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Been lurking for the past few years on countless forums for even the tiniest whisper of Gk rumors and finally after so long (the announcement of Gk in april) and the leaked pictures of the Dreadknight im overjoyed by this turn of events ...But it seems the pics have brought a huge amount of dislike of how ugly or unfluffy (a much nicer way of saying hatred towards the DK). Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder but

I feel the dreadknight could be fluffy due to:

1) A Gk is only sent for in the direst of situation, they will always be outnumber by a huge amount, the dreadknight evens the scales by having the firepower to support the GKGM in finishing the GD/DP. 1 DK will effectively provide firepower equal to a purgation squad or the melee prowess of a few GKT.

2) There is only 3000 Gks in the whole of the imperium, the imperium has 1 million worlds, how many gk's per world then? you do the math. If there are several hundred incursions at one time Gk's will be stretch so thin that even a squad is sent to aid the defense of a world against millions of chaos soldiers. Imagine in this situation they send a squad with one or two dreadknights, it will really turn the tide of battle.

3) DP and GD are insanely powerful and it would take a huge amount of casualties to take one of them down.
i) In the first war of armegeddon 100 GKT versus 12 Bloodthirsters and a very very angry DP angron. Only a few survived to tell the tale.
ii)Gk book spoiler

Gkgm must have been appraising the dire situation at which their brothers perish at a rate of 95% every major battle and said "we need a better way to kill daemons!" thus the techmarines of Mars went to the archives, found and body of a knight titan (smaller version), the body of a PE, the weaponry of a purgation squad and came up with the DK specifically for Gks.

4) There are something a GKT can't do...e.g jump (maybe?), fly or carry two heavy at a time and is slow as hell where else the Dk can do all of this. So isnt this a bonus?. Imagine this A DP has just entered real space, a group of GKT is sent to banish the DP and when they arrive the DP is 50 feet tall, in GKT armor how in terra's name are they going fight that? A: GKGM " Bring in the DreadKnight!!!" and auto win...



The dreadknight looks very close to the powerloader from Aliens with the open top driver compartment (but the driver is in power armor which at least give a certain amount of protection),the hands of the driver are at the side of the arms and leg holders of the driver is a few feet above the ground (giving more mobility or the ability to jump?). This is not a bad design, DK still retains its imperium background with its thick boxy body, armaments, and the overall feel of the model. There is nothing tau-ish about it it doesnt have big weapons mounted on its shoulders, it has a giant nemesis sword (Battlesuits isnt made for melee),

Anyway compared to the go Gk FTW!!!!!

It looks horrible. I won't be buying one for my Grey Knights. I'll just repaint what I already have that isn't already up to standard, and maybe buy a few more terminators.

I want to see a legitimate picture from GW to analyze it completely, the blurry picture doesn't show much.

Fafnir wrote:It looks horrible. I won't be buying one for my Grey Knights. I'll just repaint what I already have that isn't already up to standard, and maybe buy a few more terminators.

Which part of the model looks horrible and why?


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This particular page from Starship troopers sums the Dreadknight

Our suits give us better eyes, better ears, stronger backs (to carry heavier weapons and more ammo), better legs, more intelligence ('intelligence' in the military meaning; a man in a suit can be just as stupid as anybody else - only he had better not be), more firepower, greater endurance, less vulnerability.
"A suit isn't a space suit - although it can serve as one. It is not primarily armor - althoug the Knights of the Round Table were not armored as well as we are. It isn't a tank - but a single M.I. private could take on a squadron of those things and knock them off unassisted if anybody was silly enought to put tanks against M.I. A suit is not a ship but it can fly, a little - on the other hand neither spaceships nor atmosphere craft can fight against a man in a suit except by saturation bombing of the area he is in (like burning down a house to get one flea!). Contrariwise we can do many things that no ship - air, submersible, or space - can do.
[...]
"Suited up, you look like a big steel gorilla, armed with gorilla-sized weapons. [...] The 'muscles,' the pseudo-musculature get all the publicity but it's the control of all that power which merits it. The real genius in the design is that you don't have to control the suit; you just wear it, like your clothers, like skin.
[...]
"Two thousand pounds of it, maybe, in full kit - yet the very fist time you are fitted into one you can immediately walk, run jump, lie down, pick up an egg without breaking it [...] dance a jig [...] and jump right over the house next door and come down to a feather landing. The secret lies in negative feedback and amplification.
[...]
"The suit has feedback which causes it to match any motion you make, exactly - but with great force.
"You jump, that heavy suit jumps, but higher than you can jump in your skin, Jump really hard and the suit's jets cut in, amplifying what the suit's leg 'muscles' did, giving you a three-jet shover, the zxis of pressure of which passes through your center of mass.
[...]
"And that is the beauty of a powered suit: you don't have to think about it. You don't have to drive it. fly it, conn it, operate it; you just wear it and it takes orders directly from your muscles and does for you what yoru muscles are trying to do. This leaves you with your whole mind free to handle your weapons and notice what is going on around you... which is supremely important to an infantryman who wants to die in bed."
-Starship Troopers, Ch. 7

