One of the most horrific saves ever?

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**Valkyrie**

Just something I was pondering: if you had Fateweaver who happened to be allied with Blood Angels during a match, and he was within 6" of some Termies with a Sang. Priest, how horrific would a 2+ re-rollable save with 4+ FnP bonus be? A 1/72 chance of failing an armour save absolutely stuns me. What does Dakka think about this?

**The Dreadnote**

Two words: Vortex Missile.

**Connor McKane**

Psycannon or psycannon bolts. Ignores Invulnerable saves.

**Valkyrie**

2+ armour save, not Invulnerable

**Connor McKane**

AP1 or AP2 weapon. No Save no Re-Roll on Feel No Pain.

**Valkyrie**

TH/SS Termies? 3++ Invulnerable with re-rolls? One way to make them even more obscenely horrible.

**purplefood**

Jaws of the World Wolf.
It might not be able to kill Meq that well but take 4 Rune Priests and you have yourself a party.

**Jaon**

How far can fateweaver cast this rerollable spell? And does it allow reroll FNP?

**MechaEmperor7000**

Fateweaver's Reroll ability is a passive buff that just gets applied to whomever is within the 6" range, like the Deathwing Standard. It's what makes a fatecrusher army so awesome.

Also, consider a Dark Eldar Lord with Shadow Field and three pain tokens under Fateweaver's effect.

**Vaktathi**

Valkyrie wrote:Just something I was pondering: if you had Fateweaver who happened to be allied with Blood Angels during a match, and he was within 6" of some Termies with a Sang. Priest, how horrific would a 2+ re-rollable save with 4+ FnP bonus be? A 1/72 chance of failing an armour save absolutely stuns me. What does Dakka think about this?

That's why you just shoot the piss out of Fateweaver instead of the termi's for a turn. Or just hit the termi's with Demolisher cannons or plasma weapons and not worry about it.

**Dashofpepper**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fateweaver's Reroll ability is a passive buff that just gets applied to whomever is within the 6" range, like the Deathwing Standard. It's what makes a fatecrusher army so awesome.

Also, consider a Dark Eldar Lord with Shadow Field and three pain tokens under Fateweaver's effect.

Although keep in mind that the new 40k FAQ says that benefits like that do not get shared between armies, even when allied.

**Happygrunt**

Dashofpepper wrote:
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fateweaver's Reroll ability is a passive buff that just gets applied to whomever is within the 6" range, like the Deathwing Standard. It's what makes a fatecrusher army so awesome.

Also, consider a Dark Eldar Lord with Shadow Field and three pain tokens under Fateweaver's effect.

Although keep in mind that the new 40k FAQ says that benefits like that do not get shared between armies, even when allied.

He got to it before me. The bonus dose not transfer over. For this exact reason.

**Mukkin'About**

LoL you may have inadvertently cheated by not knowing the rules. shame on you

**chaos0xomega**

In an apoc game, most people ignore the sharing rule.

**Happygrunt**

chaos0xomega wrote:In an apoc game, most people ignore the sharing rule.

Then they are also cheating, and I will call them out on it. Guardsman cant hear the voice of Sanguinius.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

Dashofpepper wrote:
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fateweaver's Reroll ability is a passive buff that just gets applied to whomever is within the 6" range, like the Deathwing Standard. It's what makes a fatecrusher army so awesome.

Also, consider a Dark Eldar Lord with Shadow Field and three pain tokens under Fateweaver's effect.

Although keep in mind that the new 40k FAQ says that benefits like that do not get shared between armies, even when allied.

Thats actually not quite right Dash it's a recomendation that they do not count, however they are generaly defined as friend or foe or similar

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1490286a_FAQ_40Krulebook_version1_1.pdf

think its the last page right side

**timetowaste85**

Solve it by the laws of fluff-would sanguine priests/ BA terminators hang out with Fateweaver? No. Dark Eldar? Nope, even though both armies are "evil," Eldar of all kinds hate Chaos (I believe, even if it's mostly a hatred of Slaanesh). Now, I do feel that Chaos Space Marines should at least benefit from his rule, the FAQ be damned. I haven't read it, so in my circle of friends...unless somebody else has, it doesn't exist

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

they're a rogue new to chaos Blood angel Company tada its fluffy and so soft!

**Monster Rain**

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fateweaver's Reroll ability is a passive buff that just gets applied to whomever is within the 6" range, like the Deathwing Standard. It's what makes a fatecrusher army so awesome.

Also, consider a Dark Eldar Lord with Shadow Field and three pain tokens under Fateweaver's effect.

Although keep in mind that the new 40k FAQ says that benefits like that do not get shared between armies, even when allied.

Thats actually not quite right Dash it's a recomendation that they do not count, however they are generaly defined as friend or foe or similar

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1490286a_FAQ_40Krulebook_version1_1.pdf

think its the last page right side

That's been the rule for quite some time, and only refers to your opponent's wargear.

I'm not sure what bearing it has on allies.

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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:they're a rogue new to chaos Blood angel Company tada its fluffy and so soft!

Gotta love fluff!

**Happygrunt**

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:they're a rogue new to chaos Blood angel Company tada its fluffy and so soft!

I have no idea what you just said, but Traitors have turned their backs on the primarch, so they cant hear the voice.

**Monster Rain**

Happygrunt wrote:
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:they're a rogue new to chaos Blood angel Company tada its fluffy and so soft!

I have no idea what you just said, but Traitors have turned their backs on the primarch, so they cant hear the voice.

But in my fluff it wouldn't be the voice of sanguinius granting the ability, it would be the Chaos Thing of Ultimate Badness.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

pics or it didn't happen

the faq is loose on this at best. It even said its a recomendation. However in an A vs B apoc game side A are allies where B is the opposition, so I would have to say in that case they would stack unless they were specific to say only SM can gain X or only Daemons within 12" can gain Y

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yes Monster Rain, that's what I'm talking about

**Monster Rain**

40kFaq wrote:Q: Am I able to gain the benefits of any of my opponent’s
wargear or special rules, such as Teleport Homers, Chaos
Icons, Tyranid Synapse, Necron Resurrection Orbs etc?
A: In most occasions this is clear, as the rules use the
words ‘friendly’ or ‘own’ to indicate your units, and ‘enemy’
for the opponent’s. On the other hand, some rules clearly
specify that they affect ‘friend and foe’. A few rules are,
however, slightly ambiguous as they don’t clearly specify
this distinction. As a general principle, we recommend that
you cannot use or gain the benefits from any of the
wargear or special rules of your opponent’s army, unless
specifically stated in the rule itself (‘friend or foe’) or in an
official FAQ.

Since it's free on the internet and sourced, I don't see why this should be a problem.

Gentlemen... behold!

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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:yes Monster Rain, that's what I'm talking about

I was agreeing with you!

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

it was meant as a good, Yes that's what I'm talkin bout lol it doesnt read as well as it sounds in my head ...