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Fingers crossed it'll be more like the first films and wont be as bad as Revenge of the Fallen. Mr Bay has said he doesn't want Dark of the Moon to be 'as large' as Revenge of the Fallen, he wants it to be more character driven and darker.
Got my fingers crossed, but Revenge burned me and now I deeply mistrust Michael Bay.
At leat I'll always have the 1985 animated movie .
Wannabe Writer wrote:Fingers crossed it'll be more like the first films and wont be as bad as Revenge of the Fallen. Mr Bay has said he doesn't want Dark of the Moon to be 'as large' as Revenge of the Fallen, he wants it to be more character driven and darker.
Got my fingers crossed, but Revenge burned me and now I deeply mistrust Michael Bay.
At leat I'll always have the 1985 animated movie .
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Wannabe Writer wrote:Fingers crossed it'll be more like the first films and wont be as bad as Revenge of the Fallen. Mr Bay has said he doesn't want Dark of the Moon to be 'as large' as Revenge of the Fallen, he wants it to be more character driven and darker.
Got my fingers crossed, but Revenge burned me and now I deeply mistrust Michael Bay.
At leat I'll always have the 1985 animated movie .
Bay hates Revenge of the Fallen, just as much, if not more than you.
Eh, Revenge of the Fallen was bad from a critical point of view, but I did indeed enjoy just watching 's*** blow up" I mean, I didn't watch the entire movie, I was painting while it was going, but I did pay attention to some parts.
But yeah, here's hoping Bay learned his lesson and this one doesn't suck. I mean, they got rid of Meagan Fox, so that will probably allow him to make a better movie, but also rid us of the fanservice.
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Goliath wrote:Bay hates Revenge of the Fallen, just as much, if not more than you.
Why the bloody hell did he make it that way then? The fallen should never have been introduced, Megatron should have remained the centrepiece villian. He's already hard enough and there didn't need to be a badder, tougher Decepticon. Besides, Megatron owned Prime in the finale of the first film and then in Revenge the 'almighty fallen' gets his arse handed to him by Prime and barely fights back. That always sat ill with me.
Bay showed he can make an amazingly good movie when he made the first Transformers film. That was what was so disappointing about Revenge.
Still, on the positive side, it is rumoured that Shockwave is the villian in Dark of the Moon and Megatron now turns into a heavily armed Mack Titan truck. Apparantly Bay wanted him to be a sort of 'anit-Prime'. Optimus also has his G1 trailer in the new film, just wonder if it will mysteriously 'vanish' like it did in the cartoon .
Anyone else watch Russel Howard's Good News on the BBC? He showed the segment a few weeks ago about Hasbro pulling an Autobot toy off of shop shelves in the UK because his name is 'Spastic' . Aparantly the word is not used in the same context in the USA as it is in the UK (for those US citizens not in the know, over here the word spastic is used by idiots as a derogatory term for people with learning difficulties/mental health disabilities).
Goliath wrote:Bay hates Revenge of the Fallen, just as much, if not more than you.
Why the bloody hell did he make it that way then? The fallen should never have been introduced, Megatron should have remained the centrepiece villian. He's already hard enough and there didn't need to be a badder, tougher Decepticon. Besides, Megatron owned Prime in the finale of the first film and then in Revenge the 'almighty fallen' gets his arse handed to him by Prime and barely fights back. That always sat ill with me.
Bay showed he can make an amazingly good movie when he made the first Transformers film. That was what was so disappointing about Revenge.
Still, on the positive side, it is rumoured that Shockwave is the villian in Dark of the Moon and Megatron now turns into a heavily armed Mack Titan truck. Apparantly Bay wanted him to be a sort of 'anit-Prime'. Optimus also has his G1 trailer in the new film, just wonder if it will mysteriously 'vanish' like it did in the cartoon .
Anyone else watch Russel Howard's Good News on the BBC? He showed the segment a few weeks ago about Hasbro pulling an Autobot toy off of shop shelves in the UK because his name is 'Spastic' . Aparantly the word is not used in the same context in the USA as it is in the UK (for those US citizens not in the know, over here the word spastic is used by idiots as a derogatory term for people with learning difficulties/mental health disabilities).
Well in Bay's defense, Optimus wasn't the wussy he was in Transformers I. By my recollection he never lost against Megatron in a fight. The first movie made him strong, but not nearly as tough as Megatron. Whats interesting to me is that I really enjoy these movies better on the small screen. My eyes can't handle all the moving parts on the big screen, but on a regular TV I can take it in.
Unless the reviews are good, it might be a decent rental.
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Goliath wrote:Bay hates Revenge of the Fallen, just as much, if not more than you.
Why the bloody hell did he make it that way then? The fallen should never have been introduced, Megatron should have remained the centrepiece villian. He's already hard enough and there didn't need to be a badder, tougher Decepticon. Besides, Megatron owned Prime in the finale of the first film and then in Revenge the 'almighty fallen' gets his arse handed to him by Prime and barely fights back. That always sat ill with me.
Bay showed he can make an amazingly good movie when he made the first Transformers film. That was what was so disappointing about Revenge.
Still, on the positive side, it is rumoured that Shockwave is the villian in Dark of the Moon and Megatron now turns into a heavily armed Mack Titan truck. Apparantly Bay wanted him to be a sort of 'anit-Prime'. Optimus also has his G1 trailer in the new film, just wonder if it will mysteriously 'vanish' like it did in the cartoon .
