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Seriously though, do you think its at least "possible" that this theory has some merit? I watch the show Ancient Aliens alot, mainly because I find it to be just plain ol good TV, but Id be lying if I didnt think some of what they say on the show could be plausible.


Now that everyone thinks KC has lost his marbles, what does DAKKA think? Do you buy it? Is it at least possible? Completely made up? WAY to many shrooms? Whats your stance DAKKA

I grew up watching "In Search of..." and Star Trek,so I've always had a fascination with the idea of life on other planets and "Visitors".
Having watched Ancient Aliens on several occasions I have to say they make some interesting arguments,but I'm not convinced...as much as I'd like to be.

I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

With all the alternative biochemistries and planets out there it is pretty hard to deny alien life however they have little or no reason to visit our blue marble.

Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Yea Ill have to check that book out then.


Like I said most the show just makes good television, BUT! they do make good points at times. There has been a few things they have talked about that grabebd my attention and made start thinking. And that guy with the crazy hair is just the tits. Holy friggin tinfoil hat



As for the non believers, thinking they are too far away? Big Brother already has you fooled *rubs hands together*

Try wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.


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KingCracker wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Yea Ill have to check that book out then.


Like I said most the show just makes good television, BUT! they do make good points at times. There has been a few things they have talked about that grabebd my attention and made start thinking. And that guy with the crazy hair is just the tits. Holy friggin tinfoil hat



As for the non believers, thinking they are too far away? Big Brother already has you fooled *rubs hands together*

Chariots of the Gods is also a film,released in the late 70's, I think you'd like it KC.

FITZZ wrote:

Tri wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.

Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

KingCracker wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Yea Ill have to check that book out then.


Like I said most the show just makes good television, BUT! they do make good points at times. There has been a few things they have talked about that grabebd my attention and made start thinking. And that guy with the crazy hair is just the tits. Holy friggin tinfoil hat



As for the non believers, thinking they are too far away? Big Brother already has you fooled *rubs hands together*

Distance doesn't matter, the problem is if a species is technologically advanced enough to travel to us then they have no reason to visit us. Trade? totally different languages, societies and potentially even methods of communication would make negotiating impossible while different physiologies and technologies would likely make values and demands very different.
Technology? they are insanely advanced otherwise they couldn't get here.
Because we are special? Go outside and look at the stars, now try and say that earth is "special".

Maybe Earth is special. As in...you know.... special? We could be like a zoo attraction. One of those "MILKY WAY TOURS PRESENTS EARTH!" type deals


Also I think Dr. Neal Digrasse Tyson said it best.
"We are 1% different from monkies, and look at the difference that 1% makes. We put men on the moon, we travel our solar system, we can clone ourselves, the list goes on. Compared to a monkey they couldnt come close to being able to comprehend us and the things we do. Now imagine if "aliens" are just 1% different from us, but in the same regard as we are to monkies"

Try wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Try wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.

Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

That's hard to say,since I live on Earth my answer would be no...in general humans aren't particularly interesting,but to some alien civilization we may be extremely interesting,sort of in the way many of us were fascinated by ant colonies as children.

corpsesarefun wrote:With all the alternative biochemistries and planets out there it is pretty hard to deny alien life however they have little or no reason to visit our blue marble.

rubiksnoob wrote:

corpses are fun wrote:With all the alternative biochemistries and planets out there it is pretty hard to deny alien life however they have little or no reason to visit our blue marble.

Yeah...See every time that guy comes on the screen...my "These guys are batgak crazy"alarm goes off.

First up, it's worth recognising that the origin of all that 'primitive people must have had help from ancient astronaughts' came from the shock Euopeans had when they began to realise how many great civilisational artifacts there were across the world. Faced between the idea that Europeans might not be genetically more civlised, they instead chose to believe that aliens must have helped the lesser human races.

Now, the racism has largely disappeared from idea today, but the legacy remains, in the amount of terrible pseudoscience that inhabits the work.

