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This is a list centered around fielding as many battlewagons as possible. I think it will be able to take on all comers and I see almost no weakness.

HQ

Warboss – 95
w/ PK, eavy armor, combi-skorcha

Big Mek – 85
KFF,

Elites

5 Nobz – 260
Pk
bosspole
Big Choppa
Combi-Skorcha
Battlewagon
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Grot Riggars

5 Nobz – 260
Pk
bosspole
Big Choppa
Combi-Skorcha
Battlewagon
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Grot Riggars

5 Nobz – 260
Pk
bosspole
Big Choppa
Combi-Skorcha
Battlewagon
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Grot Riggars

Troops

5 Nobz – 260
Pk
bosspole
Big Choppa
Combi-Skorcha
Battlewagon
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Grot Riggars

10 Boyz – 140
Nob w/ PK, bosspole

10 Boyz – 140
Nob w/ PK, bosspole

10 Boyz – 140
Nob w/ PK, bosspole

Heavy Support

Battlewagon – 120
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Grot Riggars

Battlewagon – 120
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Grot Riggars

Battlewagon – 120
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Grot Riggars

Total: 2000

So am I a genius or what? 7 Battlewagons is something hard to beat.

I think you'd be better served replacing one warboss and troops nobz squad with a big mek with kff and a 10 ork+pk nob. Should be able to stagger the wagons with kff coverage on the front ones to give 4+ cover to your av14.

Thanks I changed the list. I was considering doing that from the beginning but decided against it. However looking back on the list it seems obvious.

You won't be able to keep all your Battlewagons under the KFF range. I'd actually change the other Warboss and fourth Nobz squad for another KFF + Boyz squad. It'll keep you alive longer and it's not like you lack CC power with this list.

Theres still a mistake because you have 6 elites choices because one of you squads of nobs takes up to spaces so you can only have 1 and some more nobz but the rest of them are fine

Khorne Flakes wrote:Theres still a mistake because you have 6 elites choices because one of you squads of nobs takes up to spaces so you can only have 1 and some more nobz but the rest of them are fine

I only count 3 Elite Nob Mobs plus the fourth (which is a Troops choice because of the Boss).

Yeah but since all of the m have a battlewagon or whatever it counts as an extra elite choice
Elites only has 3 slots so you can only fit in 1 nobs mob with a wagon and just a squad of nobz left

Doctor Optimal wrote:

Khorne Flakes wrote:Theres still a mistake because you have 6 elites choices because one of you squads of nobs takes up to spaces so you can only have 1 and some more nobz but the rest of them are fine

I only count 3 Elite Nob Mobs plus the fourth (which is a Troops choice because of the Boss).

Seconded.

Also as per the second big mek, I can't take another squad of boys in a battlewagon as my heavy support is already maxed out and boys can only take trucks as dedicated transports.

wait nobz with battlewagons can't be troops choices?

Oh boy....I might have some splainin to do.

narceron wrote:wait nobz with battlewagons can't be troops choices?

Oh boy....I might have some splainin to do.

Nothing that I see indicates this. A Nob Mob that is a Troops choice (because of a Boss) still has all the options for an Elite Nob Mob, including a non-killkannon Battlewagon for dedicated transport, the Boss allows a change in the force-org slot the Nob Mob takes, but not the characteristics of the mob itself.

As I said earlier:

narceron wrote:wait nobz with battlewagons can't be troops choices?

Oh boy....I might have some splainin to do.

????

Khorne Flakes wrote:Yeah but since all of the m have a battlewagon or whatever it counts as an extra elite choice
Elites only has 3 slots so you can only fit in 1 nobs mob with a wagon and just a squad of nobz left

Nope, Dedicated Transports do not "take up" slots. Otherwise mech armies like guard and eldar would be severely hampered

Back to the list, I was considering putting painboys in every nobz squad, but what would I take out, and should I do it?

If you're just looking to spam battlewagons, I don't think you can fit painboys.
If you're willing to drop to 6 wagons, you could replace the other warboss with another big mek w/kff. Drop the troop nobs, add painboys to the other 3 squads and add some deffkoptas for 1st turn tie up of anything that can hurt the battlewagons. Could probably fit a min sized grot squad too to camp on your objective.
Could then run wagons in groups of three with kff coverage without clumping so much. You lose the warboss str.10 klaw, but with all the rollas, you shouldn't miss it too much. 7 wagons is hard to maneuver, and getting 6 of them under a field would help offset the loss of the 7th.

Do you think that if I did that then the list would actually be more effective,or would it just be a way to fit in painboys?

I prefer to use meganobs, and instead of a KFF mek, I use Mad Dok Grotsnik as my second HQ, because then I can give the Meganobs cybork bodies, which gives them a 5+ invulnerable. That makes them 2-wound terminators that are STR 5 on the charge. And always, always, always pay the five extra points for the red paint job. Never underestimate the value of an extra inch of movement, though grot riggers is also a must, and armor plates to reduce "can't move/shoot" to "Cant shoot". Keep those battlewagons mobile at all costs!!!

I think it might be more effective. The ability to split into two battle groups and retain cover is nice. Pain boys add a lot of resiliency to nobz, and koptas with buzz saws can put pressure on the few units an opponent may have to deal with av14 at range.

rivers64 wrote:Also as per the second big mek, I can't take another squad of boys in a battlewagon as my heavy support is already maxed out and boys can only take trucks as dedicated transports.

