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Adeptus Astartes! I recently requisitioned an Ironclad Dreadnought from the armory, and as servitors began gearing our brother for combat, I halted them. Which is generally more effective (for any given foe): the Chainfist, or the Seismic Hammer?

Serving the Emperor, Captain Askar Ovale of the Spirit of Man Chapter.

Seismic Hammer. The Chainfist is really only useful against walkers and tanks that have a high rear AV (like raiders).

You want a hammer. The extra D6 isn't worth losing;

- Attacks at I
- An extra attack (it hammer counts as a DCCW as well so grants an extra attack in conjunction with DCCW)
- +1 to the damage chart, not much of the difference but keeping mind...
- Your already hitting at S10, do you really need an extra D6.


There's my opinion at least.

*Knee jerk*

Hammer

Battle Brother,

My humble recommendation would be to arm the Brother interred in the sarcophagus with a seismic hammer. Ordinarily, the superior penetration properties of the chainfist would be extremely desirable. Unfortunately, though mounted on a different platform, the Ironclad pattern Chainfist possesses the same penalty to the wielders initiative as the model that may be used by our Terminator-clad brethren. The Seismic Hammer suffers no such penatly, and can inflict more damage than the chain fist.

I see; very well brothers, I shall resume the servitors work with that of the Seismic Hammer. (I had wondered why its attacks were labled as 2(3).) I thank you for your expert opnions, and we shall see how brother Barond fairs...

the Master of the Forge of the Grey Templars reccomends you not place the standard Melta gun on the Hammer and instead place a Heavy flamer on.

your Seismic hammer is already effective against tanks. your Dred needs some anti-horde too.

Hammer because of the I thing.

But to be honest, I believe that chainfist thing is bad editing on GW's behalf, so playing casually I say its a DCCW with 2d6. Thats just me and friends though

Grey Templar wrote:the Master of the Forge of the Grey Templars reccomends you not place the standard Melta gun on the Hammer and instead place a Heavy flamer on.

your Seismic hammer is already effective against tanks. your Dred needs some anti-horde too.

Happily this isn't a choice you have to make - the heavy flamer replaces the storm bolter, so the best of both worlds can be yours!

yes, but you can have 2 Heavy flamers.

it's bad to multi-task in the shooting phase.

Indeed, I intend to install two heavy flamers rather than one and a meltagun. In its absence, I have ordered Hunter-Killer Missiles attatched, so an armored foe at range is not safe. I appreciate the recommendations.

Grey Templar wrote:yes, but you can have 2 Heavy flamers.

it's bad to multi-task in the shooting phase.

I must respectfully disagree, Brother.

The Hands of Vengeance field Ironclad Dreadnoughts armed with the Melta Gun and Heavy Flamer. When one is unsure as the to foe they will be facing versatility is a virtue. As both options are permitted by the Codex Astartes it is clear that either selection of wargear is sanctioned; I simply desired to speak my part.

In His Glorious Name.

The iron hands suggest the hammer with melta attachment and heavy flamer on the other arm, followed by drop pod insertion. Records indicate many recorded kills on various targets and nary a scar on the holy walker.

I too would urge the techpriests to use a mixture.

In cases where the noble ancestor wishes to crush a transported unit, having the meltagun will allow him to destroy the transport, then assault the unit inside, whereas a heavy flamer would simply bubble the paint

Goddard wrote:Indeed, I intend to install two heavy flamers rather than one and a meltagun. In its absence, I have ordered Hunter-Killer Missiles attatched, so an armored foe at range is not safe. I appreciate the recommendations.

I was reading this post and find the different opinions interesting regarding how to equip said dred. I am curious as to this post though, I am reading this correctly? You intend to use the seismic hammer (of which I agree) w/2 HF instead of being prepared for mechanized units (sound good against a hordes army) by equipping the HF and MG... You also mention though, the addition of a HKM... Is this to take the place of the absent 2nd HF or how should I interpret this comment? I assume you are nit intending to equip a SH, 2 HF and a HKM?

Fallen_Veteran wrote:

Goddard wrote:Indeed, I intend to install two heavy flamers rather than one and a meltagun. In its absence, I have ordered Hunter-Killer Missiles attatched, so an armored foe at range is not safe. I appreciate the recommendations.

I was reading this post and find the different opinions interesting regarding how to equip said dred. I am curious as to this post though, I am reading this correctly? You intend to use the seismic hammer (of which I agree) w/2 HF instead of being prepared for mechanized units (sound good against a hordes army) by equipping the HF and MG... You also mention though, the addition of a HKM... Is this to take the place of the absent 2nd HF or how should I interpret this comment? I assume you are nit intending to equip a SH, 2 HF and a HKM?

No. One arm will be a normal DCCW with the storm bolter replaced with a heavy flamer. The other arm will be a seismic hammer with the meltagun replaced with a heavy flamer. He will also have 2 hunter-killer missiles. So, yes he will have a seismic hammer, 2 heavy flamers and 2 hunter-killer missiles.

this is a questoin!? go with the HAMMER! what where you even thinking of going with a chain fist. plus, when you assault that vehicle, you can sing "stop, hammer time."

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