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But after the Space Marines have killed all of the Imperiums, where will they get food and medicine? There won't be any Mechanicums to make it for them.
MrDAKKA wrote:my view is that they will detach from the imperiam of man and make there own empires in space and declare war on the imperiam
Why?
The Space Marines are supposed to be the Goodest Good-Guys in the world of Good. Most of them (like the Salamanders) care about human life and would do anything to preserve it. Without the Imperium, they would have:
- No Supplies.
- No new tech.
- No new recruits.
- No Supports.
As awsome as Spess Mahreens may be, a million of 'em arn't gonna stand up againts billions of humans, plus all the other griblies in the universe.
Sorry, but in that conflict, the IG win by sheer weight of numbers. Oh, and the ability to repair their tech and et new kit delivered to them, as they'll still be on good terms with the mechanicum.
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The Space Marines are supposed to be the Goodest Good-Guys in the world of Good. Most of them (like the Salamanders) care about human life and would do anything to preserve it.
I don't think this statement is entirely accurate. Think at least half of the Space Marine Chapters take the 'Sacrificing civilians/Imperial Guardsman to defeat the foe is acceptable if necessary' approach, seeing it as the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few, and quite alot of them see an Astartes life as more precious than civilians.
Just to name a few of the more popular ones; Black Templars, Blood Angels, Flesh Tearers, Iron Hands, Dark Angels.
I think the White Scars and Raven Guard may also come under this banner, but I am unsure. There are also several that are in the middle, and have sacrificed civilians/the Guard to meet their objectives in the past even if they don't like to make a regular occurence of it, such as the Fists.
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They are however whole-heartedly devoted to the Emperor, and thus His Imperium, and would sacrifice themselves in a heartbeat for Him, thus the Space Marine chapters leaving the Imperium en masse is slightly ridiculous.
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I think there would not be a repeat of something the scale of the Horus Heresy, after all, everybody knows about it and SM's are taught (codex astartes) about loyalty..blahblahblah.. maybe smaller, like astral claws scale would happen again. the future in my opinion would be either nids moving to a new galaxy (after destroying Imperium), Nec going back to sleep( after destroying Imperium), Tau ruling the galaxy ( after destroying the Imperium) or Orcs killing themselves en masse (after destroying the Imperium). just my 2 cents.
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Grimm wrote:
MrDAKKA wrote:my view is that they will detach from the imperiam of man and make there own empires in space and declare war on the imperiam
Why?
The Space Marines are supposed to be the Goodest Good-Guys in the world of Good. Most of them (like the Salamanders) care about human life and would do anything to preserve it. Without the Imperium, they would have:
- No Supplies.
- No new tech.
- No new recruits.
- No Supports.
As awsome as Spess Mahreens may be, a million of 'em arn't gonna stand up againts billions of humans, plus all the other griblies in the universe.
TBH, your theory is a bit rubbish.
This. the space marines need support and without the IoM and in particular Mars they would struggle, add to the fact that Mars has plenty of geenseed in its banks to make more chapters and that the grey knights would remain loyal anyway they could be taken down.
The space marines are loyal to the emperor and the IoM.
On a non-fluff point the future of space marines is owned and created by GW, having the most popular army go change their entire outlook is probably the most stupid thing GW could do.
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This isn't really feasible. If they tried to just split off (which would never happen) the Imperium would destroy them for the threat they represent or xenos would do it for old times sake and because they no longer have the IoM backing them. SM could not win for many of the reasons mentioned above. There only option would be to flee into the Eye of Terror and join their fallen brethren.
Also, what would be the motivation for all of the Chapters to do this. If Horus couldn't even get unanimous cooperation during the heresy then it's more likely that another attempt at secession would end up with loyalist fighting a new group of traitors once more.
If you're so inclined you should read the Soul Drinkers novels...it will give you a new perspective on renegade marines (and they are excellent books).
The Space Marines are supposed to be the Goodest Good-Guys in the world of Good. Most of them (like the Salamanders) care about human life and would do anything to preserve it.
I don't think this statement is entirely accurate. Think at least half of the Space Marine Chapters take the 'Sacrificing civilians/Imperial Guardsman to defeat the foe is acceptable if necessary' approach, seeing it as the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few, and quite alot of them see an Astartes life as more precious than civilians.
Just to name a few of the more popular ones; Black Templars, Blood Angels, Flesh Tearers, Iron Hands, Dark Angels.
I think the White Scars and Raven Guard may also come under this banner, but I am unsure. There are also several that are in the middle, and have sacrificed civilians/the Guard to meet their objectives in the past even if they don't like to make a regular occurence of it, such as the Fists.
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I'm not sure about the Raven Guard as a whole, but I'm pretty sure Shrike is known as something of a hero among Imperial citizens, known to come save them from dire circumstances. Therefore I don't think you should try classifying RG in with those other heartless bums
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MrDAKKA wrote:my view is that they will detach from the imperiam of man and make there own empires in space and declare war on the imperiam
Why?
The Space Marines are supposed to be the Goodest Good-Guys in the world of Good. Most of them (like the Salamanders) care about human life and would do anything to preserve it. Without the Imperium, they would have:
- No Supplies.