Oh, you're right, I forgot about that. Well, it might even be a good idea to have 6 Battlewagons and take something else in its place, unless this is strictly a themed list. Some Deffkoptas and/or Lootas. The reason I say this is because you'll only be able to realiably protect 3 Battlewagons with a single KFF. The other ones are suprisingly fragile even with AV 14. It's quite easy to target their side armor and you also get the bonus on damage rolls for open topped. Meltas are made to kill BWs.

Don't get me wrong your current list is a good and fun list to play(my friend plays a BW rush so I'm quite familiar with the topic), but I think that second KFF will make it imesurably more durable.

Sorry to say you're not a genius lol Warboss doesn't have cybork body so he'll get hacked to pieces by power weapons or instagibbed before he even swings with that klaw. Easy fix switch for cybork body.

None of your Nobz have Painboys which means they have 6+ armour save, what are they going to do in combat because they can dish the pain but not take it? 5 Nobz without some kind of invulnerable save, real armour save or feel no pain will be binned and quickly.

Boyz won't last 5 minutes in small squads, point in Wagons is to take large Boyz units not small ones. If you're going to do a Wagon spam list you did to do it properly and up the points as no units at all in this army have any stopping power.

Then to add to your problems you have no ranged fire power - how you going to tackle anything at range and tanks for that matter? Please don't take rush up in close combat because just torrent the Big Meks wagon until it's dead and then torrent that unit until gone and now you've got your Wagons left without protection and still go to spend several turns moving to get into range.

It looks fun to play, you've got 7 Wagons but I've got 5 at this points level and my units last a lot lot longer than yours. Spend more points investing into units instead of all going out or else you won't find yourself lasting too long :(

What Mercer said.

This is a mechanized world of 40k, and you're lacking in anti-tank ability. A deffrolla crushing into a landraider is a great thing, but it has to *get* there first; and you're going to have AV12 sides wide open on your flanks....

Not to mention the Nightmare that is going to ensue when you come up against an Eldar or Dark Eldar player. For example, I play Dark Eldar. Skimmers dodge a ram on a 3+. Its not a big deal to turbo-boost a skimmer up in front of your battlewagon line, effectively stopping you in your tracks.

Here's a DE vs. Battlewagon Ork battle report I did that is relevant to you: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/296453.page#1599983

This picture in particular:


I moved a raider flat out in front of his KFF wagon, and his choices were to either split his other two battlewagons away from the KFF to try going around, or to sit still for a turn - a turn of him absorbing more lances at range. Dodging the ram on a 3+ no less. And in case that doesn't work, there's 12 other transports to do the same thing with turn after turn to make sure you continually sit at range unable to move out of the box you're stuck in.

Tau piranhas, Space Marine landspeeders, Eldar vehicles - they can all effectively do the same thing.

Without any Deffkoptas, or Lootas to give you some kind of anti-tank, you're going to find yourself in a tough spot.

Ok, so I took into account as many suggestions as I could. Now looking I lost 2 battlewagons, But my nobz and boyz are both twice as durable and I fit in both lootas and deffcoptas for anti light mech.

HQ

Warboss – 100
w/ PK, Cybork Body, combi-skorcha

Big Mek – 85
KFF,

Elites

5 Nobz – 290
Pk
bosspole
Painboy
Combi-Skorcha
Battlewagon
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Boarding Planks
Red Paint

5 Lootas – 75

5 Lootas – 75

Troops

5 Nobz – 290
Pk
bosspole
Painboy
Combi-Skorcha
Battlewagon
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Boarding Planks
Red Paint

19 Boyz – 194
Nob w/ PK, bosspole

19 Boyz – 194
Nob w/ PK, bosspole

19 Boyz – 194
Nob w/ PK, bosspole

Fast Attack

Deffcopta – 70
w/ TL Rokkit Launchas and buzzsaw

Deffcopta – 70
w/ TL Rokkit Launchas and buzzsaw

Heavy Support

Battlewagon – 120
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Boarding Plank

Battlewagon – 120
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Boarding Plank

Battlewagon – 120
Deff rolla, Big shoota
Boarding Plank

Total: 1999

So how's this as an improvement?

Very good. I like it, but only because it's very very similar to my list:

Orks "'Ead Manglers Lads" - 2,000 points

HQ

1 x Warboss power klaw, attack squig & cybork body
1 x Big Mek burna, kustom force field & cybork body

Elite

5 x Lootas
5 x Lootas
5 x Nobz w/ Battlewagon power klaw, 2 x big choppas, waaagh! Banner, bosspole, cybork bodies & Painboy - Wagon w/ big shoota & boarding plank

Troops

6 x Nobz w/ Battlewagon power klaw, 4 x big choppas, waaagh! Banner, bosspole, 'eavy armour cybork bodies & Painboy - Wagon w/ big shoota & boarding plank
20 x Shoota Boyz Nob w/ power klaw & boss pole
20 x Shoota Boyz Nob w/ power klaw & boss pole
20 x Shoota Boyz Nob w/ power klaw & boss pole

Fast Attack

1 x Deffcopter 1 x twin-linked rokkits & 1 x buzzsaw
1 x Deffcopter 1 x twin-linked rokkits & 1 x buzzsaw

Heavy Support

1 x Battlewagon big shoota & deffrolla
1 x Battlewagon big shoota & deffrolla
1 x Battlewagon big shoota & deffrolla

I'd give you a 50% increase in effectiveness over your first list. =D

Thanks all, and mercer, I swear I didn't look at you list before hand.

lol no worries mate let me know how you get on with it

yes sir, much better. the idea of a 7 wagons is crazy, the mental image alone of them steam rolling everything can give a false impression of being "unstoppable".

that second list will fair you much better.