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**Jidmah**

BleachHawk wrote:
Nevertheless, the relic would be better if it could be given to a Lord instead.

Sure, but at 55 points he isn't that expensive, in a slot that won't be maxed out often. Extra advance dice also work well with pox walkers, blight launchers and Mortarion.

Not that I'm always assuming a mono-codex force, I doubt any of these things are great enough to rival any of the other top chaos soup ingredients.

**Castozor**

Well I do run mono-dex, but never the blightbringer. I guess I'll try him a few times with that relic and see how it goes, it's not like our relic slots are already stuffed with great choices anyway.

**darthryan**

Having seen how blast weapons work next edition who else thinks flamer type weapons will be blast or have similar rules. Fingers crossed , drones with spitters would become an a++ unit instantly

**lindsay40k**

darthryan wrote:
Having seen how blast weapons work next edition who else thinks flamer type weapons will be blast or have similar rules. Fingers crossed , drones with spitters would become an a++ unit instantly

Personally doubt it, I think the auto-hit niche is distinct from the throw-into-a-crowd niche and likely to remain so

**Atlatl Jones**

I doubt it too, and wouldn’t want it, because that would make drones and PHCs with spitters unable to fire while in combat.

**Nightlord1987**

Blight bombardment just got OP.

**tneva82**

darthryan wrote:
Having seen how blast weapons work next edition who else thinks flamer type weapons will be blast or have similar rules. Fingers crossed , drones with spitters would become an a++ unit instantly

Zero chance. GW already toated flamers in vehicles as excelent in melee. If they were blast they could not be fired while in melee...

Of course this means you are doing your autohits at will in melee.

**broxus**

Anyone found any leaks or previews yet other than what GW put out??

**MrFlutterPie**

Spoiler:

This is from facebook. The guy translated the German leaks to English.

**Drakeslayer**

Jesus there's some good stuff in there! Will take a while to go through all this, but off the top of my head a DP with the Eater Plague warlord trait and the Foul Amulet looks absolutely obnoxious.

Thanks MrFlutterPie for posting this - much food for thought!

**lare2**

There's some outstanding stuff. We got some serious love. First thing that jumped out at me - entropy can be made plague weapons. As someone who loves his 3 entropy PBC, this makes me happy.

**Slayer-Fan123**

A lot of the stuff is garbage and stuff that should've already been standard to begin with. ONE Plague Company gets a Strat for THREE vehicles to give Inexorable Advance too? Pathetic to be honest. LoCs needing a CP to give a reroll they should've been giving?

**BrotherGecko**

I am confused by inexorable advance being able to go on vehicles if PA books are future proofed. Is there anything on DG vehicles that would benefit other than combi-bolters in 9th?

Unless this is evidence of the next Death Guard book having new Inexorable Advance rules. Though the new strats would then be published in that book....

Vehicles should already have it though. Definitely something that was very clearly not future proofed.

Some of the stuff is cool however.

**Jidmah**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
A lot of the stuff is garbage and stuff that should've already been standard to begin with. ONE Plague Company gets a Strat for THREE vehicles to give Inexorable Advance too? Pathetic to be honest. LoCs needing a CP to give a reroll they should've been giving?

Shoo, go to another threat for complain just for the sake of complaining.

**Drakeslayer**

I'm also a bit bemused by the Inexorable Advance on 3 vehicles. At first I looked at my trio of predator annihilators hopefully, and then I remembered they'll be doing that anyway once 9th finally hits...

Still, what I will be doing is giving all three predators DR, and then stacking them with a blightbringer with the Daemon's Toll for some more durable anti-tank. I know it's not good damnit, but I'll run it anyway! (At least once, before I acknowledge it's a terrible idea and move onto something more sensible.)

**Brymm**

I love the chosen sons! I would love it to run that spewer relic!

**Jidmah**

Drakeslayer wrote:
I'm also a bit bemused by the Inexorable Advance on 3 vehicles. At first I looked at my trio of predator annihilators hopefully, and then I remembered they'll be doing that anyway once 9th finally hits...

Still, what I will be doing is giving all three predators DR, and then stacking them with a blightbringer with the Daemon's Toll for some more durable anti-tank. I know it's not good damnit, but I'll run it anyway! (At least once, before I acknowledge it's a terrible idea and move onto something more sensible.)

DG still have the old killshot stratagem, so it's not as terrible as it sounds. Makes sure to keep those three predators alive.

**nfe**

Disgustingly resilient Leviathans!*

*Probably about to get nerfed in the new FW books, but hey ho.

**BleachHawk**

Some nice new toys that will unlock interesting new combos. But a lot of the strats are used to fix inconsistent or lackluster unit entries which seems like very bad game design to me. Why not update some units (for pts increaseses) instead? I guess there is hope they will do this with a new codex early into 9th...

**Sgt. Cortez**

This all sounds pretty awesome. But with all the pregame strats I'm probably starting the battle without command points left so I can hardly use any of it

I see some nice synergies here between the general stratagems/ relics and the company rules. Terminators got a lot of stuff and where already a good unit.

