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I mean, we get codecies for Blood Angels, Black Templars, Space Wolves Et Al..Yet not for Word Bearers, Death Guard, Black Legion etc.. Is the reason purely economical? I'd like to see a Word Bearers codex..

I to would like to see a codex for seperate chaos marine Legions/Warbands.

But Space Marines get everything

because when you think about it chaos is a break off of regular marines ... just like the rest ofem

Soon, brother, hopefully soon.

TBH they should just consolidate all the marine chapters into one big book that allows army rules instead based on what you field.

Same deal with CSM, big book allowing rules for basic CSM or any of the chapters.

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:I mean, we get codecies for Blood Angels, Black Templars, Space Wolves Et Al..Yet not for Word Bearers, Death Guard, Black Legion etc.. Is the reason purely economical? I'd like to see a Word Bearers codex..

Black Legion is the "main" Chaos Legion, because Abaddon is the one that whips those Black Crusades up and terrorizes the Imperium. This is what the CSM codex is attempting to signify. The Undivided legions still have some decent builds(okay, maybe not Night Lords, CSM FA is pretty horrendous) it seems like the cult marines that kind of suffered, though people tend to do pretty well with WE.

This was originally implimented with the Books of Chaos and Chaos Legions section of the 3rd ed CSM book, and it's removal is the cause of much ire for CSM players. It was well done too, since a World Eaters Army played completely different than that of a Thousand Sons army by using unit modifications, and even Iron Warriors differentiated themselves from Word bearers with a single extra Veteran skill and FoC change.

They'll get their own codex if there's enough demand. The reason we have so many space marine chapters is that they're so popular and thus actually sell. GW is in business to make money. 'Nuff said.

i think they should get "Traits" that would change the basic statlines and options found in the FoC.


like you choose the BL and only have access to basic CSM, but have access to all the HS options and can take Cult Marines as Elites.


you choose 1k sons. regular CSMs gain the SnP special rule, a 4+ invuln, Bolters become AP3, and Sergeants get changed to Sorcerors. Terminators MUST purchase the MoT, Certain units become unavaliable...

Imperial Guard, Eldar, and Orks all feature armies in the background much more dramatically different from each other than any 2 Marine chapters. But they get one book a piece.

You do the math.

Orks and Eldar can represent those armies in their Codexs well enough.

I don't see it happening. There simply isn't a demand for them to do it. How many word bearers codexii do you think they'd sell? four? It's not worth their time, or the resources to make new kits.

It's a dumb idea, it won't happen. Unless FW does it, in which case no one will even bother with it, because lets face it, it's forgeworld.

I'm not suggesting it happen, I just wondered if there was a specific reason for it. CSM's seem to play a massive part in 40K background, but they don't get the same treatment (in terms of product) as C:SM..Do that many more players choose Blood Angels and Space Wolves compared to Black Legion and World Eaters???

Quite simply: Yes.

The sales, particularly compared to the time, effort and expenditure put in simply don't make it viable for GW.

Get in line dude you and like 2,000 others have asked for something like that for a long long time.

In the Space Marine future there is only Space Marine war. Space Marine 40,000.

Thing is, it really doesn't need four codexes. Or even one codex.

A 1-2 page article in WD would be sufficient to cover one of the cult armies. They could do the same for some of the craftworlds and odder marine chapters (Iron Hands?).

Players would be happy.

White Dwarf might be worth buying.

It's all good.

Scott-S6 wrote:Thing is, it really doesn't need four codexes. Or even one codex.

A 1-2 page article in WD would be sufficient to cover one of the cult armies. They could do the same for some of the craftworlds and odder marine chapters (Iron Hands?).

Players would be happy.

White Dwarf might be worth buying.

It's all good.

But (and I'm just being devils advocate here..) you could say the same for Black Templars and Space Wolves-yet they get a codex.....

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Son_Of _Deddog wrote:But (and I'm just being devils advocate here..) you could say the same for Black Templars and Space Wolves-yet they get a codex.....

Space wolves, possibly not - almost every unit is different to their C:SM counterparts, they are actually genuinely different.

Blood Angels, Templars - sure.

