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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/04 11:36:47
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Finland
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Earlier this year we had this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/289819.page. The purpose was to see just how expensive you can make a full FOC with all the bells and whistles. Now that the Dark Eldar have gotten a new Codex I believe it is time for an update.
The updated results with the new Grey Knights included ( please note that units that do not count for FOC are not part of the calculations ):
1) Blood Angels: 26094
2) Imperial Guard: 25359
3) Chaos Space Marines: 14990
4) Space Wolves: 12235
5) Space Marines: 12230
6) Black Templars: 11562
7) Grey Knights: 10959
8) Orks: 10611
9) Witch Hunters: 10060
10) Tyranids: 9905
11) Tau Empire: 8745
12) Dark Angels: 8540
13) Eldar: 8328
14) Dark Eldar: 6820
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385
EDIT: Updated the list with the latest results.
EDIT 2: The new Grey Knights claim the 7th place. This leaves the Imperial Guard as the only non- MEQ force in the top 7.
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12001st Valusian Airborne
Chrome Warriors
Death Guard
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/04 11:38:16
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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CSM can field infinite points, technically, but never mind me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/04 11:53:43
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
The ruins of the Palace of Thorns
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undivided wrote:CSM can field infinite points, technically, but never mind me. 
That was covered in the original thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/04 12:10:20
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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A-P wrote:( please note that units that do not count for FOC are not part of the calculations ):
Right, this is the important part here. This excludes summoned daemons, allowing this to actually be a discussion rather than " lol csm".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/04 12:18:04
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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HQ - 485 ___________________________ Daemon Prince -Mark of T'zeentch -Wings -Gift of Chaos -Wind of Chaos Abaddon ___________________________ ELITES - 2910 Chaos Terminator Champions x 10 -Icon of Nurgle -8x Combi Weapons -10x Chainfists -2x Reaper Autocannons -Land Raider dedicated transport w\ all the trimmings (UNIT x 3) ____________________________ TROOPS - 3810 Noise Marines x 20 -Noise Champion -1x Power Fist -1x Doom Siren -1x Meltabombs -1x Personal Icon -18 x Sonic Blasters -1 x Blastmasters Rhino Dedicated Transport w\ all the trimmings (UNIT x 6) ____________________________ FAST ATTACK - 1620 Chaos Raptors x 20 -Aspiring Champion -1x Power Fist -1x Plasma Pistol -Icon of Nurgle -2x Plasma Guns (UNIT x 3) ___________________________ HEAVY SUPPORT - 6165 Chaos Havocs x 20 -Aspiring Champion -Meltabombs -1x Plasma Pistol -1x Power Fist -4x Lascannons -1x Icon of Nurgle Rhino Dedicated Transport w\ all the trimmings (UNIT x 3) _________________________ TOTAL - 14990 Somebody check this, not entirely sure of this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/04 13:45:39
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Middle Earth
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Let's see how crazy BA can get
HQ
Astorath the Grim- 220 pts
The Sanguinor- 275 pts
Honour Guard- 706 pts
2 Thunder Hammers each, Chapter Banner, Melta bombs mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Honour Guard- 691 pts
2 Thunder Hammers each, Company Banner, Melta bombs mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Elites
Sternguard Veterans- 666 pts
10x, 2 Lascannons, Serge with 2 PF, melta bombs, 7x Combi weapons, Mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Sternguard Veterans- 666 pts
10x, 2 Lascannons, Serge with 2 PF, melta bombs, 7x Combi weapons, Mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Sternguard Veterans- 666 pts
10x, 2 Lascannons, Serge with 2 PF, melta bombs, 7x Combi weapons, Mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Troops
Death Company- 3000 pts
30x, Jump Packs, 2x Thunder Hammers each, Lemartes
Death Company- 2850 pts
30x, Jump Packs, 2x Thunder Hammers each
Death Company- 2850 pts
30x, Jump Packs, 2x Thunder Hammers each
Death Company- 2850 pts
30x, Jump Packs, 2x Thunder Hammers each
Death Company- 2850 pts
30x, Jump Packs, 2x Thunder Hammers each
Death Company- 2850 pts
30x, Jump Packs, 2x Thunder Hammers each
Fast Attack
Vanguard Veterans- 1146 pts
10x, Sergeant with 2x Thunder Hammers, 2x TH each, melta bombs, mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Vanguard Veterans- 1146 pts
10x, Sergeant with 2x Thunder Hammers, 2x TH each, melta bombs, mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Vanguard Veterans- 1146 pts