The idea of ancient astronaughts is seriously cool, and worth playing around with on that level. And there is, of course, no evidence that aliens never came, so if you want to believe it go right ahead. But you just need to understand that all the alleged evidence for it is pretty much made up.

Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

von Daniken is pretty wildly acknowledged as a fraud. In Chariot of the Gods he claims there is ancient pottery showing ufos, but this pottery was revealed to have been made very recently, and when the potter was tracked down it was revealed he did this on commission from von Daniken. There is an iron pillar in India that von Daniken claimed doesn't rust, but it's since been shown it does rust and is perfectly normal - von Daniken admitted this decades ago, but never took it out of reprints of Chariots of the Gods. He claimed to have travelled through artificial underground tunnels in South America, but the man he claimed guided him through stated that this never happened.

It's all make believe. He's a charlatan.


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corpsesarefun wrote:Distance doesn't matter, the problem is if a species is technologically advanced enough to travel to us then they have no reason to visit us. Trade? totally different languages, societies and potentially even methods of communication would make negotiating impossible while different physiologies and technologies would likely make values and demands very different.
Technology? they are insanely advanced otherwise they couldn't get here.
Because we are special? Go outside and look at the stars, now try and say that earth is "special".

There's isn't much reason to dig up ancient civilisations except to know about them, and we do that. So there probably wouldn't be any reason go to another planet except to study them, but that's a really good reason.

The greater issue, to my mind, is that it seems to me impossible that a species, regardless of technological sophistication, would ever be able to travel outside their solar system. It's really goddamn far.

Incidentally, you have the greatest sig of all time.

Hmm,I really have to research more...I had no about faked material in "Chariots of the Gods"...of course I haven't seen the film since I was thirteen.
Have to admit...the "Ancient Astronaut" case is looking weaker and weaker..I find that slightly sad.

I am a firm believer that there is life elsewhere in the universe (Maybe even in our solar system. Not intelligent, of course, but several moons (especially Enceladus and Europa) most likely have liquid water underneath them, so I wouldn't be too surprised to find some jellyfish type stuff there. I think the question of wether there is life elsewhere or not is not an "if" question, but a "where" question. Who knows if we'll ever find it? But you can bet it's out there. The system Gliese 581 (Spelling?) has a planet that is in the habitable zone, by the way. Exoplanets are so interesting. I should start a topic for this discussion. Okay, whatever, got off on a tangent.

I highly doubt any intelligent life from space has ever been here (Although life here may have been started by a comet or something of that sort, but that doesn't count), but I am open to the possibility. It is an interesting prospect, nonetheless, and it does make you wonder sometimes. Although I think most of those ancient stories of things coming from the sky and stuff like that is either just myth, ot it was a meteor. (Some of those things have now been proven to be meteors.)

Ancient aliens = Slight possibility. Very slight.

Ancient Astronauts = No possibility whatsoever. Total BS.

Tri wrote:Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

If they seeded the earth with our single-celled ancestors (see directed panspermia) and are monitoring our development, yes. Yes we are.

FITZZ wrote: Hmm,I really have to research more...I had no about faked material in "Chariots of the Gods"...of course I haven't seen the film since I was thirteen.
Have to admit...the "Ancient Astronaut" case is looking weaker and weaker..I find that slightly sad.

Yeah, it's one of those things that's so awesome it should be true. And again, there's no reason to not believe it, it just needs to be recognised that most of the supposed evidence for it is disingenuous.

All I need to know about this topic I learned from Prince of Darkness.

Never seen it, but while I'd love to believe in aliens (if the universe is that large, there's gotta be something else out there. I mean, otherwise it just seems like a waste of space), but the probability f us having contact with them is basically nil.

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Monster Rain wrote:

Tri wrote:Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

If they seeded the earth with our single-celled ancestors (see directed panspermia) and are monitoring our development, yes. Yes we are.

The whole argument of "Are we interesting enough to visit" seems pretty stupid. WHat if an extraterrestrial race wants to explore things as we do? What if they have the same thirst for knowledge? And who is to say that it wouldn't be first contact with another species for them too? If we found an alien civilization somehow, we would think it was interesting enough to visit, even if the alien species lived on a planet with no resources whatsoever and were ammonia based.

