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Luke_Prowler wrote:Yes, clearly the only way I win is because I only fight against weaker foes, not because of tactics or proper use of terrain and deployment. I'll admit I don't play tournament levels, because I don't like playing against WAAC gamers who has an ego to stroke (and I apologize to those who aren't like that, but those kind of guys ruin the game for me).

So you argue the "Ard" nature of Grey Knight CC, yet freely admit that you dont have the wide and competetive base of tournament gamers to draw experience from?

You just neutered your entire arguement there bra.

Just because your the big fish in your little pond don't go thinking that things are the same all over.

I beleive Deadshane went undefeated at Adepticon 09 using this army.....

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Deadshane1%27s_Grey_Knights_%2709

...and these tactics...

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=101214

...pretty much the ONLY Grey Knight tactica ever put out that meant anything.

Oh, wait...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/SO_YOU_WANNA_PLAY_PURE_GREY_KNIGHTS:_a_tactica_for_the_masochistic

...written by DS while giving credit to the above "water warrior" tactica. Both are a little dated considering the 5e game today, BUT suggest that he might know what he's talking about given that he's a tourney player with a wide base of opponents to draw experience from and enough interest in Grey Knights to write his own tactica.



...what have you done besides play some local yocals?

As for the rest of you guys that think Grey Knights are a HtH force to be feared. You all make me laugh, you need to get out and play some 40k....against someone other than your 9yo brother.

Commander Endova wrote:
Have you read the FNP rules? All of those units can take a plethora of weapons that can negate FNP, so it's largely irrelevant.

Have you played 40k? You DO know that FNP is one of the things that makes units badass at HtH right? Blood Angel Sanguinary High priests, Death Company, Marine Biker Command Squads, Nob Bikers, Incubi with a pain token, what do all these scary HtH units have in common? How surprising! FNP!

He's comparing Grey Knight HtH ability against those units...not pitting them against them. You're taking what he said out of context.

Stop your misdirection and quit pretending that FNP isnt important to HtH units, that notion is just ridiculous.

Yes, because a platform with various configurations of 2 heavy weapons, and S8 AP1 missiles, and optional defensive weapons, with POTMS, has no value in a shooting army.

It's an Assault Transport...with guns. If you're not using it as such you're using it wrong. It's main ability is to quickly deploy a dread and a squad in an enemies face...sometimes after moving flat out.