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Hello dakka

Whilst reading the gw website today I notcied the new armageddon scenario download, when I read it I got quite mad beacuse guard only have one third of the book and blood angles have one third, yarrick and his guard did much more than dante imo and armageddon should be remembered for the epic clash of gazghul and yarrick not gazghul and dante.

After that I remembered this months white dwarf is almost all blood angel, and for the last few weeks gw has shoved blood angels so far down our throats not even grotsnik would be able to get them out. I currently play orks and ultramarines (though I do have other armies) and I put my ultramarines after I agreed to a game vs blood angels and the first thing the blood angel player said when he saw my blue armoured ultras was "noob" even though I've had them for four years whilst he only started blood angels six months ago, then I looked round the store and six out of ten players had blood angels.

Now i'm thinking enough is enough, I hope gw stops bending ove backwards for blood angels, i am extremly board of them and imo they have a stupid backround (the only chapter that can't handdle their primrch dying).

Anyway I am curious to know weather anyone else is really sick and tired of blood angels ?

Actually the blood angels were crucial to the Armaggeddon war. But yes I agree they are shoving it down our throats.

Wow, sounds like the situation I had when wolves came out in my area. Don't worry, it'll pass eventually, it always does. I haven't personally been drowned in blood angels. Actually the only people who play them are a guy who used to play with the old pdf and myself, but only on the off occasions where I'm sick of playing vanilla marines (Which is almost never) since my chapter uses almost the same paint scheme as Blood Angels. (I swear I didn't know when I started painting them red and yellow.)

Im not tired of facing them as i havent yet but im annoyed at how there over shadowing everything, i mean DE got redone and BA comes out and DE again are forgoten about (i dont even like DE lol). I am starting to want the smurfs back every were i look, least there annoying blue is easier on the eyes/

I agree de should be more popular than ba. I didn't mind the space mole
ves beacuse they were only around for a few months. with ba they have been on the website for almost a year and then get a second wave so they will be there for another year .

oh and gloomygrim, its terrible to play them beacuse every d***head has mephiston or a stormraven or somthing.

gw really got down on their knees and sucked the blood angels (well you get the idea). Their codex is so overpowered

Both the Space Wolf and Blood Angel Codex (especially the BA) are or have units and rules that are just plain ridiculous. I agree whole heartedly that the Armageddon Campaign should surround the Guard way more then the Twilight Marines. But then again the Space Marines in general are GW's golden boys and will get all the attention and i dont expect that to change anytime soon.

I personally can't wait till Chaos comes around as the Flavor of the Year army. I can't wait to gain even more favor with the Gods after eliminating my fellow "champions" of Chaos.

Having said that, those Dark Eldar do sound pretty sexy, might have to look into them....

Yes they are gw's golden boys but there are not many ultramarine players and tons of blood angel players

Its the same with skaven...

You can thank grey knights for the BA second wave. They should have released stormravens and new dreadnoughts along with the initial BA release, but instead they wanted to tie it in near the GK release, thus the BA resurgence.
If you think Meph is cheesey, consider he costs as much as a land raider, so he's a big chunk of points that is relatively easy to get rid off. Multi-charge Meph with your strongest unit, focus fire the unit you multicharged with, obliterate them and make your opponent lose the combat. Now Meph has to take a leadership test at a big point negative, and you run him off the board. This will really butt hurt the BA player, and you'll wallow in how good it feels.
But yeah, wait for the flavor of the month to pass, GW will change their golden boy every few months. Personally I was tired of all the skaven crap, I think they should market 40k and fantasy independently.

One thing about the 3rd Battle for Armageddon, the Black Templars and the Salamanders were the two chapters involved in the bulk of the fighting.

The blood angels may have been involved, but to a far lesser extent.

I completely agree with the OP 100%.

moonshine wrote:Hello dakka

Whilst reading the gw website today I notcied the new armageddon scenario download, when I read it I got quite mad beacuse guard only have one third of the book and blood angles have one third, yarrick and his guard did much more than dante imo and armageddon should be remembered for the epic clash of gazghul and yarrick not gazghul and dante.

