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With IG, BA, and DA all receiving awesome new vehicles, such as the valkrie. I was wondering whether the rumored new codex's coming out (Tau, GK ect) if these armies would be receiving new large scale flying vehicles. What are all your thoughts of whether this would happen, and what they might be?

They'll probably include the rules but lack models for them, a la storm raven. It'll also probably be a newly made vehicle that no one has heard of before, but vaguely related to an existing FW vehicle.

Necron dreadnought... kind of similar to a cross between a defiler and big tomb spider, sort of scorpion-ish

Lord_of_Nightmares wrote:Necron dreadnought... kind of similar to a cross between a defiler and big tomb spider, sort of scorpion-ish

So basically a big warrior but better in CC, harder to kill and with a bigger gun?

Not really... more legs!!!

Was thinking like a big tomb spider, with a couple of power claws up front and some sort of gauss blaster in its tail.

But yeah something thats better in CC

necrons should get reapers from mass effect!

Some kind of Tau pirahna transport might be interesting, kind of like the land speeder transport.

Wouldn't mind CSM getting some unique vehicles in their next codex. Bringing in stuff like the blight drone might be cool.

Is the Achilles land raider going to be included in the GK codex? I hope it does that would be a nice addition to the elite status of GK.

For the Necrons, an aerospace craft designed to harvest infantry and civilians with the Necrons' teleporter-based Gauss-Flayer technology. Think a cross between a Goa'uld Al'kesh and a Wraith Dart.

For the Inquisitorial forces, rules for a gun-cutter as a personal transport would be interesting.

mindfield wrote:Is the Achilles land raider going to be included in the GK codex? I hope it does that would be a nice addition to the elite status of GK.

The Achilles shouldn't be included anywhere, not until they fix the Ferromantic Invulnerability rule.

Forgeworld stuff almost never get included in new Codex releases, especially ones that havent passed the testing stages.

Valkyrie, Hydra, Leman Russ versions etc.

the GKs will be getting the Stormraven(and a model too)

i wouldn't be surprised if Necrons got the Tomb stalker. and maybe some sort of CC unit that actually has Power attacks and is somewhat survivable. Pariahs will either drop in points cost or will get seriously buffed.

i don't see the Monolith changing.



T'au will probably get some of the stuff FW has for them added.

Eldar will probably get a fighter to counter the DE one.


if GKs get the Achilles i will be like , and i will be like and then i will be like

I could Imagine Tau getting something like the Orca, if IG can have the Valk and Vendetta. The other Hammerhead Variants should make an appearance too...

I wouldn't mind chaos getting dreadclaws...Or some sort of bomber (which seems to be the current trend)....We'll see.

I could care less about the storm raven, to be honest.

SilverMK2 wrote:Some kind of Tau pirahna transport might be interesting, kind of like the land speeder transport.

The Piranhas are waaaaaaaaaaay too small to be used as transports. With the Land Speeder Storm, they just made the rear compartment open and voila! Carrying capacity

Wouldn't mind CSM getting some unique vehicles in their next codex. Bringing in stuff like the blight drone might be cool.

Blight Drones, Slaughterers, etc would be fun.

I could Imagine Tau getting something like the Orca, if IG can have the Valk and Vendetta. The other Hammerhead Variants should make an appearance too...

Why would the Tau get the Orca if the Guard get the Valkyrie(I refuse to acknowledge the Vendetta. It's an asinine bastardized Vulture, when they could have just put the Vulture in)?
The Valkyrie carries, at best, a single squad. The Orca carries alot more than that. 24 Fire Warriors, 6x Crisis Suits, and 8 Drones. Let's also not forget that the Orca is a Superheavy Flyer, rather than just a standard Flyer.

Big difference.

I could see the Barracuda or Remora Drone Fighters making it in as aircraft though.

The other Hammerhead variants are also long overdue for implementation.

Kanluwen wrote:

I could Imagine Tau getting something like the Orca, if IG can have the Valk and Vendetta. The other Hammerhead Variants should make an appearance too...