Now, if WD regularly had 10 page spreads with fluff, pics and variant army lists how many people would start buying it again?

Lots, but it still wouldn't make as much profit for GW as individual Codices...

Basically you have Space Marines and their horde of unthinkingly supportive white-knights who are afraid of anything different in their game to thank. There's just too many different books at the moment to keep them all updated in a decent fashion, GW is afraid of hiring more people to keep up and every different flavor of the same dudes in power armor with chain swords and bolters is just horribly overjoyed to find out another entire new codex was released so they can feel like a special snowflake with their four or five pages worth of extra rules/wargear and special characters and pages and pages of worthless Bloodly McBlood Von Blood the Bloody Third, Blood fluff that they couldn't get enough of with released novels. This horribly, horribly over-complicates the process of updating every other army in existence, feeding back into GW not wanting to hire more people, because they have to release them SM-xeno-SM-xeno-SM-xeno to keep up with those four or five pages that the legions of fanbois are so desperate to protect.

Somehow force organization chart difference and a few pages is good enough for every different craftworld Eldar, Chaos Marine, Ork mob and Hive Fleet though. So enjoy never getting what you want unless you change what you want to loyalist marines.

No what they need to do is do the ten pages for the legions, then a generic warband month then realease a White Dwarf presents: Chaos Space Marines. ala chaos dwarfs back in the day.

It'd fill part of the mag, and be no extra staffer work to develop and release the cash generating codex, done right it will have gamers foaming at the mouth. Ah yeah, done right :p

Grey Templar wrote:Orks and Eldar can represent those armies in their Codexs well enough.

That's because there are very few variants in their armies. All of the Xenos kinda got lumped into one sort of "section" and rarely get as much attention as any Human faction. For Example Sam Hann can really use Wildrider units and other bikes, as well as some new fliers to represent their craftworld and differentiate them from normal craftworlds. Same goes for Biel Tan, who probably has entire units made up of exarchs and the Court of Young Kings. On the Ork side, there's the Kult of Speed, and probably a whole army made up of meganobz, different types of dreads (such as the megadread and Mekadreads from FW) and so on. They just dont have the units represented period. The only two armies, as far as I can see, that can truely only be represented with one book is the Tyranids and Necrons, as they largely lack individualization. Even Tau can get a second book solely based on Farsight enclaves, Kroot Mercenaries, or maybe even Vespid Hives. The main problem is that vanilla SMs get far too much variation for a "single" faction. 5 separate books in total, with 3 variations for DA, 3 for BA, One for every single special character with Chapter Tactics in the nilla book, and god knows how many in the SW book. And then there's the Grey Knights, who technically count as SMs too, and the Sisters of Battle, which shares an almost identical organisation as the SMs.

GKs do NOT count as Space Marines.

they have a totally different playstyle.

Well, in all honesty, its stupid we have so many Loyalist marine books. We don't need a grip of more SM book, even though the differences between the various Chaos Legions are much greater than say, Ultramarines and Dark Angels or Black Templars and Space Wolves. If any marines *should* have seperate books, it should be the Legions, but honestly, the game needs fewer marine books, not more.

GKs do NOT count as Space Marines.

they have a totally different playstyle.

Sorry, but really do, with Power Armor, Bolt Weapons, Dreads, Land Raiders, etc. They don't count as Space Marines, they *are*Space Marines.

Sadly we will not likely see a cult codex ever because loyalist are just so damn loved by apperntly all of us that we need another one of their chapters done right after we just got one of their codex's its a fun way to play the game. SM vs SM best game ever.

templeorks wrote:Sadly we will not likely see a cult codex ever because loyalist are just so damn loved by apperntly all of us that we need another one of their chapters done right after we just got one of their codex's its a fun way to play the game. SM vs SM best game ever.

I'm not 100% sure what you just said.

I don't think that the status of Cult Marines are directly tied to the Loyalists being "loved" though.

To answer the question in the title:

Because GW is lazy,lacking in inspiration, and panders to 12 year old gamers who get excited about the newest flavor of marines almost to the point of spiting loyal fans of non-marine armies.

just grin and bear it I guess...

I guess the best thing to do is start a Marine army then, huh?