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Are the two extra dark lances on the side turret mounted and have a 360 arc of fire?

Or are they 45 degrees Aka hull mounted?

They fire in whatever arc you can move them in. They are effectively sponsons.

The new GW FAQ for the main rulebook says that unless instructed otherwise, presume all weapons are pintle mounted and have a 360 arc of fire, even if they are glued in place. Granted, you can't fire through your own vehicle, so certain blindspots can't be fired at. Everything else is fair game.

Of course, because of the GW FAQ, and how the weapons mounted below the railing, that 360 degree arc of fire is reduced to the same firing arc as a sponson, unless you're in some crazy shot at a third floor window or something.

I haven't seen the one ones. But my ravagers have guns actually mounted on a pintle mount stand. That came with the gun for it to be mounted on.

Ravager sponson weapons, as you asked, are 360 degree firing arc.

Persoanlly, you're going to have some trouble maintaining that 360 arc due to blind spots. See solkans response.

Weapons can fire anywhere you could physically point them. GW's largely stopped assigning fire arcs in 5th edition.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Weapons can fire anywhere you could physically point them. GW's largely stopped assigning fire arcs in 5th edition.

Agreed, despite the fact that the 5th edition rulebook says that each vehicle will have its weapon mounting specified in their codex entry.


I'm very curious to know if those new Ravager Sponsons even physically pivot 'into' the body of the vehicle or not?

Dashofpepper wrote:The new GW FAQ for the main rulebook says that unless instructed otherwise, presume all weapons are pintle mounted and have a 360 arc of fire, even if they are glued in place. Granted, you can't fire through your own vehicle, so certain blindspots can't be fired at. Everything else is fair game.

Yeah, that's not what it says. It says the same thing the rulebook says, if you can point a weapon in a direction, it can fire in that direction.

Q: The rules for the arc of fire of pintle-mounted (or bolton)
weapons address those mounted on turrets and those
mounted directly on the hull. But what about those
mounted on smaller structures (like a Rhino’s cupola) that
look like they can rotate 360º, even though they aren’t
proper turrets? (p59)
A: Remember that the rule is: if it looks like you can point
the gun at it, then you can, even if it’s glued in place’. The
rest is just a set of guidelines about the arcs of fire of
weapons glued in place, and does not cover all possible
weapons mounting and vehicles. If the structure the gun is
pintle-mounted on is obviously capable of rotating 360º,
like in the case of a Rhino’s cupola, then it should be
treated as having a 360º arc of fire. However, if you mount
the same storm bolter on a Razorback, even though it still
can rotate 360º, it won’t obviously be able to fire through
the Razorback’s main turret, and so it will have a ‘blind
spot’. In the same way, the shuriken catapult mounted
under the hull of a Wave Serpent, Falcon, etc. looks like it
can rotate 360º, but it does not look like it can be fired
through the main hull right behind it, so we normally play
that it can be fired roughly in the 180º to the vehicle’s front,
which seems like an acceptable compromise.

And for those who have modeled their dark lances/disintigrators in poles that allow the weapon to swivel 360 degrees?

My ravager (new model) is made as per the instructions. The weapon barrels on the DL are too long to go inside the body of the vehicle. I would say the firing arch is roughly 220 degrees.

Fr0 wrote:And for those who have modeled their dark lances/disintigrators in poles that allow the weapon to swivel 360 degrees?

I really wish someone wouldn't make this tired joke every single time a LOS question comes up.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Fr0 wrote:And for those who have modeled their dark lances/disintigrators in poles that allow the weapon to swivel 360 degrees?

I really wish someone wouldn't make this tired joke every single time a LOS question comes up.

First time I've read/heard it, and it's not a joke it's a fact. lol!

Seems like the front firing one should be a standard 45 degree angle, though I'm sure people will argue differently. The sides are essentially sponsons. I hate the new rule on this. I'm sure people will argue that the Ravager can fire through itself...hell it happened to me the other day...

well i have the old ravagers, and i mounted the guns on magnets so i could swap DL/DIS as i wanted.

and for the most part i can get all 3 to get a TLOS more then 270 degrees for all 3 guns.


or... how about you just pay attention when you put the model down after moving it???