Why would the Tau get the Orca if the Guard get the Valkyrie(I refuse to acknowledge the Vendetta. It's an asinine bastardized Vulture, when they could have just put the Vulture in)?
The Valkyrie carries, at best, a single squad. The Orca carries alot more than that. 24 Fire Warriors, 6x Crisis Suits, and 8 Drones. Let's also not forget that the Orca is a Superheavy Flyer, rather than just a standard Flyer.

Big difference.

I could see the Barracuda or Remora Drone Fighters making it in as aircraft though.

The other Hammerhead variants are also long overdue for implementation.

I didn't know the Orca carried that much, or was so large, or was a super-heavy. So, like, take a chilllaxative, brah. I suppose I'll say then, that I could see them getting a smaller version of the Orca. Same aesthetic, smaller capacity.

Not sure I could see the Barracuda, though. In my view, the "flyers" in non-Apoc scale need VTOL capability. But if the Barracuda has the Hover Mode rule in Apoc, I'll shut my pie hole.

Agree 100% on the Vendetta/Vulture thing, though.

The Trygon was originally a Gargantuan Creature. They've downsized that to a Monstrous creature when it was included in the codex. I'm sure the Orca would get the same treatment if it was included.

I didn't realize I was getting worked up. Did I need a there?

I can't even see them really doing like a "mini-Orca". It'd make no real sense, since it'd fill the same role fluff-wise that Devilfish being deployed from a Manta would.

What I could see, however, is the Barracuda introduced. It's one of the only Tau aircraft that isn't a superheavy(the other being the Remora Drone Stealth Fighter), but more to the point...
It's always been described as "multi-role". It's an air superiority capable fighter, that can carry munitions to attack ground targets. With a fiddling of the rules and description, it could be configured to carry in addition to its standard armament complement...the ability to airdrop Gun Drone Squadrons or even specialist Drones.

Personally, I like the idea of a Barracuda doing a bombing run on a target while also at the same time dropping a series of smaller Drones carrying Homing Beacons for Crisis Suits to deep strike in on.

Kanluwen wrote:The Piranhas are waaaaaaaaaaay too small to be used as transports. With the Land Speeder Storm, they just made the rear compartment open and voila! Carrying capacity

It was just a starting point for a small Land Speeder-esque transport

Not sure I could see the Barracuda, though. In my view, the "flyers" in non-Apoc scale need VTOL capability. But if the Barracuda has the Hover Mode rule in Apoc, I'll shut my pie hole.

The two Dark Eldar aircraft aren't VTOL capable. Or at least they feasibly shouldn't be, if you look at how they're set up.

A Tau Orca would be far too big, it's a mass-lander (albeit not as mass as a manta) who's only Imperial comparison is a Thunderhawk, but they're not in any codices and don't look to be appearing anytime soon.

The only things I can see Tau getting are Barracudas or Tigersharks, but even a Tigershark seems over-powered when you take into account that the main reason the railgun-toting version came about was to deal with the Imperial Titans in the Damocles Crusade. The other version is simply a flying harbinger of drones.

Then there's the size, the FW model dwarfs the Hammerhead, so unless it is re-cast as a smaller version, I doubt we'll be seeing it.

That makes the only logical option for aircraft the Barracuda, but the weapon load-out on it is laughable. It has a bay of seeker missiles, but the main armaments are an Ion Cannon (3 S7 AP3 shots, which in cover-hammer means bugger all), burst cannons and markerlights. The best it can do is try and hunt down light vehicles, but if it no doubt takes up a precious HS slot, it'd be competeing with the vastly better Hammerhead/Broadside choices.

The only way I can see this being used is the option to replace the Ion Cannon with a Railgun etc. There's a reason why nobody runs HHs with Ion Cannons.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The Piranhas are waaaaaaaaaaay too small to be used as transports. With the Land Speeder Storm, they just made the rear compartment open and voila! Carrying capacity

It was just a starting point for a small Land Speeder-esque transport

See, here's my problem with that.

