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having read the horus heresy series i thought of this and i wanted to see what all you thaought.

for me, without a doubt magnus. got his kicked and homeworld burned just cuz he tried to help

gotta go with Magnus, though what Russ had to do seems heartbreaking..

Magnus, with lorgar a close second.

Both meant well, but screwed up big time.

I'd say Fulgrim.

The end of that book...

Damn.

None, they turned their backs on us therefore deserve to burn in the Eye of Terror.

Curze because as much as Mgnus didn't deserve what happened to him, he ultimately sealed his own fate by breaking the rules set by the Council of Nikae

Magnus and Curze.

One for trying to do the right thing, only to have several metric gak-tonnes of Grimdark thrown back in his face

The other for his back story and his sense of justice. Plus the Night Lords totally wreck face.

the one you can't think of is Perturabo

Magnus by far. He meant well, got screwed by doing so.

No one has pity for Lorgar?

No. Lorgar weird. >.>
JK.
But people do have pity for him. But I have more pity for Magnus more than Lorgar.

Everyone seems to turn a blind eye to how ignorant and arrogant Magnus was, The Emperor told him no. But Magnus "I'm a big boy now daddy, I do what i want" Attitude is what screwed him. Not trying to do the right thing.

Logar I feel something for, The Emperor could have tried harder to explain things better, Not Not keeping better tabs on him was probably a mistake too.

DA's Forever wrote:Everyone seems to turn a blind eye to how ignorant and arrogant Magnus was, The Emperor told him no. But Magnus "I'm a big boy now daddy, I do what i want" Attitude is what screwed him. Not trying to do the right thing.

Logar I feel something for, The Emperor could have tried harder to explain things better, Not

Spoiler:

Blow up his prize city, Make his legion kneel in the ashes, And tell them, very very bluntly, that everything they have done has been an absolute waste.

Not keeping better tabs on him was probably a mistake too.

That could also be said about horus who is just basically having a big temper tan trim.

Yeah, Horus I feel nothing for whatso ever,

"Dad, I want to Rule."

"I made you the warmaster for Feth's sake! what do you want from me? You just about have all the control."

"I want More!"

DA's Forever wrote:Yeah, Horus I feel nothing for whatso ever,

"Dad, I want to Rule."

"I made you the warmaster for Feth's sake! what do you want from me? You just about have all the control."

"I want More!"

Yeah basically sums it up quite nicely.

DA's Forever wrote:Everyone seems to turn a blind eye to how ignorant and arrogant Magnus was, The Emperor told him no. But Magnus "I'm a big boy now daddy, I do what i want" Attitude is what screwed him. Not trying to do the right thing.

Agreed. He knew what he was doing long before Nikaea. The deal he made with Chaos to save his Legion proved that.

I feel worse for his Legion than I do for him.

Horus, reverted to a child like state in my opinion, from all the special attention he got (from Big E), but as they found more Primachs he wasn't special anymore and wanted to be THE UBERZ PRIMACH!!!111!!!eleven!

But on the Flip side, If the Emporer would have payed more attention to ALL of them, Things would be very different i belive

They can all burn for turning their backs on the Emperor
Although I do feel bad for Alpharius and his twin.

Magnus, because not only was he controlled like a puppet on strings, but by the end he knew it and his spirit must have been utterly crushed.

Pertrabo, his legion was frequently overlooked for battle honors in favor of the other legions after joint operations, then had the "Glorious" Duty of supervising illiterate peasants while the other legions gained more honor and glory at the forefront of the great crusade.

One thing i don't understand, is why were the Iron Warriors were earmarked for garrison duty in the first place. Space Marines were created as offensive weapons, like swords, sure you can block an attack with a sword, but a shield would be much better suited.

Angron. All he wants to do is kill, and he was anger issues.

In all seriousness though, I kinda feel soory for all of them, since Chaos isn't exactly a nice crowd.

None, they're all filthy heretic traitors.

Magnus seemed to have the most tragedy by it and came off as genuinely being betrayed by the Imperium whilst the rest just had their more own selfish reasons.

Harriticus wrote:Magnus seemed to have the most tragedy by it and came off as genuinely being betrayed by the Imperium whilst the rest just had their more own selfish reasons.

DA's Forever wrote:Everyone seems to turn a blind eye to how ignorant and arrogant Magnus was, The Emperor told him no. But Magnus "I'm a big boy now daddy, I do what i want" Attitude is what screwed him. Not trying to do the right thing.

Pity for traitors? :spits on thread:

Monster Rain wrote:Agreed. He knew what he was doing long before Nikaea. The deal he made with Chaos to save his Legion proved that.

I feel worse for his Legion than I do for him.

Utterly correct in every way.

Manchu wrote:Pity for traitors? :spits on thread:

Monster Rain wrote:Agreed. He knew what he was doing long before Nikaea. The deal he made with Chaos to save his Legion proved that.

I feel worse for his Legion than I do for him.

Utterly correct in every way.

Whats worse is after the Emperor tells magnus that he knows of the web way and tells him to stop i has great plans for you, HE STILL DOESN'T! The greatest psyker ever tells you he has plan for you, you listen!

Alpharius because he converted to chaos to save the universe from the chaos gods iirc

Angron, have you guys read 'After Desh'ea'? It describes how the Emperor forced Angron to abandon all his friends and comrades on the eve of battle, dooming them to be slaughtered. Even though he pleaded to fight and die with his comrades, the Emperor was all like 'Nuh-uh, you gotta go fight this Crusade for me, forgot those savage primitive friends of yours.' Which led a deep and consuming anger and sense of betrayal that made him turn traitor eventually.

Of all the traitor primarchs I think Angron's turning could have been the easiest to avoid, or at least made to turn out a different. Angron's enemies only had black powder level tech, the Emperor could have blasted them from orbit. Or since Angron respected martial prowess above all other things, why not FIGHT ALONGSIDE him and win his everlasting loyalty.

rabidaskal wrote:Angron, have you guys read 'After Desh'ea'? It describes how the Emperor forced Angron to abandon all his friends and comrades on the eve of battle, dooming them to be slaughtered. Even though he pleaded to fight and die with his comrades, the Emperor was all like 'Nuh-uh, you gotta go fight this Crusade for me, forgot those savage primitive friends of yours.' Which led a deep and consuming anger and sense of betrayal that made him turn traitor eventually.

Of all the traitor primarchs I think Angron's turning could have been the easiest to avoid, or at least made to turn out a different. Angron's enemies only had black powder level tech, the Emperor could have blasted them from orbit. Or since Angron respected martial prowess above all other things, why not FIGHT ALONGSIDE him and win his everlasting loyalty.

Again assuring my point of "Keep an eye on your Angsty, Mutated, Angry, Emo, Over-zealous, Cry-baby Children ferchrissakes!!"

It's Magnus no question. I can't imagine any of the other Primarchs being as screwed over as he was. First by the Chaos Gods, then the Emperor, then by Horus.