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**leopard**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Guyver 3 wrote:
A crusader and a gallant both fully loaded with Melta and carapace weapons is cheaper than a single stompa!

Need I say more?

Stompas can benefit for Kustom Force Fields, and have a healthy perimeter of Boyz to prevent really nasty stuff assaulting them. They also block LoS for other units in their army really quite nicely. Ork armies tend to do pretty well when it comes down to Objectives. It can also be backed up with cheapo Deff Dredds and Kans.

Do you see the fundamental difference between the two armies yet?

For clarity. Nobody is saying the Stompa is correctly or fairly pointed. Just that comparing an Imperial Knight to a Stompa doesn’t work.

Except back in the dim and slightly damp past when they were both first introdcued in 1st edition Space Marine they were intended to be pretty similar, GW appears to have confused the stompa with the Slasha Gargant and priced it like a small titan.

i don't want the Stompa to be a knight with some green paint, but I do want it to be sensible.

**Guyver 3**

leopard wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Guyver 3 wrote:
A crusader and a gallant both fully loaded with Melta and carapace weapons is cheaper than a single stompa!

Need I say more?

Stompas can benefit for Kustom Force Fields, and have a healthy perimeter of Boyz to prevent really nasty stuff assaulting them. They also block LoS for other units in their army really quite nicely. Ork armies tend to do pretty well when it comes down to Objectives. It can also be backed up with cheapo Deff Dredds and Kans.

Do you see the fundamental difference between the two armies yet?

For clarity. Nobody is saying the Stompa is correctly or fairly pointed. Just that comparing an Imperial Knight to a Stompa doesn’t work.

Except back in the dim and slightly damp past when they were both first introdcued in 1st edition Space Marine they were intended to be pretty similar, GW appears to have confused the stompa with the Slasha Gargant and priced it like a small titan.

i don't want the Stompa to be a knight with some green paint, but I do want it to be sensible.

I’m happy that the stompa is an unreliable upside down bucket with guns. I’d just love to field it as easily as imperial players field a Castellan but that’s not the case,

**leopard**

Unreliable doesn't bother me, nor really does random, indeed seems fitting for orks.

certainly don't want it to be a "must take", just would like it not to be a liability

**lord_blackfang**

Ryza pattern Ork Mekshop

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/21/next-week-the-codex-youve-been-waiting-for/

**zanzibarthefirst**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/21/next-week-the-codex-youve-been-waiting-for/

mek workshop is nice.

Ninja’d.

Return of Marbo is cool too.

**tneva82**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll stop you there.

Stompa can come with a border of same faction infantry. Knights don’t. So that affects the sorts of armies you can build.

Wraithknights? Somewhere between the two in terms of infantry.

So where Imperial Knights will struggle to control objectives, Stompas and Wraithknights don’t, because they come in specific codecies.

Now that’s not to say the Stompa is actually fine and fairly pointed. Just that one can’t compare Super Heavy A to Super Heavy Z so neatly.

Uuh stompa has lot better support than stompa. Boyz? Howabout ig troopers? Slamquinus? Custodes shield captain? In terms of army building knights beat stompas big time

**leopard**

oh that looks nice, reminds me of the Tamiya sets for WW2 tank mechanics, just needs a base adding to taste, but that I like

**Haighus**

Ooooh. I like that! Some Necromunda potential there too.

**tneva82**

greggles wrote:
As for the playtesters for our 8th edition codex. Well we don't know what the official verdict is yet and we don't even know what they have said beyond hearsay. But I have to tell you, so far the Ork playtesters are terrible in 8th and it will take a LOT of change in the codex for me to change my opinion on them and GW in general.

There is a lot of collaboration now between the testers and rules writers. This didn't exist prior to 8th. It gets a little better with each release. However, even with hundreds of testers (I don't know the exact number, but its impossible to have enough), the thousands of actual players will quickly find ways to exploit and loophole their way to maximum efficiency. It's just a numbers game. It's part of the reason they are now trying the "Beta" codex in CA for sisters. Trying to see if putting it out there to the overall community + testers + multiple teams of rules writers = a balanced system.

You realize right that playtesters themselves have said their role is less than players think?

We don#t live in utopia. Gw doesn't even want balance as it hurts their profits

**lord_blackfang**

That Mek shop will be an absolute joy to measure to/from

**tneva82**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Guyver 3 wrote:
A crusader and a gallant both fully loaded with Melta and carapace weapons is cheaper than a single stompa!

Need I say more?

Stompas can benefit for Kustom Force Fields, and have a healthy perimeter of Boyz to prevent really nasty stuff assaulting them. They also block LoS for other units in their army really quite nicely. Ork armies tend to do pretty well when it comes down to Objectives. It can also be backed up with cheapo Deff Dredds and Kans.