JGrand wrote:Seems like the front firing one should be a standard 45 degree angle, though I'm sure people will argue differently. The sides are essentially sponsons. I hate the new rule on this. I'm sure people will argue that the Ravager can fire through itself...hell it happened to me the other day...

The front firing one can pivot a full 180 degrees on the new ravager kit. The sides can do a little bit more than the ~200 degrees on a predator's sponsons. Its really easy to tell actually, if you follow the directions and don't glue the weapon mounts in place.

If you have the model and have then weapon not glued in place so they can pivot, they are all pretty easy to determine if they can turn a certain direction - the hull gets in the way of them shooting through the body of the ravager. None of them can pivot a full 360.

Its nice that GW takes the time to clarify these issues.

The front firing one can pivot a full 180 degrees on the new ravager kit. The sides can do a little bit more than the ~200 degrees on a predator's sponsons. Its really easy to tell actually, if you follow the directions and don't glue the weapon mounts in place.

If you have the model and have then weapon not glued in place so they can pivot, they are all pretty easy to determine if they can turn a certain direction - the hull gets in the way of them shooting through the body of the ravager. None of them can pivot a full 360.

I agree that it SHOULD be easy, but people will always try to argue an advantage.

Basically, I don't see why they would stop giving the guidelines of what type of gun it was (sponson, hull mounted). Just seems like opening the door to WAAC nonsense.

Obviously they shouldn't be able to shoot a "full 360", because you can't shoot through your own hull.

But still - they're guys who have "swivel turrets" - they should be able to turn the gun and shoot.

Obviously they shouldn't be able to shoot a "full 360", because you can't shoot through your own hull.

Funny how quickly things have changed from your Wednesday in game stance

Ravager Weaponry are 360 degree mounted weapons.

Don't confuse "being a 360 degree weapon" with "being able to fire in all 360 degrees." The Ravager Weaponry cannot fire through its own body.

JGrand wrote:Seems like the front firing one should be a standard 45 degree angle, though I'm sure people will argue differently. The sides are essentially sponsons. I hate the new rule on this. I'm sure people will argue that the Ravager can fire through itself...hell it happened to me the other day...

45 degrees is only for weapons described as hull mounted. These are generally weapons with little or no ability to pivot. The front gun on a ravager is definitely not one of these.

The weapons all point where they can point. If you have the old models then the arcs will be a little different to the new models just as the side and pintle weapons on the landraider have different arcs depending on where you install them.

Its kinda like the weapon has cut outs of a pie ... it has fireing arcs that will let it fire the weapon, and the cut outs disengage the weapons....( we had them on our turrets in the navy.... we had 360 freedom) but we couldnt fire at the superstructure of the ship, due too cut outs( but cleaver gunnermate as we were we fixed that problem)

BuFFo wrote:Ravager Weaponry are 360 degree mounted weapons.

Don't confuse "being a 360 degree weapon" with "being able to fire in all 360 degrees." The Ravager Weaponry cannot fire through its own body.

I don't think they are "360 degree mounted weapons" in any sense. I think Dracos is correct- the front one appears to have about a 180 degree traverse, and the side ones a bit over 200, maybe 220 degrees.

Mannahnin wrote:

BuFFo wrote:Ravager Weaponry are 360 degree mounted weapons.

Don't confuse "being a 360 degree weapon" with "being able to fire in all 360 degrees." The Ravager Weaponry cannot fire through its own body.

I don't think they are "360 degree mounted weapons" in any sense. I think Dracos is correct- the front one appears to have about a 180 degree traverse, and the side ones a bit over 200, maybe 220 degrees.

Yeah, looking at my Ravager much more closely, Dracos is correct. The Front gun is held by a 180 Degree arc and the side pods are much more flexible.

My old ravagers have 360 weapons, as they were mounted that way. Not true on the new one anymore... Still trying to get the old de codex cobwebs out of my head!

Been there, man! We're all still learning.

@grand
You know what I mean.

It "can" fire at 360, but LOS issues always apply.

It's like, a space jet fighterboat with cargo space right? Can't you just turn it on it's side? How far vertical can the guns pivot?

There are no rules allowing you to turn it on its side. This is the rules forum, so I'd suggest limiting your posts here to actual rules. Perhaps you would benefit from a review of the Tenets of this forum

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