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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/26/dungeons-dragons-threatens-prison-security-court-rules/#

Well just a little article of interest. The main jist of it is this, "cooperative games can mimic the organization of gangs and lead to the actual development thereof." So next time you see a D&D gang member walking around peddling dungeon maps on the street corner, tell them about 40k or fantasy and help keep them out of jail!

God bless America...

Better hope they don't play Space Hulk - that game clearly teaches corridor fighting tactics that would be invaluable in a prison riot.

Assuming the inmates had managed to smuggle in a few stormbolters, that is.

The next thing you know, Litko's web site will be banned.

This is kidnda old news. The basic gist is that the game puts one person (The Dungeon Master) in a position of authority over other prisoners. This is something that is not allowed in a prison environment.

What about the Governor?

This is kidnda old news

Which is why I didn't put it in the news and rumors section!

I think I've seen some of these stories before as well, but they never cease to remind me why I should never do anything dumb enough to send me to jail: No hobby time!

Well, technically Warhammer wouldn't run afoul of that ruling as there is no 'leader' in a game of Warhammer. Both players are on equal footing.

Well I assumed I wouldn't have space for a 6X4 table, or be allowed to play with hobby knives and spray paint, lol!

Fox News spreading misinformation and kneejerk reactions? Why I never!

This is old news.

So essentially people looking to form social groups and develop self esteem and feel like they contribute positively as well as read lots of stuff... sounds like a buncha thugs all right!

Brother SRM wrote:Fox News spreading misinformation and kneejerk reactions? Why I never!

Well I wondered if anyone would notice where I found it.

What misinformation though? Now you've got my curiosity spiked.

It is just so prisoners don't get ideas about crafting a +1 shiv and going to kill the "cave" rats

SilverMK2 wrote:It is just so prisoners don't get ideas about crafting a +1 shiv and going to kill the "cave" rats

Look, it's either kill the cave rats or end up worshiping father nurgle.

Thats just too funny!

You know, I am no fan of Fox News, and think the very name is an oxymoron. It's an entertainment organization that happens to riff on current events, in my opinion. However, reading through that article, it seemed to me that they were takin the piss out of the judiciary system more than anything else. Seemed to me Fox was of the opinion that they had better things to do in the court system than wrangle about the repercutions of letting a prison bitch play D&D.

I love how people always denigrate Fox News, but never say anything about ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC or CNN....which are the exact same, just for the left.

I played DnD with a guy who learned how to play in prison. He was not a bad player, but we used a battleboard with figures, and on his turn he would have to get up, walk around the table, stand at the board, decide what to do, walk back to his place....announce a power attack for 1, and then roll a d12 to hit. I quit the group for the rest of the gaming season over that behavior.

Heh come to think of it....the guy also got into painting 40K figures and was pretty good at it. He used to sit next to Dave Taylor of GW fame when Taylor was hobbying in the local GW store.

I played D&D before it was cool.

How are they going to stop people from playing storytelling games? I knew a kid who spent most of his early teenage years in juvie and he said they all played D&D together, and yeah fights broke out over it too, but fights break out over lunch seating in places like that for feths sake. You didn't have the books or dice you just made up rules. The only way to stop people from participating in role playing activities is to disallow talking. Kids in juvie made do with playing cards and paper and pencils. Next thing they'll start debating whether or not to disallow bibles because it encourages fighting against the authority figures of your time (plus if its heavy enough it could be used as a weapon!) I'd rather the pecking order be established by who is Dungeonmaster than by who kicks whos ass when the guard turns his back.

if i was running a prison as warden, the gang of LEAST concern to me would be the one with nerdy kids that models themselves after a d&d adventuring group. the jail simply wanted to screw over that particular felon (which may have been warranted... who knows) and used d&d as the excuse (a rather weak one).

Like I said in the other thread, I doubt D&D is really a serious threat like the prison tries to make it out to be. Banning it for that reason seems pretty stupid to me.

On the other hand, I'm against murderers and rapists (and other violent criminals) being allowed to have luxuries in prison.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:God bless America...

Better hope they don't play Space Hulk - that game clearly teaches corridor fighting tactics that would be invaluable in a prison riot.

Assuming the inmates had managed to smuggle in a few stormbolters, that is.

You have that the wrong way around

Space Hulk teaches the inmates how large numbers of fast moving vicious hand to hand combatants can over come a small number of gun armed adversaries, in a sequence of narrow corridors.

Orlanth wrote:You have that the wrong way around

Space Hulk teaches the inmates how large numbers of fast moving vicious hand to hand combatants can over come a small number of gun armed adversaries, in a sequence of narrow corridors.

General Hobbs wrote:I love how people always denigrate Fox News, but never say anything about ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC or CNN....which are the exact same, just for the left.

If you think that is true then you aren't paying attention. It does help that most of those other news shows actually aren't as quite as ideologically driven as Fox. Or as delusional. MSNBC is pretty close though. Still, all them have been under scrutiny before.

Wow really?

As a former corrections officer, this is a bunch of crap.

Im happy to see guys in prison playing D&D for a few reasons.

1-It occupies them. theyre not making trouble while doing it.
2-It provides a reason to behave- since in lock downs you cant get d&d books
3-It means theyre literate and can motivate them to read. There are ALOT of illiterate inmates...
4-Escapism- its lets them take thier imagination some place else- something Im sure most of us can relate to

Gotta love America's prison system.

D&D? Heck no.
Rehab? Heck no.
Gang rape? Who cares, they're prisoners.

America: Fixing All the Wrong Things.

Obligatory repetition of something negative I've heard someone else say about Fox News.

Okay, with that out of the way, this is just plain foolishness.

I'm surprised no one has posted this little bit of hilarity yet.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP

DND is witchcraft!

well before i rob someone i always roll to see if they can see me, ( night fight rules) i notrmally role a 1 auto fail

Mistress of minis wrote:As a former corrections officer, this is a bunch of crap.

Im happy to see guys in prison playing D&D for a few reasons.

1-It occupies them. theyre not making trouble while doing it.
2-It provides a reason to behave- since in lock downs you cant get d&d books
3-It means theyre literate and can motivate them to read. There are ALOT of illiterate inmates...
4-Escapism- its lets them take thier imagination some place else- something Im sure most of us can relate to

I've talked to several other CO's and they all said basically the same thing.

micahaphone wrote:I'm surprised no one has posted this little bit of hilarity yet.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP

DND is witchcraft!

It has been mentioned before, several times.

Oh yay, our beautiful judicial system once again doing our country proud. Seriously, I can see more benefits out of this than anything else....I mean, while they're busy arguing over whether or not they rolled high enough to parry the orc's sword they're not getting together to form prison gangs, and their not plotting to escape. If I were a warden, I'd rather all my prisoners be nerds and geeks gaming rather than hardened gangbangers....

On the topic of Fox News though, all media has a bias, some are more obvious about it than others though, but in this case I don't think it's that big a deal. Fox is just reporting on what happened, and if anything they're on the 'And these are the noble purposes your tax dollars go to folks!' side than the 'We have nobly stopped a secret plot' side.