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especially dark eldar... I haven't played against dark eldar and will start seeing them pretty soon.

I guess it would depend on your army. I play necrons so I would unload lots of destroyer dakka at them. With that -2 for open top vehicles glances and my typical 4-5 destroyer squad that's 12 - 15 shots of gauss flying at them. If I can get a facing that's av10 then I'll probably either destroy it or stop it in it's tracks - unless I roll really really badly...

On the damage table it would only be -1 for a glance (-2 glance, +1 open topped). You will not need stuff like melta weapons. Like the above poster it depends on your army. Probably go with something like the Missile Launcher, but depending on your army there may be better options.

I play with Space Marines (codex)

Autocannons, missile launchers, maybe heavy bolters, plasma guns (if they're in range) basically anything strength 6/7 or if it has multiple shots strength 5 might do it.

Then Missile Launchers. You have the Frag rounds to help deal with infantry when the vehicles become scarce. I guess taking tanks like the Predator Destructor (Autocannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons) would also be useful as they could fill in both anti-tank and anti-infantry roles as the armour is so light.

Like purplefood said Autocannons, Missile Launchers and Heavy Bolters are good for it. I'm not too sure about the Plasma as it's a bit close, but it still works out. Even the Bolt Pistol can destroy a Raider, and every marine seems to have one.

Autocannons are really beautiful thing for wrecking raiders... Try 2xTL autocannon dread... He'll pop one a round... Mostly s7 and s8 weapns will do he trick... Problem is that SM rarely packs enough shots to wipe them very fast...

If you really want to kill them thouroughly take these guys.
Predator
Heavy bolter sponsons

Predator
Heavy bolter sponsons

Predator
Heavy bolter sponsons

Dreadnought
Twin-linked autocannon x 2

Dreadnought
Twin-linked autocannon x 2

Dreadnought
Twin-linked autocannon x 2

That's enough to give an DE a bad day. And most infantry come to think of it. Though your heavy anti-tank wil be severely lacking so not good for an all-comers list.

Don't forget the Master of the Forge.

I like melta guns in drop pods supported at range by rockets, lascannons and Autocannons.

Some would say that melta isn't necessary, but I say that wrecking on a 3+ and exploding on a 4+(and wounding what's inside), and not to mention that a glance on a raider is as good as a pen on most other vehicles. I think that makes melta even more useful to use!

Most DE generals in the know will take flicker fields on their raiders. That means that single shot high strength weapons like lascannon and missile launchers aren't all that effective (ML is similar numbers to taking out rhinos, and Lascannon is actually less effective taking out raiders than rhinos, haven't run the melta numbers, but it isn't good compared to what you would hope for). Where you get into weapons that have a higher probability of taking out FF vehicles is with multiple shots of mid strength weapons. Auto cannons are ideal, but assault cannons, multi lasers, and even heavy bolters are good.

I'm not saying don't take the high strength weapons, as they are still good against all comers, but against DE they don't put up their expected numbers. Shoot the AV 11 (if they brought it) with the S8+, but the AC weapons are better against the rest.

Yes, but it's single shot...

Ofc, melta is never useless... But there are better weapns for that

Well the other thing is that Bolters are also going to be in the melta squad, making your Marines as good against raiders as Necrons Warriors.

And you should have a least 4 combi-meltas (so 2 shots on each raider when you combat squad) and a melta and combi-melta in a tank hunting tactical squad in a pod so if you're running Vulkan (which you should be ) that's at least damaged raiders before you shoot anything else. Flickerfields complicate things a bit, but then I don't leave home without Null Zone either.

The trick to killing those pesky elves is accuracy by volume. since the higher strength weapons will be slightly negated, it requires a bit of a shift in shooting tactics.

i played the new dark dorks at my local store during an apocalypse game and the new rules are prettymuch all about skimmer spam, and massed infantry. the ramming upgrade is insane. he had one skimmer that had a ramming prow, enabling the thing to fly something like 36 inchs, ram a vehicle with all kinds of crazy bonuses, and cause wounds on infantry it passed over with the little hooks and stuff.

those of you that thought you were tired of mech lists have no idea how bad your little wish of "more infantry" is about to come true. once people start spamming dark eldar because it's the "new" army, you'll see it all over the place.

the only hope you really have is to take out all their transports and characters FIRST! otherwise you'll be swamped in hth, and even the wonderful marines will have trouble due to initiative, and numbers.

If you ever play IG Hydras are a great choice for killing DE.

Another option would be to spam as many assault cannon as you can find rather than autocannon. They should be able to down skimmers just about as easily and have a higher RoF for dealing with the crunchy innards afterward. whats the cost difference between assault cannon and autocannon anyway?

I actually run a really funny answer to open topped vehicles. Im Chaos marine player and I use Twin linked heavy flamers to take down these turbo boosting skimmers. I run a heavy flamer in a termicide unit that deep strikes and one on a defiler in the back of my army battle cannoning it up.
I have a friend that likes to turbo boost them all over with chains under them. This is fixed either with a battle cannon or a heavy flammer both ignoring the roll a 6 to hit and the TL heavy flammer rerolls wounds and penetrates (i believe). With Strength 5 thats a glance on 5 and pen on 6


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although i am a CC army so i dont mind if they use them as transports, jsut as long as i kill them after

I agree that the most versatile weapon at destroying DE Raiders would probably be Missile Launchers. They're one of the cheapest Heavy Weapons you can take, and even though the Frag shot won't ignore their armor (IIRC), you're still wounding on a 3+ against the vast majority of their army. Against DE, you want to play a more "Shooty" tactic than assault tactic. Gunlines would be much more effective against them than rushing into CC. Having only played them a couple of times, I can see their best tactic is the massive Raider rush and Infantry spam. Pop their vehicles with your Heavy Weapons, and then blanket their disembarked infantry with blast weapons.

Sternguard Veterans, I've found to be very effective. In my first game, I managed to Drop Pod a full squad of 10 near two groups of 7 DE Jetbikes. I Combat Squaded the unit, and both units of 5 were able to wipe out both groups of Jet Bikers. Pick the right ammunition, and there's little stopping them from doing lots of damage.