**Jidmah**

I think GW is afraid of changing datasheets outside of codices because they fear invalidating those - a datasheet containing all the rules you need is one of the big improvements of 8th.
So it's not unexpected that they went this route, as they did the same for all the PA that came before.

Personally, I'm not too fond of upgrading a chaos lord either.
However, I used to pay one CP for the relic sword almost every game anyways, so he could fight off melee units that threatened my gunline.
Now I pay the same one CP and 11 points to upgrade my terminator lord to get +1T, disgustingly resilient, nurgles gift (which actually make sense when you defend something) and a man reaper, or an additional 3 points for a plague reaper. That's more than good enough for me.

**Brymm**

I love the idea of upgrading the LoC to get the Lord aura, I hate deep striking in my Chaos Lord with my blight lords for the aura because I feel the Chaos Lord at t4 without DR just sucks. A LoC with both is occasionally useful (and I do mean occasional) mortal wound aura, his super beefy stat line and now his reroll 1s aura, he’s a no brainer. I like it! I don’t think much of this stuff will have a huge impact in high competition but this makes the codex feel like it should have at release, and makes the army a lot more fun for those of us Dg players. Thanks GW!

**Doohicky**

I don't normally have too many CPs in my DG army. I think it's probably a good thing I won't get a game with them again before 9th hits as I would probably have none left before the battle even started in 8th

**buddha**

After reading the leaks a dozen or so times my initial excitement has died off a bit. What has me still happy is a few things.

- Making a 3 PBC castle with upgraded entropy cannons and a Lord with the Poxbringer vectorium 4++ demon engine relic.

- New sword relic for the demon prince. Seriously upgrades the damage output.

- The 5++ bell relic for some footslogging plague marines. Pair with some MBHs and you have a very tough to shift core.

Other than that it's a few quality of life upgrades like the LoC upgrade (which it should have had in the first place) and allowing DR on anything that doesn't have it (rhinos and defilers come to mind). The plague bolter strategem I can see using and the damage reduction in terminators.

Everything else, including vectorium rules just seem so 'eh.'

What are others thoughts?

**Mayple**

With the new Disgustingly Resilient stratagem, some of the Lord of War choices are starting to look real juicy.

A Fellblade with an upgraded Mortarion's Chosen Apothecary running around with a 5+++ (or better with one of the strats I forgot the name of) re-rolling 1s and 2s (if the apothecary applies to vehicles as well) is no joke.

**broxus**

These three gems are pure gold. PBC are stupid hard to kill and very deadly now! Not to mention they can move and shoot their guns with no penalty in 9th.

-1CP Parasitic Fumes: End of Movement phase. Chose a Myphitic Blight Hauler unit. Until end of turn when a friendly model within 7" attacks add 1 to the AP characteristic of its weapons.
-1CP Accelerated Entropy: Pre Battle. Choose a PBC. Until end of battle its entropy cannons and all entropy cannons of PBC within 7" get Plague Weapon, Damagerolls of 1 or 2 count as 3.
-Relic Iron coagulation oven Poxmonger Daemon Engines have a save characteristic of 4++ as long as they are within 7" of a model with this relic

The parasitic fumes is such damage boost for your entire army and so good. It makes MBHs auto includes now (and they get the 4++ which helps keep them alive)

**jivardi**

One of the dudes from Tabletop Titans, Brian, was one of the play testers for 9th edition and he hinted in one of the battle reports that DG are going to be in a pretty good spot in 9th.

So, if he has seen all the rules and played some games with DG and says they are in a good spot than I'm inclined to think he knows what he is talking abut, at least more so than random people on Dakka who know less than 1/2 the rules.

On that same note and not related to DG he did say Tau armies (with multiple detachments and Riptides) are going to be "less powerful" and will require major changes to the list.

**Abaddon303**

The summoning strat for the miserable seems like it'll actually make summoning interesting. 1CP to guarantee getting 8PL unit but on a 2+ your on 9+PL. The Demons codex strat is 2CP for 9+PL.
No chance of perils and you can move and summon. Looks like you don't need the whole daemons detachment for the CP benefits in 9th.
Move a character forwards, summon 12" ahead, decent chance of being able to sit a line of 20 if not 30 plaguebearers 9" in front of your opponents army. Only need an 8 to make the charge and could block in a whole chunk of their army...

**Castozor**

I just wish Demons didn't break our Legion trait tbh, it is so far the only letdown of this PA although I did not honestly expect them to fix it. For me the value would be in infiltrating nurglings pre-game, which summoning just doesn't let me do.
Having said that, I think this PA is pretty encouraging for what a PA can do. Like some said, should some stuff just be baseline rather than strats? Yes but if you thought PA was going to do a lot of unit profile upgrades you were setting yourself up for disappointment from the word go. To me it shows GW listened/noticed some common complaints about our codex and gave us stuff to fix it with PA, and then hopefully do a proper rework when we get our next Codex.

**Abaddon303**

Well we'll have to wait and see what the rest of 9th brings but from what we know at this stage, the DG legion trait is next to useless. I'm not great on the subtleties but if we don't need the legion trait then why not run a mixed nurgle detachment? I think access to stratagems may mean you need a DG detachment too? What about obsec would troops still get that?