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What would you like to see if they made another start set after black reach? What kinds of armies or what types of things would you like to have in it?
Is Space Marines and Orks really the best possible options for it? Or could GW do better?

I personally would like to have them kick it up a little bit and throw in some flair with their starter box. So Dark Angels or Black Templars with Lets say...Necrons or Tau.
Especially after they redo the codex for those armies, That would be a great idea. You still get your space marine army and a Zeno but the marines are more stylish and appealing than
Vanilla Marines and your getting a much more exciting army than Orks.

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Obviously it's going to have some SM. But it would be cool if it were something other than Ultramarines (and this from an UM player!).

Have, like, Space Wolves or Blood Angels or something, versus Necrons or Tyranids or even Orks.

It would showcase a different side of the SM, and make Ultramarines feel like their own thing, rather than "vanilla" Marines.

It's hard to see the other force being anything other than Orks or Tyranids or maaybe Necrons. It has to be Xenos, it has to be malicious, it has to be a little weird. Much as I like Tau, they're bad for a starter set with SM, because they have 'mech suits and look a little too similar.

I dont think that they will move form the "vanilla" marines if the kept them as it allows diversity throughout the chapters and I dont think that they will remove them for the boxset in general as they are a staple in the 40k universe! I do admit tho that something diffrent would be nice!

Yeah, they probably won't, and it's not a big deal: I mean, it makes sense. You gotta have the big players in the 40k universe front-and-center. It would be kind of cool to see a different chapter, but it's probably not a good business move.

I'd love lots of Imperial Guard. Just lots. Wouldn't need that much poseability. 55 Guardsmen and some heavy weapons.

As for enemies... maybe Eldar. Jetbikes, plastic Scorpions.

Or Chaos Space Marines.

Do we have a list of what previous starter sets they have done?

I know it has been SM vs.

Orks
DE
Tyranids.

Anything else?

Pretty sure thats all of them

Space Marines versus Necrons would be neat. The Ultramarines have historically fought Necrons in the 40k fluff, right?

If you just need bulk, consider these guys. They split an AoBR box and double it. Keep in mind, it's just two of every ork in an AoBR box.

http://www.apocabitznow.com/store/p/3225-Assault-on-Black-Reach-Orks-.aspx

Disclaimer: I'm not these guys, I've never used them, but I've heard good things about them.

Ultramarines Vs Ultramarines in an all out smurf orgy!

IG/SM/GK vs Tyranids/DE/Eldar


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Doctor Optimal wrote:If you just need bulk, consider these guys. They split an AoBR box and double it. Keep in mind, it's just two of every ork in an AoBR box.

http://www.apocabitznow.com/store/p/3225-Assault-on-Black-Reach-Orks-.aspx

Disclaimer: I'm not these guys, I've never used them, but I've heard good things about them.

Wow, that's an incredible deal. Splitting AoBR boxes is the way to go to build up SM/Ork armies.

Necrons anything really.

or maybe grey knights vs deamons?

Well they would put space marines because they are easy to learn, also it seems like they limit themselves to the amount of models (thats what im saying).
If it was grey knight vs deamons the grey knights would easily win.

Starter box sets have gone like so:

2nd Edition - Space Marines vs Orks (Canonically: Blood Angels vs Goffs)
Contained:
20 Snap-Together Orks (Bolt Pistols, Axe)
40 Snap-Together Gretchin (Autoguns)
1 Cardboard Ork Dread

2 Snap-Together Marine Sergeants (Chainswords, Bolt Pistols)
2 Snap-Together Marines w/ Flamers
2 Snap-Together Marines w/ Missile Launchers
14 Snap-Together Marines w/ Bolters

3rd Edition - Space Marines vs Dark Eldar (Canonically Ultramarines vs Cabal of the Black Heart)
Contained:
1 Complete 3rd Edition Space Marine Tactical box-set (i.e 10 marines inc. Sergeant, Flamer, Missile Launcher)
1 Complete 3rd Edition Space Marine Land Speeder Set (i.e. w/ Heavy Bolter, Multimelta)