From what i see the Dreadknight looks like a giant robot of some 80s cartoon show. I am not a friend of giant robots, unless they are titans and i seriously don't think that the dreadknight fits the aesthetics of a GK army. It is also too large, at the size of a penitent engine...perhaps, but currently it appears to be roughly 50% larger than a greater daemon.
So, just as i won't buy a Stormraven because it looks atrocious i will also not buy a Dreadknight, which looks a bit better but still underwhelms me.
I also don't like the idea of strapping someone in front of a walker, without any kind of armoured cockpit.
Of course, my opinion can change once some better pictures become available, but currently i wouldn't even want it as a gift.

My only worry is that GW will make it mandatory to buy any of the new toys ( Stormraven and Dreadknight ) in order to create a strong list.
On the other hand there might be hope, while Ward writes utterly stupid fluff his codex design usually allows for more than one good build.

I think until I see a clearer picture I will reserve judgement.

I agree with Gavo and Chimaera. While the general shape of the thing resembles a beheaded G1 transformer, GW isnt all that good at taking photos. It might look much better when it's formally released.

Nay!

I think that it's completely idiotic for this thread to even exist before we have a picture better than most pictures of the Loch Ness Monster.

From what I've seen, I really like it, but I do want a clearer picture.

Fluff huh? I wonder how long it will take me to count 3000 separate GK models after the release, probably not long huh?

As for the dreadknight, whatever. If it's really as awesome as you say and if GW actually follows fluff *cough* then this little bugger should be 0-1.

Also, poll is very one sided. Herp derp.

Comparing this abomination to the powered armour from Starship Troopers is downright "missing the point".

You know why?

The powered armour actually fully encloses the wearer and functions like y'know...the power armour and Tactical Dreadnought Armour that the Astartes already wear.

This thing, essentially, serves no purpose whatsoever than to make people think "WHOA! THIS IZ NEAT, IZ GIANT ROBOTZ".

The Penitent Engine, at least, makes sense for the 'driver' to be exposed. It's punishment.

The APU suffers the same problem as the Dreadknight, in that it's a stupid idea to have the pilot as exposed as they do.

If the Dreadknight had come out looking like this?


But with a Nemesis Force Weapon and Psycannons?
I'd have been happy.
As is, it's bleh. It's bleh with a side of BLARGH.

I'll need to

a - see the actual kit, and
b - see the rules and the fluff

I'm not going to fly off the handle because they created something actually new for the Grey Knights. In fact, I'd love it if it was a first step in reintroducing knight class titans. They're about the right size.

No, they're not really close to a Knight-class Titan.

Knight-class Titans are around the same tonnage as a Warhound. This is still far too small, from the looks of it, to be that.

In the army shot floating around, they look about as tall as a Trygon. That's about right for a knight, really. Especially considering that Trygons were scaled down from Epic, it very likely could be a class of knight titan.

Funny thing about Big Foot, Loch Ness and UFOs is that every picture of them is blurry and so wether they're real or not can't be proven, I think it's the same with this. This dosen't fit the style of GW and personally I think it's a hoax made by someone who just wanted to see the buzz it would make. If it's a leaked pic from GW why would GW keep blurry pics to be leaked and what kind of photographer is bad enough to take them anyway. No I think someone took some toy, blurred it out on purpose and made a rumor.

I dig it, it looks like Voltron.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Funny thing about Big Foot, Loch Ness and UFOs is that every picture of them is blurry and so wether they're real or not can't be proven, I think it's the same with this. This dosen't fit the style of GW and personally I think it's a hoax made by someone who just wanted to see the buzz it would make. If it's a leaked pic from GW why would GW keep blurry pics to be leaked and what kind of photographer is bad enough to take them anyway. No I think someone took some toy, blurred it out on purpose and made a rumor.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Funny thing about Big Foot, Loch Ness and UFOs is that every picture of them is blurry and so wether they're real or not can't be proven, I think it's the same with this. This dosen't fit the style of GW and personally I think it's a hoax made by someone who just wanted to see the buzz it would make. If it's a leaked pic from GW why would GW keep blurry pics to be leaked and what kind of photographer is bad enough to take them anyway. No I think someone took some toy, blurred it out on purpose and made a rumor.

They took their pictures with a cellphone camera. It's not inconceivable, and wouldn't be the first time we've gotten leaks that way. The Tomb Stalker posted right above my post and the Incubi for the Dark Eldar were revealed the same way.