Do you see the fundamental difference between the two armies yet?

For clarity. Nobody is saying the Stompa is correctly or fairly pointed. Just that comparing an Imperial Knight to a Stompa doesn’t work.

Knights have superior kff built in and can have healthy perimeter of ig. Point is? Stompa has inferior inv save and chaff? Makes stompa even worse.

**leopard**

tneva82 wrote:
greggles wrote:
As for the playtesters for our 8th edition codex. Well we don't know what the official verdict is yet and we don't even know what they have said beyond hearsay. But I have to tell you, so far the Ork playtesters are terrible in 8th and it will take a LOT of change in the codex for me to change my opinion on them and GW in general.

There is a lot of collaboration now between the testers and rules writers. This didn't exist prior to 8th. It gets a little better with each release. However, even with hundreds of testers (I don't know the exact number, but its impossible to have enough), the thousands of actual players will quickly find ways to exploit and loophole their way to maximum efficiency. It's just a numbers game. It's part of the reason they are now trying the "Beta" codex in CA for sisters. Trying to see if putting it out there to the overall community + testers + multiple teams of rules writers = a balanced system.

You realize right that playtesters themselves have said their role is less than players think?

We don#t live in utopia. Gw doesn't even want balance as it hurts their profits

thing is though, you would think they would want to know, roughly, where the balance is, if only so they can abuse that knowledge to make new models appealing

**PiñaColada**

The mek shop looks nice, but it's a bit less of a model than I expected so to speak. I don't know why, but I imagined it more like a proper building. This looks cool but is not functional as terrain in 8th really (if the actual rules for the mek shop were to suck)

**leopard**

lord_blackfang wrote:
That Mek shop will be an absolute joy to measure to/from

Sod that, without a base can you imagine transporting it?

**tneva82**

They donmt need to know where balance is exactly to know how to change current meta. Change things regardless of balance and meta change'

Swinging unbalance around is easy

**Haighus**

I've just realised the back wall is in the same style as the Moonbase Klaisus stuff, so it would fit in well with that, and the new Ork barricades.

**Kanluwen**

That Mek Shop is great. I hear the commentary about it not having a base and whatnot, I kinda feel like it's meant to 'plug in' with existing terrain to an extent.

Love the cover for the limited edition bit.

**lord_blackfang**

So, those of you keeping track, which batch of rumours gets confrmed by the Mek shop and did they say anything else of note that we haven't seen yet?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Tempted by the workshop to convert for Necromunda.

**Crimson**

PiñaColada wrote:
The mek shop looks nice, but it's a bit less of a model than I expected so to speak. I don't know why, but I imagined it more like a proper building.

Yeah, same. Still a nice kit though.

**lord_blackfang**

PiñaColada wrote:
The mek shop looks nice, but it's a bit less of a model than I expected so to speak. I don't know why, but I imagined it more like a proper building. This looks cool but is not functional as terrain in 8th really (if the actual rules for the mek shop were to suck)

Kromlech got your back

https://bitsofwar.com/home/717-orc-kustom-workshop.html

**Perfect Organism**

lord_blackfang wrote:
So, those of you keeping track, which batch of rumours gets confrmed by the Mek shop and did they say anything else of note that we haven't seen yet?

Kirioth's video (which was already confirmed by the wartrike, scrapjet and squig-buggy) and just the clan traits haven't been confirmed by GW.

**PiñaColada**

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/10/40k-meet-the-racers-of-speed-freeks-part-i.html Part 1
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/10/40k-meet-the-racers-of-speed-freeks-part-ii.html Part 2

I don't know if we've seen the fluff of all the new buggies before. I think they just had the kustom boosta-blasta and the shokkjump dragsta in the warhammer community article. They're all good fun

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

where are the mek shop pix ?

(senses self being drawn back in....)

**Ghaz**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
where are the mek shop pix ?

(senses self being drawn back in....)

Near the top of this page...

**lord_blackfang**

Some number of Mek shops and Speed Freeks barricades will totally be packaged as a Kill Zone at some point.

**rollawaythestone**

That workshop is really quite cool.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Ghaz wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
where are the mek shop pix ?

(senses self being drawn back in....)

Near the top of this page...

Yes, I failed. Thanks for the assistance.

Very cute. I can see my Buzzgob hanging out there.

**Crimson**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Some number of Mek shops and Speed Freeks barricades will totally be packaged as a Kill Zone at some point.

I certainly hope so!

**leopard**

Seems something missing from the mek shop, occurred to me (finally)

where is the mek? and also the grots?

would seem a perfect box to put a big-mek and some grot oilers in, either on the frames or as a separate frame, thus a mek/big mek in plastic available at last