Vanguard vets (double frame)
Landspeeder (double frame)*
Ancient, Jump chaplain and Eradicators (triple frame)**


Big Boss, Banna Nob, Painboy (regular frame)**
Wierdboy (single half sized character frame)
Wartrack (triple frame)*
2x Orks and grots (big frame)
Dakkarig (Big frame)

*Not in the smallest set
**Not part of the combat patrol or smaller sets

Would be my guess, assuming they still have several starter editions.

I am hoping there's enough Mk7 style helmets for everyone; the models have a mix of the old Mk7 style and the Primaris style. Being push-fit I'd bet you will have to mix them. I've been hearing the price USD will be close to $300.

Anyone care to speculate what other kits Orks will be getting come their Codex?

I’d hope for alternative Big Bosses, and a Wartrakk with weapon options. And I’d absolutely love for Runtbotz and Tinboyz to get revisited.

Hmm, I just don't know about these Orks. It's nothing new of course. GW has been changing the Ork look since 'snaggas. But seeing all these new Orks in one post and getting quite turned off by their looks kind of bums me out. The Wartrakk is nice. That's the actual vehicle, mind. But the rest?

I was never likely to buy the starter set, so it's no big deal in that regard. But this is what Orks look like going forward, and that look just doesn't appeal to me anymore. Real shame. I had a lot of fun with Orks in the past.

I think orks finally look good. They look weird and kinda funny, but they look like actual creatures that would exist in a same world with humans rather than cartoon caricatures.

For those making comparisons to Saturnine, keep in mind that this box has a lot more character models, and character models always come with a drastic markup.

Regarding the Orks, these Boyz still don't beat the early 2000s kit. They were perfection.

I personally think this is a really cool set, but I am a very broke boi, so I will not be able to buy this. I'm currently barely scraping enough money together to buy more paint

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Anyone care to speculate what other kits Orks will be getting come their Codex?

I’d hope for alternative Big Bosses, and a Wartrakk with weapon options. And I’d absolutely love for Runtbotz and Tinboyz to get revisited.

I don't expect any weapon options for the Wartrakk; both Tyranids and Necrons did not get alternative (non-push-fit) kits for the stuff in Indomitus/Leviathan, with the exception of an extra sprue for the Termagants. As for alternative Big Bosses, Tyranids had to wait years for an alternative Prime, so I fear the same treatment here.

Aside from what's in the box, I'd expect most of the following:
- Lootas and burnas; they were just pulled from sale, maybe split into two kits
- Nobz; seems like a given
- Stormboyz; showed up in some rumours and would be the last of the older infantry kits aside from Meganobz (I think there were Kill Team rumours for them?) and Flash Gitz (fairly recent, elite unit, I don't expect a refresh for them)
- Battlewagon (according to Valrak, I would miss the current one though) as a centrepiece release like the Monolith

Some stuff I'm hoping for:
- Skorcha; if they're bringing back the Wartrakk, then a Skorcha would be great as well.
- Plastic Grot Tanks would be lovely.
- Kaptin Badrukk and Boss Zagstruk to return in plastic
- Generic Freebooter Kaptin' (if we're not getting Badrukk)
- Squig herd

@Mad Doc Grotsnik There was a 'meme' for a couple of Olympics that the Brits excelled at sports where we could 'sit down' ...maybe that's what they are channeling.


I wonder if this is going to be Saturine cost. Plastic aside, Saturine had a hard back rulebook and templates. That might equate to small rule book and two card decks.

I love the Classic Brian Nelson orc sculpts but these... actually surpass those for me. They exude menace and big stompiness with the Grots supplying the murderous cute vibe. A couple of the heads e.g. the Banner Nob don't quite land for me but I'll swap or convert those. I never liked the bizarre 'sway back' look for Orks.

I play Nids and currently play neither Orks nor Marines but this set excites me more than Leviathan did.

Leviathan was a very mixed bag for me. Some nice updates to Nids were offset by literal sprue filler and 'memberberries' broods that could have been something I wanted* It would have been a great place to put in Winged Warriors, for example. I liked the new stuff overall but the stuff like NeuroGaunts (the sprue filler) and Von Ryan's Leapers did nothing for me. The marines. I can see that Marine players wanted upscaled Terminators but other than that...extra vanilla.