And what they just happen to have the crappiest camera phone in existance that's going to blur what appears to be either a full magazine or codex page? (cell phone cameras only get that blurry when photographing small objects at extremely close distance and in case anyone wants to know how I know that I had a year long photography class my senior year of highschool) both images mentioned where more easily definable then the picture provided (I've seen them) and if someone can photoshop Heresy Online onto the image then they can distort the original all the same.

All I'm saying is that I don't think it's real and I won't believe it untill I saw a clear image of it from GW or the model itself which is the same thing others have said I just put more reason behind it. And posting other blurry images that are still easier to make out then the "DreadKnight" isn't going to change my mind on that.

Given the amount of pixelation it might have been cropped from a larger photo taken at a distance.

Kanluwen wrote:Comparing this abomination to the powered armour from Starship Troopers is downright "missing the point".

You know why?

The powered armour actually fully encloses the wearer and functions like y'know...the power armour and Tactical Dreadnought Armour that the Astartes already wear.

This thing, essentially, serves no purpose whatsoever than to make people think "WHOA! THIS IZ NEAT, IZ GIANT ROBOTZ".

The Penitent Engine, at least, makes sense for the 'driver' to be exposed. It's punishment.

The APU suffers the same problem as the Dreadknight, in that it's a stupid idea to have the pilot as exposed as they do.

If the Dreadknight had come out looking like this?


But with a Nemesis Force Weapon and Psycannons?
I'd have been happy.
As is, it's bleh. It's bleh with a side of BLARGH.

Well it seems the dreadknight is based more on Aliens power loader than anything else...i mean even rumors have stated something closer to the avatar amp...well if it was enclosed then it would look more like Tau-ish battle suits than anything else...and everyone will be saying its a direct copy....now at least it has a driver in power armor (meaning it has some form of armour) and this is unique to the dreadknight...it isnt a battle suit copy, it isnt a penitent engine direct copy (pe 2.0), it isnt a direct long legs style dreadnought, it isnt a wraithlord ...so it seems original in the 40k universe...why oppose innovation to 40K?

And my reference to S.I was becos the dreadknight sounds like a match...being able to hold itself against hordes, being able to throw aside tanks...if it was enclosed everyone will be complaining TAU battlesuit copy!!!! so wouldnt it be better to have something original than a copy cat?


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Brother SRM wrote:I think that it's completely idiotic for this thread to even exist before we have a picture better than most pictures of the Loch Ness Monster.

Just wanting to see dakka's elite opinion on this...

Anyway...the poll has the option for "reserve judgement for better pics..."

Just wondering why is everyone hating something when it isnt clear and saying its a direct copy of tau's Shtick when it isnt...thus the reason for the thread...

If it was enclosed it wouldn't "look more like Tau-ish battle suits".

The Dreadnought is enclosed. It looks nothing like a Battle Suit, does it?

Terminator Armour is enclosed. Looks nothing like a Battle Suit, does it?

Armoured Sentinels are enclosed. Look nothing like a Battle Suit either does it?

With how it's designed right now it's got more in common with a large amount of (poor) Western mecha designs.

Kanluwen wrote:No, they're not really close to a Knight-class Titan.

Knight-class Titans are around the same tonnage as a Warhound. This is still far too small, from the looks of it, to be that.

1. Knights aren't a Titan class, they're a type of Warmachine in and of themselves.

2. Knights aren't the same tonnage as a warhound, they're significantly smaller.

Considering your usual anal retentiveness towards fluff, Kan, I'm surprised at you. Especially for perpetuating the Knight = Titan mistake.

As for the model, I'm gonna wait and see better pictures or the model in person.

Platuan4th wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No, they're not really close to a Knight-class Titan.

Knight-class Titans are around the same tonnage as a Warhound. This is still far too small, from the looks of it, to be that.

1. Knights aren't a Titan class, they're a type of Warmachine in and of themselves.

2. Knights aren't the same tonnage as a warhound, they're significantly smaller.

Considering your usual anal retentiveness towards fluff, Kan, I'm surprised at you. Especially for perpetuating the Knight = Titan mistake.

Well, I've got a very small amount of fluff to go by on Knights so...pardon!
All I've really got that is readily available to me is that:
1) They're restricted to 'feudal' worlds that have a very close tie to the Adeptus Mechanicus
2) They're a warmachine that is of a design similar to Titans, and generally referred to by Imperials who don't know better as 'Knight-class Titans'. The relative rarity of Knights means that's not readily corrected, since most individuals don't encounter them all that often. They also use Titan class weaponry.
3) They're operated by a single user via a mindlink interface.

That's about all I can find on them, as I don't have any readily available sources in text

Dreadknights are the Turducken of the 41st millenium - a GK wrapped in TDA wrapped in a Dreadknight - to retain that juicy flavor!

In the end it will probably be a case like the stormraven. Criticize its ugliness on dakka. Go to your local GW and buy one.

I'm just sayin'...

personally I cant say one way or the other. Need to see stats.