- No new tech.
- No new recruits.
- No Supports.
As awsome as Spess Mahreens may be, a million of 'em arn't gonna stand up againts billions of humans, plus all the other griblies in the universe.
TBH, your theory is a bit rubbish.
This. the space marines need support and without the IoM and in particular Mars they would struggle, add to the fact that Mars has plenty of geenseed in its banks to make more chapters and that the grey knights would remain loyal anyway they could be taken down.
The space marines are loyal to the emperor and the IoM.
On a non-fluff point the future of space marines is owned and created by GW, having the most popular army go change their entire outlook is probably the most stupid thing GW could do.
Don't forget the adeptus custodes. I'm pretty sure their are quite a few of them running around.
I think the OP's scenario could only happen if the Imperium actually managed to win and take over the galaxy. After a few hundred or thousand years, the Space Marines chapters could grow in power and independence and may evolve to in-fighting and end up splintering the Empire.
But, that's not how things are looking. It's looking like the IoM is going to be wiped out. The Space Marines will all die valiantly against an unending horde of abominations of various kinds.
In fact, I think GW is reaching the point where it's hard to make the 40k universe any grimmer or darker. 6th edition may see a new race emerge even scarier than what we've already seen. Perhaps the Tyranids aren't invading, they're running...
The only way I could see the space marines becoming independent is if the Imperium collapses leaving worlds divided. Chapters would retreat back to their homeworlds to govern and fortify them. They would still have support from the mechanicum human factions, but be independent from other worlds.
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Grakmar wrote:Perhaps the Tyranids aren't invading, they're running...
Oh gosh, imagine that.
P.s. - obviously gosh was not the word I was going for there, I hope you get the point though. Gosh doesn't carry quite the same weight as
But yeah, sorry OP, but that is the worst theory I have heard in regards to what will happen come 41,000, for all the reasons already stated. What if the Big Crunch happened at 41,001...? *mindbomb*
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The Space Marines are supposed to be the Goodest Good-Guys in the world of Good. Most of them (like the Salamanders) care about human life and would do anything to preserve it.
I don't think this statement is entirely accurate. Think at least half of the Space Marine Chapters take the 'Sacrificing civilians/Imperial Guardsman to defeat the foe is acceptable if necessary' approach, seeing it as the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few, and quite alot of them see an Astartes life as more precious than civilians.
Just to name a few of the more popular ones; Black Templars, Blood Angels, Flesh Tearers, Iron Hands, Dark Angels.
I think the White Scars and Raven Guard may also come under this banner, but I am unsure. There are also several that are in the middle, and have sacrificed civilians/the Guard to meet their objectives in the past even if they don't like to make a regular occurence of it, such as the Fists.
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They are however whole-heartedly devoted to the Emperor, and thus His Imperium, and would sacrifice themselves in a heartbeat for Him, thus the Space Marine chapters leaving the Imperium en masse is slightly ridiculous.
I agree. The only chapters i can think of that actually care about lives other than their own are Space wolves and Ultramarines
And that's just becuase they have nice chapter masters.
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I'm not sure about the Raven Guard as a whole, but I'm pretty sure Shrike is known as something of a hero among Imperial citizens, known to come save them from dire circumstances. Therefore I don't think you should try classifying RG in with those other heartless bums
Hmmm, reading the Shrike entry in the Space Marine codex, it appears you might be right. I stand corrected.
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I agree. The only chapters i can think of that actually care about lives other than their own are Space wolves and Ultramarines
And that's just becuase they have nice chapter masters.
There are several more that do hold life dear, and will assist where possible, the Salamanders being the big one you didn't mention.
The Crimson Fists and Imperial Fists also generally conduct themselves in a fashion that minimises civilian casualties, but not always. It depends on commander, and objective.
I think the Ultramarines, Space Wolves and Salamanders are the only ones that always try to save civilian and Guard lives where possible, even at the cost of Astartes (Although, reading the entry for Kayvaan Shrike, it appears he at least can also name himself amoung these, perhaps his entire chapter (The Raven Guard in 'Unity', a short story in Fear the Alien doesn't appear to be the most compassionate of Space Marines however)).
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The Raven Guard(10th company) in IA8 don't totally abandon the IG during the fight. They do hold back until the absolute last minute before commiting themselves though.
Grakmar wrote: Perhaps the Tyranids aren't invading, they're running...
Oh. feth. After reading through the Nid dex and feeling the hopelessness for the imperium that idea sent a chill up my spine.
OP: I kinda doubt it, though if Ultramar declares independence and the marines follow there will be two imperiums, one protected by uncounted trillions of guardsmen, the other protected by a horde of Astartes heros with greater daemon stats.
Grakmar wrote: Perhaps the Tyranids aren't invading, they're running...
Oh. feth. After reading through the Nid dex and feeling the hopelessness for the imperium that idea sent a chill up my spine.
OP: I kinda doubt it, though if Ultramar declares independence and the marines follow there will be two imperiums, one protected by uncounted trillions of guardsmen, the other protected by a horde of Astartes heros with greater daemon stats.
I wonder who would win...
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