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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/14 16:46:22
Subject: 5+ Default Coversave
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I have no problem with the ubiquity of cover saves, only with the degree to which cover effects certain races in an unbalanced way. Since you only get one save, troops with crappy armor benefit far more from cover than troops with good armor. It's almost pointless to pay the premium for Terminator or Power armor as, outside of assault, you're almost always getting a cover save anyway.
Now people play with the table to reduce cover in tournament settings, etc., but how would you feel about reducing the default cover save from 4+ to 5+? This would reduce slightly the benefits of cover, widening the gap between poorly and well armored units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/14 20:42:50
Subject: 5+ Default Coversave
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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I think its a great idea. Cover saves are far too generous as it is, and I say this as a Daemon player!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/14 20:44:32
Subject: 5+ Default Coversave
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Lord of the Fleet
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Yeah, sounds like a good idea.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/14 21:17:01
Subject: 5+ Default Coversave
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'd go for that.
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There's just an acre of you fellas, isn't there? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/14 22:19:49
Subject: 5+ Default Coversave
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Killer Klaivex
Oceanside, CA
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Yup.
I'm a big fan of 5+ cover for half the terrain, with 4+/6+ split between the other half.
You've still got the 4+ cover so some key units, but it's not like everyone and their mother is in 4+ cover.
I lost interest in 40K when cover became so good. I just wasn't a fan of 20 storm guardians w/scatter laser killing a whopping 7 grots with 44 shots; not even enough to force a break test.
-Matt
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 01:01:13
Subject: Re:5+ Default Coversave
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I'm a Guard player who benefits like crazy from the current cover rules.
I would not mind if they were lessened in a way that was of detriment/benefit to everyone.
Just some ideas:
Keep the save for being literally IN cover (ruins, rubble, ect.) the same. (4+)
Change the cover save for being obscured by a friendly unit to 5+ (How are they blocking those saved shots anyway?)
Make craters and other minor terrain 5+ cover.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/18 15:01:49
Subject: Re:5+ Default Coversave
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The idea is basically to downgrade the usefulness of cover by 1 all around:
Fortifications give you a 4+ coversave, ruined buildings and forests give you a 5+, and tall grass gives you a 6+. With these coversaves you would actually get more benefit from going to ground or using camo cloaks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/18 15:15:25
Subject: 5+ Default Coversave
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Not only that, but it would add a little (more or less) realism to our Grim-dark alternate universe.
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Thunderfrog wrote:
+1 Str for like 5 points? To autocannons or assault cannons? Hell yea. Then the Reinforced Aegis upgrade for free AND the ability to ignore stunned shaken.. pretty much for free..
Other Dreadnaughts should just go somewhere and be a toaster.
Mattieu~~~~ It's not that eldar are bad, it's that they require a lot of intergration between units. Also, that doesnt prove anything other than GW has a huge hard-on for marines, and, given the option between making a xeno the best psykers or making a marine the best psyker, they will 9 times out of 10 choose the marine.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Tzeentchling9 wrote:Mephy can't be swept. He is still a marine so he has the, "And They Shall Never Get Removed From The Table After Losing Combat Like Everyone Else Because They Are The Poster Boys" special rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/18 15:35:07
Subject: 5+ Default Coversave
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
Lost in the warp while searching for a new codex
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I agree, cover saves are much too common and good.
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I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/18 16:30:11
Subject: Re:5+ Default Coversave
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Raging Ravener
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My last two games have had every unit (aside from my power armor guys - which was all of them) in a 4+ cover save the whole game. It was beyond stupid.
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