After that I remembered this months white dwarf is almost all blood angel, and for the last few weeks gw has shoved blood angels so far down our throats not even grotsnik would be able to get them out. I currently play orks and ultramarines (though I do have other armies) and I put my ultramarines after I agreed to a game vs blood angels and the first thing the blood angel player said when he saw my blue armoured ultras was "noob" even though I've had them for four years whilst he only started blood angels six months ago, then I looked round the store and six out of ten players had blood angels.

Now i'm thinking enough is enough, I hope gw stops bending ove backwards for blood angels, i am extremly board of them and imo they have a stupid backround (the only chapter that can't handdle their primrch dying).

Anyway I am curious to know weather anyone else is really sick and tired of blood angels ?

Greetings and welcome to 40k, where there will always be players who switch to the most competitive armies, and laugh at those who do not, because they don't like to take the challenge of beating the 'top-tier armies' with a 'under-powered list'.

While I can understand your frustration at the lack of space dedicated to the Imperial Guard (I can agree with this, as I would think the Blood Angels would get a decent amount for scenarios dedicated to the Second War, not the Third), they're riding on the Second Wave of Blood Angels, and thus want to promote the new models as much as possible...every new Blood Angel player is a Stormraven or two sold, or at least that's GW's thinking. I'm sure any who dislikes seeing an army constantly promoted to this level will be just as tired of the Grey Knights in a few months, and then whatever update they make next.

Blood Angels have got some rather ridiculous-sounding rules, but the fluff only became so bad in the last codex, when they let M. Ward write it.

liam0404 wrote:One thing about the 3rd Battle for Armageddon, the Black Templars and the Salamanders were the two chapters involved in the bulk of the fighting.

The blood angels may have been involved, but to a far lesser extent.

I completely agree with the OP 100%.

The 3rd battle for Armageddon has every chapter who wants to make a name for themselves.

I used to like Blood Angels a lot but GW jumped the shark with their latest codex. Just too much weird and new stuff that doesn't really fit with my old ideas of Blood Angels. I'm fine with them being used in advertising more though; they've got a pleasing color scheme.


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I used to like Blood Angels a lot but GW jumped the shark with their latest codex. Just too much weird and new stuff that doesn't really fit with my old ideas of Blood Angels. I'm fine with them being used in advertising more though; they've got a pleasing color scheme. GW is pushing them a lot in newsletters, I'll admit though.

Sounds like someone has the Black Rage...

Don't worry, soon grey knights shall have their time, and we won't have to see blood angels all over the place.

Brother SRM wrote:
I used to like Blood Angels a lot but GW jumped the shark with their latest codex. Just too much weird and new stuff that doesn't really fit with my old ideas of Blood Angels.

This is sort of how I feel as well. I didn't mind BA's really too much previously, but, much like SM's in general, they got progressively more derpy and their latest book is just awful to try and read through in terms of fiction

For what has always been a rather codex-adherent chapter, suddenly Mephiston is on par with Hive Tyrants and Bloodthirsters in terms of combat ability, and the army gets all sorts of random,wacky,unnecessary rules/wargear/units that exist only to justify the existence of a separate book and really diverge from nearly two decades of established background.

GW has unfortunately done quite a lot to spoil Space Marines in general for me since I first started the hobby. BA's aren't unique in this regard, but are fairly exemplary of why.

Meh. Jump packs are cool, so I build my marines around the codex (although fluff wise, they're about as far from BA as you can get, and are descended from the Imperial Fists...).

The fluff is absolutely horrible though.

I am going to use Codex: Blood Angels to relaunch my Coyote Knights chapter, since the C:SM rules have chaged enough to invalidate my entire force from the last time I worked on it. So BA rules using SW models and a nice dark blue paint scheme. Death Company becomes Dreamraiders, Reclusiarch becomes Shaman, and off I go...

As stated above the next codex launch will supersede the BA hype. I personally like the attention each army gets with the codex launch.

It sounds like in most of the posts that there are more BA players than any other army. This is not true with our local 40K community. Out of maybe 30 gamers only 2 play BA. We have more Eldar and Vanilla Marines than any other armies.

