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Hey everyone, I recently came across a special situation that I had no idea how to rule.

The fateweaver was on the table, and fired a weapon at a building with some models inside. Building blows up and results in ruins.

However, the fateweaver wanted to then use a template weapon power on the now exposed units. Was this possible? Was the shot resolved against the units per normal flamer rules or was it per the rules for firing templates into buildings?

Thanks! I'm kinda stumped.

All shooting is at the same time. You have to declare where each shot is targeted before shooting. So no he couldn't flame the unit after the building blew up since he was targeting the building, and not able to target the unit. Same as if you where sooting a Rhino with a unit in it.

but they do have a special ruling that allow them addition target. To be honest, I would think it would go under the same thought process as a Power of the Machine Spirit.

here is how i see it, You declare you are shooting the building, then say "if the building is destroyed, i am shooting unit" if you failed to kill the building, i would say the second shot is lost. this is all opinion though, but i hope it helps

No. You declare all shooting at the same time. Just like you cannot have the blue scribes pavane a unit into a cluster and then breath of chaos them to death.

Somnicide wrote:No. You declare all shooting at the same time. Just like you cannot have the blue scribes pavane a unit into a cluster and then breath of chaos them to death.

Yea you're right, I managed to get ahold of the guys codex and actually red the special rule section, were it clearly states you declare all shots before shooting them. I though it was the incorrect way to do it, but had trouble convincing the guy. That reading and this thread was all I needed, you guys are great thanks for the assist!

All shots are simultaneous for We Are Legion Targets. It is unfortunate, but you cannot wreck a transport and then Breath the unit inside.

Every unit which can split fire works this way. They have to declare all targets before resolving any of them.

Shooting from separate units is sequential, though. So if FW blew up the building, another Daemon unit could shoot the unit which came out later in that same shooting phase.

Everything said here is correct...every unit should declare all targets before shooting actually begins.

But sometimes in friendly games, this isn't actually practice. For example, my friend and I go by weapon, instead of by unit. Of course, they can't target different units unless some special rule alllows them to, but otherwise we are a bit more lenient. So if the daemon wanted to use the fire on the building, and then target the unit inside, why not? Or the daemon could've targeted the buiding with the template weapon, and now that it's destroyed the exposed models will be hit by the template. While the rules may not support that, logic says that if a unit wanted to fire a large round that destroys a building, and then lay down a flamethrower, nothing is going to say...now wait, the buidling is destroyed, you can't still use the flamethrower.

I think sometimes the rules can be frustrating because they aren't logical. In a friendly game, nothing is stopping you from making logical concessions. Can a daemon target a ruined building? Why not...and if there are models within then they are hit also. No big deal.

That being said, it's just my take and the rules clearly state otherwise. But it's up to you and your opponent what to do.

To be fair, the template weapon DOES hit the guys inside a building anyway. . .

See the first bit on page 80, main rules.

For example, my friend always forgets to roll his red thirst, or whatever, for his Bloodangels. Turn 2 comes along, and he's like oh crap, I forgot. Man roll them dice. I could be a prick and say no, but then he's p.o'd and the games not fun anymore. Or whoops, I moved a unit into assault but i forgot to shoot with this other unit first. Man shoot! No big deal. Just try to remember next time. I took my hand off my model, but changed my mind how i wanted to move him. It's cool...move him. This isn't tournament chess...it's a friendly game!


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kirsanth wrote:To be fair, the template weapon DOES hit the guys inside a building anyway. . .

See the first bit on page 80, main rules.

I know no cover saves are allowed, but I assume you would still need LOS....right?

Shenra wrote:I know no cover saves are allowed, but I assume you would still need LOS....right?

Only to the building's firepoint(s).

Shenra wrote:Everything said here is correct...every unit should declare all targets before shooting actually begins.

Not quite accurate. Every unit fires its weapons simultaneously. Every unit shoots sequentially in an order determined by the owning unit.