10x, Sergeant with 2x Thunder Hammers, 2x TH each, melta bombs, mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Heavy Support
Devastators- 621
10x, 4x Lascannons, Sergeant with 2x PF, mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Devastators- 621
10x, 4x Lascannons, Sergeant with 2x PF, mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Devastators- 621
10x, 4x Lascannons, Sergeant with 2x PF, mounted in a LR with all the upgrades
Total- 26441 points, tell me if I made a mistake
EDIT: Beat the previous BA record and solidified their 1st place spot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/04 15:46:18
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Numberless Necron Warrior
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Beating the space wolf record by 15 pts and making 3rd place:
HQ - 1160
275 Logan
295 Wolf Lord x3
tda, ss, th, melta bombs, wolftooth necklace, wolf tail talisman, 2 wolves, mark of the wulfen, belt of russ, saga of the bear
Elites - 945
315 Venerable Dreads x3
heavy flamer TL las, tl AC, extra armor, wolftooth necklace, wolf tail talisman, saga
Troops - 7565
1210 Wolf Guard
th, ss, bike, bombs, razorback, mark of the wulfen
multiply by 6, subtract one razorback and add Arjac and a land raider
Fast Attack - 1380
460 TWC
ss, bombs, th, motw
Heavy Support - 1140
380 Long Fangs
2 power fists, melta bombs, lascannons, razorback
Total 12235
razorback: tl las, dozer blade, storm bolter, HK missile, extra armor
land raider: storm bolter, HK missile, multi-melta, extra armor
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 16:24:21
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Finland
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Keep the results coming  . I will compile an updated list once we get a few more results in. Also please correct any mistakes you might have spotted on the published calculations.
Any takers on the new Dark Eldar? This is your chance to show off all the new shiny toys  .
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12001st Valusian Airborne
Chrome Warriors
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 16:36:35
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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For the wolves, I dont think you can make the lords all the same, wargear wise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 16:45:38
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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Slick is right, change 2 of em up with one thing each
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 18:28:03
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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Since I started this mess, I'll take a stab. Total DE army cost: 6,645 points.
HQ1: Asdrubael Vect with a Dias of Destruction, Court of the Archon (1x Lhamaen, 1x Medusae, 3x Sslyth, 4x Ur-Ghuls): 630
HQ2: Baron Sathonyx: 105
Troop1: 20x Hellions with Helliarch, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agonizer: 365
Troop2: 20x Hellions with Helliarch, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agonizer: 365
Troop3: 20x Hellions with Helliarch, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agonizer: 365
Troop4: 20x Hellions with Helliarch, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agonizer: 365
Troop5: 20x Hellions with Helliarch, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agonizer: 365
Troop6: 20x Hellions with Helliarch, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agonizer: 365
Elite1: 10x Trueborn, 4x blasters, 2x Dark Lances, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, blast pistol and agonizer, squad gets plasma and haywire grenades(450), dedicated raider with full upgrades (125): 575
Elite2: 10x Trueborn, 4x blasters, 2x Dark Lances, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, blast pistol and agonizer, squad gets plasma and haywire grenades(450), dedicated raider with full upgrades (125): 575
Elite3: 10x Trueborn, 4x blasters, 2x Dark Lances, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, blast pistol and agonizer, squad gets plasma and haywire grenades(450), dedicated raider with full upgrades (125): 575
Fast1: 5x Beastmasters (1x Agonizer), 5 x 5 Khymerae: 380
Fast2: 5x Beastmasters (1x Agonizer), 5 x 5 Khymerae: 380
Fast3: 5x Beastmasters (1x Agonizer), 5 x 5 Khymerae: 380
Heavy1: Voidraven Bomber, 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields: 285
Heavy2: Voidraven Bomber, 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields: 285
Heavy3: Voidraven Bomber, 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields: 285
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I can happily say that 4,000 points of DE (not this 4k) can beat that 25,000 points of Blood Angels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 18:54:31
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Scuttling Genestealer
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The previous Tyranid list was illegal with 3 HQ choices. Here's the max I can legally come up with.. 9605
== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant Brood (655 pts.)