Is this unusual? Are the BA ubiquitous everywhere else?

moonshine wrote:I agree de should be more popular than ba. I didn't mind the space mole
ves beacuse they were only around for a few months. with ba they have been on the website for almost a year and then get a second wave so they will be there for another year .

oh and gloomygrim, its terrible to play them beacuse every d***head has mephiston or a stormraven or somthing.

gw really got down on their knees and sucked the blood angels (well you get the idea). Their codex is so overpowered

IS that mephiston dude so hard? His model looks complete turd lol. id just ghaz and nob him to death (not in a literal sense mind lol)

The storm raven im looking forward to blowing to bits and seing its effect on my orks. less it has twin linked plasma cannons or some over powered crap like that lol.

IMHO all space marine armies could play by one codex -> Codex Space Marines (with the possible addition of a _small_ compendium of special characters and units for separate chapters).

The Imperial Guard play by one codex and there are lots of different planets. Eldar play by one codex and have lots of different craftworlds. Tyranids do and there are different hive fleets.

Of course GW earns way too much money on space marines so this will never happen. I at least agree with the OP, and Im tired of seeing all different SM codexes.

BA's seem to generate the same feelings now as Space Wolves did back in the mid 90's.

OP, you've taken the first step towards the Light side of the force. Just a little bit further to go. Once you realize that it's not just Blood Angels, it's every last cookie cutter, 'special snowflake' chapter of dudes in power armor with bolters and chainswords you'll be the rest of the way there. As has been said in this very thread, before Blood Angels it was Space Wolves doing the exact same thing and after Blood Angels it will be Grey Knights. There will always be some crap-tastic King-of-the-hill chapter of Cheese Marines and they will always be the one that suddenly everybody loved all along with their grey-plastic-marines proxy armies.

Fafnir wrote:Meh. Jump packs are cool, so I build my marines around the codex (although fluff wise, they're about as far from BA as you can get, and are descended from the Imperial Fists...).

The fluff is absolutely horrible though.

Great mind clearly think alike

SumYungGui wrote:OP, you've taken the first step towards the Light side of the force. Just a little bit further to go. Once you realize that it's not just Blood Angels, it's every last cookie cutter, 'special snowflake' chapter of dudes in power armor with bolters and chainswords you'll be the rest of the way there. As has been said in this very thread, before Blood Angels it was Space Wolves doing the exact same thing and after Blood Angels it will be Grey Knights. There will always be some crap-tastic King-of-the-hill chapter of Cheese Marines and they will always be the one that suddenly everybody loved all along with their grey-plastic-marines proxy armies.

Hey, some of us remain true to our chapters! Besides, templars own blood angels

I agree with what most other people have said. I read looked at the war for armageddon in more detail, It should have been the second war, and it would have still be ba themed, salamanders stopping thousands of orks from getting across a bridge so civilians can get to safety is so much cooler than tycho getting hit in the face by an ork weirdoy.
As for gk i'm not sure they will shut ba up the de only lasted a few months

Greetings moonshine,

you're right and yet you're wrong since you're missing a basic point here.

For every player like you or anyone else who may gets sucked deeper in this game, making a real hobby out of it, there are 10 other players who, knowing nothing, start by buying like 400€/350£/550$ worth of miniatures at the beginning because someone told them that "this army is the strongest/coolest/whatever" only to get bored a couple games later - or even without having ever played! - and give up.

Since for GW Warhammer 40K - as well as their other products - is just "a product", and since you sell said product via clever marketing ways, it's not unnatural to witness such an epidemic in BA or "best-of-the-moment" armies sales.

And while you may argue that they're not "the best right now", many others would just follow the current started by GW's massive marketing campaign.

I'm not saying that everyone who owns said army is a sheep but the majority, yes.

To reply to your original question: Yes, I'm tired of seeing space marines everywhere, be them blue, red, yellow or whatever.

Regards

edit: folks you should really tell me if I write gibberish!

Thanks grog, some ba players are great (the ones who played the pdf for a few years). I don't mind normal marines if there done well or themed e.i crimson fists with sternguard or raven guard with assult marines. I play ultramarines but only beacuse I love they're fluff, I like painting them and beacuse I enjoy playing lists with what looks cool. to be honest you see more ba than ultras now

moonshine wrote:to be honest you see more ba than ultras now

You sure do but only because GW's efforts were all concentrated on selling Ultramarines before.

My opinion is, however, biased; in my country, and more especially in my town, this game isn't as spread as it's in the UK or USA thus resulting in people being more "market-driven".

Have a nice day