With the Land Speeder Storm...there's a viable reason it works(both fluff and rules wise). It's a transport for a unit that has never really had transport options that weren't absurdly against the fluff(Really? Rhinos for a Scout Squad? SNEAKY SNEAKY!) or the role that Scouts play (infiltrators/saboteurs).

Now, if you were to have a Piranha suddenly able to transport what it could feasibly carry (maybe what? 5-6 guys?)...what would make it something you want to take over a Devilfish?
I could feasibly see them allowing Pathfinder teams with an even number of members to get Tetras though.

Kanluwen wrote:
I can't even see them really doing like a "mini-Orca". It'd make no real sense, since it'd fill the same role fluff-wise that Devilfish being deployed from a Manta would.

It makes tons of sense, I think. Manta's aren't exactly small. Sometimes you gotta get into a tighter space than something that large can fit. Plus, they're a huge target for AAA fire. It also seems a huge amount of resources to dedicate to the insertion of one strike team.

Kanluwen wrote:*Barracuda Stuff*

That actually sounds like a lot of fun. That's a good point about the DE flyers.

Kanluwen wrote:[I could feasibly see them allowing Pathfinder teams with an even number of members to get Tetras though.

That is pretty much what I was thinking - a scout insertion vehicle.

Commander Endova wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
I can't even see them really doing like a "mini-Orca". It'd make no real sense, since it'd fill the same role fluff-wise that Devilfish being deployed from a Manta would.

It makes tons of sense, I think. Manta's aren't exactly small. Sometimes you gotta get into a tighter space than something that large can fit. Plus, they're a huge target for AAA fire. It also seems a huge amount of resources to dedicate to the insertion of one strike team.

Heh. Remember though, Devilfish aren't limited like Imperial anti-grav vehicles. They can be deployed and operate from the very edge of space by a Manta going full-out in terms of speed. At least the background implies that....

Kanluwen wrote:*Barracuda Stuff*

That actually sounds like a lot of fun. That's a good point about the DE flyers.

I can really see them trying to do something to enforce the interconnective relationship that the Tau are supposed to employ in war.

The ability to seed Marker Beacons makes a kind of sense

Kanluwen wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
I can't even see them really doing like a "mini-Orca". It'd make no real sense, since it'd fill the same role fluff-wise that Devilfish being deployed from a Manta would.

It makes tons of sense, I think. Manta's aren't exactly small. Sometimes you gotta get into a tighter space than something that large can fit. Plus, they're a huge target for AAA fire. It also seems a huge amount of resources to dedicate to the insertion of one strike team.

Heh. Remember though, Devilfish aren't limited like Imperial anti-grav vehicles. They can be deployed and operate from the very edge of space by a Manta going full-out in terms of speed. At least the background implies that....

Thats pretty damn awesome. I mean, uh... FOUL XENOS HERESY!!!

CSM should get at least pods.
Eldar will eventually get some skimmer like the two new DE skimmers.
Necrons need a total overhaul. Some vehicles would not be a big surprise.

wuestenfux wrote:CSM should get at least pods.

Why? Because Loyalists have them?
This isn't daycare. You don't get something because someone else has it. If you want a Deep Striking method/transport for Chaos...Dreadclaws are what you have in fluff as the prevalent means...other than opening Warp Rifts between two locations or Teleportation.

Now, I could maybe see Terminators getting Drop Pods. After all, with Chaos it isn't about strategies. It's about how important/highly ranked/highly feared, etc you are.

Eldar will eventually get some skimmer like the two new DE skimmers.

See above about "you don't get something because someone else has it".

Necrons need a total overhaul. Some vehicles would not be a big surprise.

What are we meaning by "vehicles" here? More Monoliths? Tomb Spyders?

Because if that's the case...ehhh. I'd rather see them get Necrodermis built war engines/constructs infused with multiple Necrontyr souls.

Chaos space marines could do with some landraider variants

After all, with Chaos it isn't about strategies.

I very much beg to differ; without strategies a lot of Chaos attacks would have failed. The Black Crusades take a huge amount of planning, and there's also a little story in the rulebook about the Fall of Vilamus which proves that strategy is still very much in use.