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Heavy Venom Cannon, Acid Blood, AG, Implant Attack, Regeneration, Toxin Sacs, Toxic Miasma, Wings, Paroxysm, Leech Essence, Hive Commander, Indescribable Horror, Old Adversary = 430 pts.
Tyrant Guard (3) - Bonesword = 225 pts.
Hive Tyrant Brood (655 pts.)
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Heavy Venom Cannon, Acid Blood, AG, Implant Attack, Regeneration, Toxin Sacs, Toxic Miasma, Wings, Paroxysm, Leech Essence, Hive Commander, Indescribable Horror, Old Adversary = 430 pts.
Tyrant Guard (3) - Bonesword = 225 pts.
== Elites ==
Zoanthrope Brood (240 pts.)
Zoanthrope (3) = 180 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) - Venom Cannon = 60 pts.
Zoanthrope Brood (240 pts.)
Zoanthrope (3) = 180 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) - Venom Cannon = 60 pts.
Zoanthrope Brood (240 pts.)
Zoanthrope (3) = 180 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) - Venom Cannon = 60 pts.
== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood (550 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (8) - Deathspitter, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 480 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Venom Cannon, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 70 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (550 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (8) - Deathspitter, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 480 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Venom Cannon, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 70 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (550 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (8) - Deathspitter, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 480 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Venom Cannon, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 70 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (550 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (8) - Deathspitter, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 480 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Venom Cannon, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 70 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (550 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (8) - Deathspitter, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 480 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Venom Cannon, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 70 pts.
Tyranid Warrior Brood (550 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (8) - Deathspitter, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 480 pts.
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Venom Cannon, Lash Whip And Bonesword, AG, Toxin Sacs = 70 pts.
== Fast Attack ==
Tyranid Shrike Brood (585 pts.)
Tyranid Shrike (8) - Lash Whip And Bonesword, Rending Claws, AG, Toxin Sacs = 520 pts.
Tyranid Shrike (1) - Venom Cannon, Rending Claws, AG, Toxin Sacs = 65 pts.
Tyranid Shrike Brood (585 pts.)
Tyranid Shrike (8) - Lash Whip And Bonesword, Rending Claws, AG, Toxin Sacs = 520 pts.
Tyranid Shrike (1) - Venom Cannon, Rending Claws, AG, Toxin Sacs = 65 pts.
Tyranid Shrike Brood (585 pts.)
Tyranid Shrike (8) - Lash Whip And Bonesword, Rending Claws, AG, Toxin Sacs = 520 pts.
Tyranid Shrike (1) - Venom Cannon, Rending Claws, AG, Toxin Sacs = 65 pts.
== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex Brood (3) - Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannon, Bio-Plasma, AG, Frag Spines, Regeneration, Toxin Sacs = 840 pts.
Carnifex Brood (3) - Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannon, Bio-Plasma, AG, Frag Spines, Regeneration, Toxin Sacs = 840 pts.
Carnifex Brood (3) - Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannon, Bio-Plasma, AG, Frag Spines, Regeneration, Toxin Sacs = 840 pts.
== Total ==
9605 pts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 19:02:29
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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edit deleted my earlier list because my math was wrong and I forgot about the freebe nob bikers
(I am curious to try this game again and see who can get away with every slot filled for as few points as possible)
What's up with BA Honour Guard counting towards the total? aren't they a 'free' FOC slot like a regular marine command squad? I don't know BA enough past the obvious gripes I hear all the time about deepstriking LR and so on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 19:18:46
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Furious Fire Dragon
Earth
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HQ:
Farseer-228
Warlocks (10)-690
Farseer-228
Warlocks (10)-690
Total:1836
Troops:
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Total:2484
Elites:
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Wriahguard (5+1)-414
-Wave Serpent
Total:1242
Fast Attack:
Vyper Squadron-495
Vyper Squadron-495
Vyper Squadron-495
Total:1485
Heavy Support:
Dark Reapers-427
-Wave Serpent
Dark Reapers-427
-Wave Serpent
Dark Reapers-427
-Wave Serpent
Total:1281
Overall Total:8328
Hah! i beat the old calculation by 111.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/05 20:57:03
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Major
Middle Earth
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yeenoghu wrote:edit deleted my earlier list because my math was wrong and I forgot about the freebe nob bikers
(I am curious to try this game again and see who can get away with every slot filled for as few points as possible)
What's up with BA Honour Guard counting towards the total? aren't they a 'free' FOC slot like a regular marine command squad? I don't know BA enough past the obvious gripes I hear all the time about deepstriking LR and so on.