So, while it was great to get a huge, impressive Screamer Killer and finally an update to those old Termangant sculpts...I think these Orks just blow me away even more. The heaviness, the brutality of them. Their faces are excellent compared to the bizzare back and forth with Ork faces during tenth edition.

I am saving up to to get one of these. I might not ever play the Orks but they just look so much fun to build and paint. It feels like 40k catching up with the character we see in AOS models as well as the technical sculpting of them.

And I've finally given in and decided to at least have a secondary army of loyalist marine army to paint up since GW just seem to be throwing them at us. Not because the poor Vanilla-in-the-negative-sense of the word blow me away. They are very functional. They do what they need to which is to be easy to paint for new players (whether to 40k or Marines)





*I try to remind myself that Launch, CP and Army boxes aren't necessarily aimed at veteran collectors like me.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that the stand-alone Land Speeder kit has some more weapons options.

We got the leaked 'separate release' version of the Warboss who seems to be a slightly different pose to the one in the box (unless I've had too much Guiness)...

I'm wondering if we will see slightly different monopose releases for some models, with others getting full on multipart kits.

Refresher. Pretty different.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So…is it a bad boxed set? No, I don’t consider it so. But I think it somewhat lacks the appeal of its immediate predecessor.

I think part of the lack of hype is that (at the danger of getting lots of bricks from the forum's many Ork players) - Orks weren't really a faction crying out for a redesign/
re-release?

By contrast Deathguard were completely new. (Without wanting to get into arguments about 3.5 edition or whatever.)
Necrons hadn't had much/anything for... 9-10 years at the end of 5th?
Tyranids hadn't had anything in nearly 10 years either. (And that was a weird hodgepodge released over 5th/6th/7th).

I know everyone hated the "new boyz" - but Orks got a big release in 9th edition (which - to be fair - is 5 years ago rather than yesterday). They got Ghaz and the buggies in 8th edition. In 10th you had the Wrecka Krew box in Kill Team.

GW is obviously targeting new players - but if you are longstanding in the hobby, and all the above hadn't tempted you to go Orks, I'm not sure this induces the same feeling.

In a strange way I'd compare it to how Orks were in 7th edition - where they were really difficult to start (and they sucked, which was another issue). I think there was a period for instance where you couldn't buy a warboss - in shops anyway. I think there was a box with a named character with 5 nobs maybe, but a lot of places didn't stock it. Many characters were finecast so they didn't exist for the same reason.
That's really not the case these days.

That’s a fair summation.

Certainly if I was definitely inclined to get the display Orky army I mentioned earlier? This box is a must have. Bunch of sweet models, and the stuff I won’t use sold on.

But yeah. There’s just not the Must Have angle previous big boxes have enjoyed over the past three or four.

I’m sure it’ll sell well. Just doesn’t have the established gamer/hobbyist appeal of preceding sets.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Refresher. Pretty different.

That Gretchen...

I like the new boyz alot. However I really hope they do a proper multi-part kit for them. Having lots of monopose duplicates will get old quick.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I like the new boyz alot. However I really hope they do a proper multi-part kit for them. Having lots of monopose duplicates will get old quick.

I agree with that, it's the same issue I have with 3D printing Miniatures ( heresy, I know, I know ), where most people don't make them modular, and the people who do want to charge you the same price as kits without build instructions on their guys, and they aren't the best quality.javascript:emoticon(''); I need to learn how to use Bender

I've gone from strongly considering getting this box to being more on the fence.

I don't collect Orks currently but not opposed to having some.

The Ork half of the box is really good, especially from my point of view where I dont have any but likely wouldnt be starting those models for a good while.

I do have SM, and aside from Intercessors, dont have any of those models or equivalents. But the SM half just isnt appealing to me as much.

I think it will mostly come down to the price at the end of the day. I've seen rumours ranging from £165-200 and if its at the higher end of that scale it may make the decision for me.

Looking back.... Yeah. Malifaux, Battletech and Legion are infinitely cheaper in the States. I really don't see anyone other than Astartes and Orks dropping around $300 for early access into 11th.

If I ran a game shop and a newcomer wanted to buy Armageddon, I'd rather talk them into the Kill Team starter instead...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Refresher. Pretty different.

I wonder how much larger this is than the old3rd edition metal Warboss.

A decent bit, by the looks of it.

https://minicompare.info/?warboss-big-choppa-big-shoota=&warboss-2026-b-choppa-shoota=