1 Complete 3rd Edition Dark Eldar Warrior Set (i.e. 16 Warriors w/ 2 Splinter Cannons)

4th Edition - Battle for Macragge - Space Marines vs Tyranids (Canonically Ultramarines vs Hive Fleet Behemoth)
Contained:
10 Snap-Together Marines (inc Sergeant, Flamer, Missile Launcher)
1 Snap-Together Imperial Pilot

8 Snap-Together Termagaunts
8 Snap-Together Genestealers
8 Snap-Together Spore Mines

5th Edition - Assault on Black Reach - Space Marines vs Orks (Canonically Ultramarines vs Goffs)
Contained:
1 Snap-Together Space Marine Captain
10 Snap-Together Tactical Marines (inc Sergeant, Flamer, Missile Launcher)
5 Snap Together Terminators (inc Sergeant)
1 Snap Together Dreadnought

1 Snap Together Ork Warboss
20 Snap Together Ork Boyz (inc 2 Big Shootas)
5 Snap Together Ork Nobz
3 Snap Together Deff Koptas

The rules have always been: Space Marines vs a Xenos race of some sort, with no Xenos race repeated consecutively. Seeing as we're more or less assured Vanilla Marines will be included (and probably Ultramarines at that), all that lies in question is the xenos race.

Orks we can rule out having been included in the 5th ed set.
Chaos Space Marines and Necrons can probably be ruled out as being too similar to the Marines
Tau and Eldar can probably be ruled out as being too 'good' and not obviously evil.
Dark Eldar can probably be ruled out as not being amenable to snap-together (too spindly) - the 3rd ed box models were just standard models, and by all accounts was too much of a difficulty step for new players to get into.
Daemons can probably be rules out as having rules too radical compared to most armies.

Which leaves... Tyranids. Boring? Well yes, but as a means of selling box sets to new players, it probably works out well. They're a popular race, obvious as being evil, different enough from marines to provide contrast and as shown by the 4th ed set, work well in snap together. So I present what I would guess is most likely to be in the 6th edition set, assuming GW's ability to produce models on sprues remains similar to the current Black Reach set:

6th Edition - Defence of Tarsis Ultra - Space Marines vs Tyranids (Canonically Ultramarines vs Hive Fleet Leviathan)
Contains:

1 A5 6th Edition Rule Book
1 Quick Start Guide
1 Mission Booklet
2 Measuring Sticks
Blast Templates
8 White Dice, 2 Red Dice, 1 Scatter Dice

1 Snap-Together Space Marine Terminator Chaplain (Cool, doesn't introduce complex rules a lá the Librarian)
10 Snap Together Tactical Marines (inc Flamer, Missile Launcher, Sergeant) (Standard marines, included in every starter set to date)
5 Snap Together Assault Terminators (Elite choice, cool, different to tactical terminators, offers marines some CC ability)
1 Snap Together Dreadnought (Needs a large 'wow' unit. Tanks would take up too much space on sprues, and dreadnoughts are cooler anyway).

1 Snap-Together Tyranid Prime (Reasonable-sized HQ unit. Opportunity to fill hole in model line)
5 Snap-Together Tyranid Warriors (Equipped for CC, elite unit)
20 Snap Together Termagaunts (Standard horde unit)
5 Snap-Together Spore Mines (tiny sprue footprint, makes things a little more interesting)
1 Snap-Together Carnifex. (big 'wow' unit, and counterpart to the Dreadnought)


Any thoughts?

Sounds good to me

Sounds plausible. Maybe a bit too heavy on the 'nid side, but there's no doubt in my mind that the current box set is the best ever. (The 2E Orks were more plentiful, but they also sucked as models.)

wow, 2nd ed box was a pretty good deal. better then the fail that was Battle for Maccragge.


that proposed 6th ed set seems like a sweet idea.

If you want some 2nd edition orks - I have the ones from the 2nd edition starter set still. Think I even have the cardboard dread around somewhere too

FITZZ wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/344658.page

Thanks, FITZZ!