Isn't it the same thing with tyrant guard and warlocks and such?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 10:36:52
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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That's what I meant. For this game I thought those kind of units weren't supposed to count. I wondered if there was something different or special about the Blood Angels rules and FOC specifically that I was unaware of, or is it that people are just ignoring that little rule set aout at the beginning of this thread?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 18:12:32
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Yeah, i want to know what the BA list is.
my guess is it's maxed out DC all with THs.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 01:13:30
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Major
Middle Earth
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Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, i want to know what the BA list is.
my guess is it's maxed out DC all with THs.
Um, look at my previous post
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 01:36:05
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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lol 2850pt Troops choices
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 01:44:37
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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I don't think there is a limit to the number of Shield Drones a CS can take which would make the points limitless.
I could be wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 01:55:47
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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HQ Choices Haemonculus Ancient, 210 - Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate Haemonculus, 180 - Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate Haemonculus, 180 - Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate Haemonculus Ancient, 210 - Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate Haemonculus, 180 - Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate Haemonculus, 180 - Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate Elites Choices 10x Trueborn, 330 - Blasters (4), Dark Lances (2), Plasma Grenades, Haywire Grenades, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Blast Pistol and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield 10x Trueborn, 330 - Blasters (4), Dark Lances (2), Plasma Grenades, Haywire Grenades, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Blast Pistol and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield 10x Trueborn, 330 - Blasters (4), Dark Lances (2), Plasma Grenades, Haywire Grenades, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Blast Pistol and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield Troops choices 15x Wyches, 265 - Razorflails (3), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield 15x Wyches, 265 - Razorflails (3), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield 15x Wyches, 265 - Razorflails (3), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield 15x Wyches, 265 - Razorflails (3), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield 15x Wyches, 265 - Razorflails (3), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield 15x Wyches, 265 - Razorflails (3), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer Raider, 125 - Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield Fast Attack Choices 5x Beastmasters, 25x Khymerae, 380 - Agonizer (1) 5x Beastmasters, 25x Khymerae, 380 - Agonizer (1) 5x Beastmasters, 25x Khymerae, 380 - Agonizer (1) Heavy Support Choices Voidraven Bomber, 285 - 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields Voidraven Bomber, 285 - 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields Voidraven Bomber, 285 - 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields Total: 6880
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Triggerbaby wrote:In summary, here's your lunch and ask Miss Creaver if she has aloe lotion because I have taken you to school and you have been burned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 02:54:01
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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That's not a legal DE list - you can't buy a dedicated transport for a unit that can't go into it. =p Which is why I have hellions instead of wyches.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:04:40
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Dashofpepper wrote:That's not a legal DE list - you can't buy a dedicated transport for a unit that can't go into it. =p
Well - if we ignore the fact that yes, you can.
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Triggerbaby wrote:In summary, here's your lunch and ask Miss Creaver if she has aloe lotion because I have taken you to school and you have been burned.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I too can prove pretty much any assertion I please if I don't count all the evidence that contradicts it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:06:12
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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MinMax wrote:Dashofpepper wrote:That's not a legal DE list - you can't buy a dedicated transport for a unit that can't go into it. =p
Well - if we ignore the fact that yes, you can.
The Dark Eldar codex, page 91, the three lines of text under the words Dedicated Transports, conflicts with your statement.
No, you can't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:08:55
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Wait, so wyches can't take dedicated transports? I don't have the codex in front of me, but Dash, it sounds like you said they can't? Pardon me, if I misunderstood here
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:15:04
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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solkan wrote:MinMax wrote:Dashofpepper wrote:That's not a legal DE list - you can't buy a dedicated transport for a unit that can't go into it. =p
Well - if we ignore the fact that yes, you can.
