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For those who are wondering, 300mm is about 12", so the 24 tile set would be your average Realm of Battle-sized gameboard.
The fact that this is all magnetized is what I think is really neat. $169 plus shipping is cheaper than the RoB but man, you can't get a board for cheaper unless you make it yourself.
From what I read of that board, you are still doing all the assembly once you get it, so there is labor involved that is not needed for the ROBB or the Ex Illis Board (EIB?)
So liquid Nails, and probably a plane/files when you get it.
How much is shipping to the US? IIRC, they are Australia-based.
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My thoughts. Why not go with 12" as it seems that's the table size that dominates the market. Though I understand many don't care about the loss of a few inches. Second, there appear to be square holes at the edges of each square. Are those covered up some how or are they supposed to be patched, which could cause some structural weakness at the edges. Not a big deal, but rather annoying. Otherwise, I love this product.
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These seems like a really cool product but not actually being 6x4 really kills it for me. Even if its short by 3/4 of an inch that 3/4 makes a huge difference in game play.
Very disappointing to hear that you have to put this together yourself. My modular board isn't as advanced but it is far cheaper. The only thing worth the $169 price tag would be if it was ready to go out of the box.
Its square tiles that are completely flat and have nothing on them... For 35$ I can go to the local Home Depot, buy some 1 inch plywood and hinges, and have a foldable 4 x 6 tabletop, that folds into 4 by 2s and I can hide anywhere...
It would be a different story if these had hills and other terrain features for that price tag.
If you look at the site and follow the Youtube link its the part where they show different height smaller sized blocks (the part where they put 4 small blocks to replace one normal size) is the reason for me to order this table.
It would be great for smaller games like Infinity or Pulp City (IMHO).
Darkwynn wrote:These seems like a really cool product but not actually being 6x4 really kills it for me.
It's about 1.5% less than imperial measurements. If one inch in 70 worries you that much, that's your problem.
nvillacci wrote:Im confused... why all the hoopla?
Its square tiles that are completely flat and have nothing on them... For 35$ I can go to the local Home Depot, buy some 1 inch plywood and hinges, and have a foldable 4 x 6 tabletop, that folds into 4 by 2s and I can hide anywhere...
Those are two distinctly different products. Your $35 tabletop is competing with the likes of the Zuzzy mats: a flat surface to put terrain on, not the basis for modular terrain.
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Darkwynn wrote:These seems like a really cool product but not actually being 6x4 really kills it for me.
It's about 1.5% less than imperial measurements. If one inch in 70 worries you that much, that's your problem.
nvillacci wrote:Im confused... why all the hoopla?
Its square tiles that are completely flat and have nothing on them... For 35$ I can go to the local Home Depot, buy some 1 inch plywood and hinges, and have a foldable 4 x 6 tabletop, that folds into 4 by 2s and I can hide anywhere...
Those are two distinctly different products. Your $35 tabletop is competing with the likes of the Zuzzy mats: a flat surface to put terrain on, not the basis for modular terrain.
Which makes a big difference in games like 40k or warhammer when the distance between deployment zones isn't correct and you guarantee a first turn charge. You could move it back 11 inches but then you reduce movement and those inches matter a lot. This could be a great product for some hobbyist but that group of people would rather just build it themselves.
If you have a table, and you know it is under 6x4, then you do not use the default DZ.
You subtract the missing inches from the back of the deployment zones.
Then the game area and threat ranges are unaffected.
Anything elseis not wise.
Sure, hordes get a bit cramped, but that's the choice if the table is small.
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AlexHolker wrote: Your $35 tabletop is competing with the likes of the Zuzzy mats: a flat surface to put terrain on, not the basis for modular terrain.
I don't see much difference. The Back 2 Basix board is the same thing as what can be made at home: a flat board that's the basis for modular terrain. A modular board is not that hard to make yourself.
The fact that it's all magnetized is a pretty good idea, but I agree, it's not really worth the price for what it is.
I don't really get the excitement, either.
I mean, if I have somewhere to place these tiles... Well, i already have a flat surface, so I don't need them.
I can use 12x12 inch sheets of mdf to create terrain on, so paying all this money for these, only to have to also put terrain on them just seems wrong to me.