Anyone else watch Russel Howard's Good News on the BBC? He showed the segment a few weeks ago about Hasbro pulling an Autobot toy off of shop shelves in the UK because his name is 'Spastic' . Aparantly the word is not used in the same context in the USA as it is in the UK (for those US citizens not in the know, over here the word spastic is used by idiots as a derogatory term for people with learning difficulties/mental health disabilities).
Because that was the script that he was given, he's a director, not a screenwriter.
The script was written in the middle of the writer's strike, so it was automatically going to suck.
If it follows the same trend as the last film, they will cut out the few remaining good bits, and replace them with twice as much crap.
All Transformers will be on screen for a maximum of 5 seconds, before vanishing, never to be seen again.
There will be even more crap Transformers (since we've had the "gangsta" Transformers, perhaps we will have the "camp interior designer" Transformers or something equally annoying and pointless) and they will be on screen for longer, with more dialogue.
The mum will be on screen for longer than the big O-Prime and will be even more annoyingly vapid. The dog will continue to hump everything that moves, perhaps providing a love triangle with one of the small Decepitcons.
Bumblebee will destroy the dad's lawn again.
Rather than the entire story being explained in 5 minute monologues spread randomly through the film, there will be one long 30 minute monologue right at the end which will still fail to tie together the absolutely random tripe that had gone on for the preceding 3 hours (because they had to make the film even longer to fit in all the extra crap).
Goliath wrote:Because that was the script that he was given, he's a director, not a screenwriter.
The script was written in the middle of the writer's strike, so it was automatically going to suck.
Other than part of it being written during the Writer's strike, I don't believe any of the rest of that.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I do believe because of said strike, he actually wrote/adlibbed much of it. Fallen was way more of a Bay pure vision then the first one. If you look at other films he did you would say (yea, they all sucketh the great one).
He's like Lucas. Let him handle scenes/special effects and babe procurement. Have someone else handle the storyline/plot and you know, acting, parts.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I mean look at it, even the good ones are kinda stinkers in many areas. Pearl Harbor? (retching noises)
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Frazzled wrote:I do believe because of said strike, he actually wrote/adlibbed much of it. Fallen was way more of a Bay pure vision then the first one. If you look at other films he did you would say (yea, they all sucketh the great one).
If almost all his movies are not very good, than why make excuses for this one? The others weren't made during a Writer's strike. We also aren't talking about some 1st year director just out of film school, he is a high profile director with some pull. I can guarantee he has some level of script control. Even if he missed how crappy it was there was still the producers of the film, like Steven Spielberg, that also dropped the ball. They had more than enough time to polish the script after the strike if they chose to do so. They made a really expensive, crappy movie and then made excuses afterward. You know it has to be bad when the average Michael Bay movie is 'meh' but this one got such a negative backlash.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Frazzled wrote:
I mean look at it, even the good ones are kinda stinkers in many areas. Pearl Harbor? (retching noises)
Pearl Harbor was an insult against all war movies. I´m still bitter about that movie. Fortunately my wife got me Tora Tora Tora for Xmass last year so I´m a happy camper now.
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Ahtman wrote: They made a really expensive, crappy movie and then made excuses afterward.
Exactly. I'm just noting thats not much different than most of his films. Transformers is the only film I've actually been talked into seeing, and I saw it over the fact he was directing, not because of it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Directors can be hamstrung into making a crappy movie.
Look at the Batman series of movies after Batman Returns.
The studio wanted a kid friendly movie, brought in Joel Schumacher to replace Burton and subsequently directed the third movie targeting kids and the fourth movie targeting derpa derrs.
And Schumacher had a decent track record with his movies prior to that, including my favorite Falling Down.
I can't begin to describe my disappointment in the last few Transformers movies.
The first one was a mountain dew/nokia/Army commercial, and the second one took my favorite Transformer of all time and put a giant ballbag on him for a gag. The 15 second super tight shot on the McCafe cup in the Revenge of the fallen was the jewel in the crown of that that piece of garbage.
Seriously. I hate Bay. Now and forever.
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The flaw with Bay’s perception on the Transformers movies is that his vision is more of a “War of the Worlds/Alien Invasion” movie rather than a Transformers movie, therefore the movies were pretty much doomed to have gaping issues from the get go. Bay also seems to have fallen into the classic Hollywood director trap and get caught up with making explosions, special effects and cliché humour rather than adding polish/depth.
One of the biggest flaws of the movie is that the main characters are the humans rather than the transformers. The human characters should exist so the audience has someone they can associate with. The human characters should not exist so that there is a window for a ridiculous plot along the lines of America versus the Decepticons (with a small appearance from the autobots). This is why the first to movies felt like a giant military recruitment video (join the army, see the world, fight the Decepticons?).
That being said, if the next movie script was centralised around the transformers, contained less cliché stuff and maybe something dramatic like unicron, it will be a good movie.
I am going to put this out since this seems like an interesting question, if someone else could have directed the movies, who should it have been?
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Goliath wrote:Because that was the script that he was given, he's a director, not a screenwriter.
The script was written in the middle of the writer's strike, so it was automatically going to suck.
Other than part of it being written during the Writer's strike, I don't believe any of the rest of that.
Michael Bay wrote:Indeed, Bay himself made his disdain for the 2009 film well known to us, bemoaning the Writers Strike that left them tethered to a weak screenplay and the overall "dorkiness" (his phrase) of its humor. Bay vows that in the third film, death is final and the Decepticons mean effin' business. And no dorky humor.
Bay said that the footage he showed us wasn't necessarily representative of the film as a whole, in that he wanted more character moments and more peppering of action sequences throughout with a build-up to a hell's bells, balls-to the-walls finale unlike the incessant shoot 'em-up of the last film.
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