The Dark Eldar codex, page 91, the three lines of text under the words Dedicated Transports, conflicts with your statement.
No, you can't.
Gasp!
I stand corrected.
6820, then - 10x Wyches, with only 2 Wych weapons apiece.
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Triggerbaby wrote:In summary, here's your lunch and ask Miss Creaver if she has aloe lotion because I have taken you to school and you have been burned.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I too can prove pretty much any assertion I please if I don't count all the evidence that contradicts it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:21:06
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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MinMax, would you be able to answer my question if Dash can't? Can wyches take dedicated transports? If not, my friend who recently picked up Deldar cheated
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:28:49
Subject: How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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timetowaste85 wrote:MinMax, would you be able to answer my question if Dash can't? Can wyches take dedicated transports? If not, my friend who recently picked up Deldar cheated 
Wyches may take either Venoms or Raiders as dedicated transports. The error that I made, which both Dash and solkan were quick to point out, is that a unit of 6 or more cannot take a Venom, while a unit of 11 or more cannot take a Raider.
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Triggerbaby wrote:In summary, here's your lunch and ask Miss Creaver if she has aloe lotion because I have taken you to school and you have been burned.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I too can prove pretty much any assertion I please if I don't count all the evidence that contradicts it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:38:52
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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As an equal opportunity quibbler, Vect's Court can still take a dedicated transport even though they have to ride in Mr. V's Dias. So +125 points for a useless maxed out Raider to get to 6770. At least until FAQ'ed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:41:33
Subject: Re:How expensive can you make your FOC chart? (REDUX)
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Dashofpepper wrote:Elite1: 10x Trueborn, 4x blasters, 2x Dark Lances, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, blast pistol and agonizer, squad gets plasma and haywire grenades(450), dedicated raider with full upgrades (125): 575
You've included the price of the raider twice, I'm afraid. 10 trueborn with the upgrades you've listed total 330 points. Add in a max upgraded raider and it's 455.
More importantly, you forgot to upgrade the last 3 splinter rifle toting trueborn to shard carbines *gasp*, making the unit 470 total.
The revised list should be:
HQ - 1405 points
Asdrubael Vect, 240
-Dais of Destruction 265
-Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
Court of the Archon (3 Sslyth, 5 Ur-Ghul, 1 Lhamaean, 1 Medusa) 205
-Raider, 125
-Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
Haemonculus Ancient, 210
- Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate
Haemonculus, 180
- Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate
Haemonculus, 180
- Huskblade, Huskblade, Webway Portal, Dark Gate
Elites - 1410 points
10x Trueborn, 345
- Blasters (4), Dark Lances (2), Shard Carbines (3), Plasma Grenades, Haywire Grenades, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Blast Pistol and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
10x Trueborn, 345
- Blasters (4), Dark Lances (2), Shard Carbines (3), Plasma Grenades, Haywire Grenades, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Blast Pistol and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
10x Trueborn, 345
- Blasters (4), Dark Lances (2), Shard Carbines (3), Plasma Grenades, Haywire Grenades, Dracon wth Ghostplate armour, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Blast Pistol and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
Troops - 1920
10x Wyches, 195
- Razorflails (2), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
10x Wyches, 195
- Razorflails (2), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
10x Wyches, 195
- Razorflails (2), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
10x Wyches, 195
- Razorflails (2), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
10x Wyches, 195
- Razorflails (2), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
10x Wyches, 195
- Razorflails (2), Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agonizer
Raider, 125
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow, Torment Grenade Launchers, Enhanced Aethersails, Retrofire Jets, Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Envenomed blades, Splinter racks, Night shields, Flickerfield
Fast Attack - 1140 points
5x Beastmasters, 25x Khymerae, 380
- Agonizer (1)
5x Beastmasters, 25x Khymerae, 380
- Agonizer (1)
5x Beastmasters, 25x Khymerae, 380
- Agonizer (1)
Heavy Support Choices - 855
Voidraven Bomber, 285
- 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields
Voidraven Bomber, 285
- 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields
Voidraven Bomber, 285
- 4x Implosion Missiles, Night Shields, Flickerfields
Grand Total, 6730
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