Just my thoughts.
Eric
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Exactly... Its just a bunch of flat squares that can be put together. Why would I want some of the squares to be higher then the others.. That would be some weird looking hills with a perfect square angle.
I can see some better ideas in implementing this, but this really is not modular terrain. Its more a lego table-top.
Well, I could see the lower level coming in handy if you are making your own terrain. You can get rid of the right angle nastiness when you actually make whatever terrain feature you are looking to put there (depression, gulch, part of a river, whatever). When you are done it certainly doesn't have to be a square terrain feature, this is just a way to get a lower level terrain feature onto the board.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That still doesnt make it a viable option for me; I could use foamboard to do the same thing. This thing is mega expensive as, from what I can see, a replacement for a 10 dollar sheet of foamboard.
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For what it's worth, here is the video from their blog. It's 15 minutes long.
It's an interesting product. While I like it better than the GW one, it would take a lot of work to get these painted up, flocked, and what not. I don't like the "hills" he made with the height adjusters. Kind of silly looking, actually. It looks better laid flat.
The 24 tile set laid out at 4x6, 300MM per tile, would give you a table that's 3' 11.2" by 5' 10.9" So, it's missing 0.8" depth and 1.1" width. And that's assuming that they are 100% flush when they are connected. Not a big deal to me, guys.
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I'm a fan of the company, but not of this particular product.
Eric
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After looking at the vid man this thing has much potential for things like infinity and city tables all geometric volumes are there to play with.... furthermore this thing is brilliant for modular display tables with diferent heights... the magnetsystem is also the deal maker since those things reall hold on very well.
I think these do open doors to projects and infinity cities are no longer a pain in the butt.
Comparing this to the GW board is kind of useless I think, I can't see this being useful in 40k games.
That being said, I thought this was absolutely useless before watching the video. After, though, I can definitely see uses for Infinity, Malifaux, even Hordes and Warmachine.
I like the depth of this table - means you can easily cut into one side of the tile for things like rivers, trenches, pools, etc, yet keep the other side flat (so you have double sided tiles!).
Fill the interior of the cut tile with expanded foam (or something) to make up for the strength lost in cutting it too...
Edit: Just watched the video - didn't realise the bottom was not covered - however, this makes it easier to create sculpted, uneven terrain.
Just a shame there are not magnets along the tops of the blocks so that you can have upside down tiles and normal tiles on the same board being held together.
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I think I'll pick one up - I play city fight exclusively, so the right angle height difference will work for 'multilevel' gaming.
It also doesnt suffer from the 'permanent hill' problem that some people dont like about the ROBB.
I was worried about the 'assembly', but they have added a video that shows its pretty simple really, and doesnt require 'filing or adjusting - its woodglue and thats it.
This board? I don't need it. As someone pointed out earlier, if I had a flat surface for these tiles, I wouldn't need the tiles....
+1 for this but I think the idea is not to provide a flat surface but to provide a modular system with which to build up from for producing detailed terrain boards.
NecronLord3 wrote:Except you know that someone(probably more than not) are going to screw up the magnet placement and ruin their $169 dollar product.
Lol - more than likely - then again, they are probably the people who glue their sentinel legs on backwards. You'll always get the people who dont read the instructions!
I like the idea of this board as a gaming surface, as Im currently playing on kitchen tables of 3-3 1/2 feet wide, and 5 feet long. Makes deploying really tight! It also has the advantage of being small enough for me to pack up into a discrete box, and keep the wife happy (very important).
Im playing with the idea of making the board industrial, with very little 'fixed terrain' - basically a few pavement/side walks, and other low profile bits, painting the whole thing with 'magnetic paint' (presuming I can find some), and then putting rare earth magnets on the bottoms of my buildings. If the plan works, this should allow me to place the buildings wherever I want during a game, with the magnets giving them some stability and fixture (no more moving the building so I can fit my landraider through this narrow corridor). Of course, this could be all a pipe dream, I need to determine the availability and utility of the resene magnetic paint - I also need the wife's permission!
A quick look at the video, does the guy ever reference the higher tiles as 'hills'? I see he uses the words 'city scape', 'cliff face', gorge' etc, but you'd be crazy to call a right angled box as a 'hill'!