I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

Giant canoes. They talked, traded, and planned things by traveling in giant canoes, and then destroyed all evidence, in the hope that the future conquesting Europeans would make a connection and be too freaked out to continue. Sadly, there effect was too delayed to save them.

chaos0xomega wrote:I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The Nazca lines are capable of being reproduced with basic surveying techniques. Wooden pegs have been found in the lines, indicating that's exactly what was done. The pyramid is the most geologically stable object, if you're building a really big stone thing it's going to be the best choice, whether you've seen anyone else try it or not.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

One of the tricks of this kind of thing is to presume that ancient civilisations were more primitive. We actually know a lot about their levels of scientific advancement, and a lot of things that are claimed as being being these populations were actually well within their technological capabilities. A classic example are the Nazca lines you mention above.

sebster wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The Nazca lines are capable of being reproduced with basic surveying techniques. Wooden pegs have been found in the lines, indicating that's exactly what was done. The pyramid is the most geologically stable object, if you're building a really big stone thing it's going to be the best choice, whether you've seen anyone else try it or not.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

One of the tricks of this kind of thing is to presume that ancient civilisations were more primitive. We actually know a lot about their levels of scientific advancement, and a lot of things that are claimed as being being these populations were actually well within their technological capabilities. A classic example are the Nazca lines you mention above.

No, I'm sticking with my giant canoes theory. It makes more sense.

sebster wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The Nazca lines are capable of being reproduced with basic surveying techniques. Wooden pegs have been found in the lines, indicating that's exactly what was done. The pyramid is the most geologically stable object, if you're building a really big stone thing it's going to be the best choice, whether you've seen anyone else try it or not.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

One of the tricks of this kind of thing is to presume that ancient civilisations were more primitive. We actually know a lot about their levels of scientific advancement, and a lot of things that are claimed as being being these populations were actually well within their technological capabilities. A classic example are the Nazca lines you mention above.

I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

FITZZ wrote:

Try wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Try wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.

Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

That's hard to say,since I live on Earth my answer would be no...in general humans aren't particularly interesting,but to some alien civilization we may be extremely interesting,sort of in the way many of us were fascinated by ant colonies as children.

Maybe they think we look sexy?

Kanluwen wrote:I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

I'm not sure we should conclude that therefore it was ancient astronauts. People have built all kinds of stuff that folk won't ever see, largely for religious purposes.


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micahaphone wrote:No, I'm sticking with my giant canoes theory. It makes more sense.

sebster wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

I'm not sure we should conclude that therefore it was ancient astronauts. People have built all kinds of stuff that folk won't ever see, largely for religious purposes.


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micahaphone wrote:No, I'm sticking with my giant canoes theory. It makes more sense.

I think its not so much "out there" as "up there". Maybe ancient Peruvians had weather balloons?

I have to say that I don’t think aliens have been secretly influencing our or any other society on Earth, though I do believe that alien life (both sentient and not) does exist.

It is interesting to note that the detection of radio waves is not the best way of detecting intelligent life in outer space, since (looking at human development as a base line), there will only be a couple of hundred years where radio waves will be blasted out into space before society moves on to better forms of communication (fibre optics for example). It would not surprise me if we do not hit on the next communication breakthrough within another 200 years (quantum wave distortion to just pull some science fictional sounding technology out of the air) which, at present, is undetectable by us but even now is washing over us.

There are various methods of looking remotely at a heavenly body and determining what it is comprise of and once we decide to put very large baseline telescopes into and around the solar system we might be able to more easily resolve planets and take measurements of their atmosphere to look for artificially created gases and so on.

But again, a lot of this relies on us and “them” catching each other at the right time. A few centuries or millennia either way (not to mention the effect of light travelling so slowly ) mean that we could be surrounded by alien civilisations and not know it as they peaked “too early”, or the signals from their planets have not reached us yet…