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HI all I was wondering if it would be a good idea to buy some more tau with the rumored new codex for this year or the next...

Anyway this is what my list would look like pls feel free to tell me what you think and how to improve it.

HQ
Shas'el 97
-plasma rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker
-HW-Targeting array

Elites
3x crisis shas'ui 186
-plama rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker

3x crisis shas'ui 186
-plama rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker

3x crisis shas'ui 141
-TL missile pod
-flamer

TROOPS
2x 6 firewarriors 180 (360)
with devilfish
-multi tracker
-disruption pods
-SMS
-targeting array

HEAVY SUPPORT
3x broadsides shas'ui 265
-ASS
1teamleader with:
-HW drone controler
-shield drone
-target lock

3x broadsides shas'ui 265
-ASS
1teamleader with:
-HW drone controler
-shield drone
-target lock

Adds up to exactly 1500 points and has 6 railguns 3 Tw missile pods 7 normal misile pods and 7 plama rifles.

Only thing I'm not sure about is if I should swap some broadsides with a Hammerhead.

please feel free to tell me what you think of it.

I would suggest working in a Hammerhead. The submunition round is critical when combating horde style armies, and any take-all-comers list should include one. Especially since you don't have any dedicated anti-horde in the main body of your army.

Ok I will work one in later today and take out 1 broadside uinit and replace it with hammerhead and a smal pathfinder team

teams are a bit squishy with no ablative wounds. Just one small thing. You cannot have a hardwired targeting array. You need to switch that with a hardwired multi-tracker so the targeting array takes up the hard point. You should also had another shield drone to the broadside units so you don't have to take a leadership check after one wound.

Broadsides are the exact same as hammerheads except mobility, submunition and perceived threat level. The main thing people think about though is the submunition which is really just used against hordes. If you think you can take care of hordes easily as it is then you should be fine. You already have a ton of ap2 and high strength weaponry to deal with elite units so the hammerhead wouldn't be too bad of a choice. Its always a good idea to try a few games with each though then tweak from there.

nice list, if you take hammerhead. Then it looks really great

I wouldn't take 1 hammerhead ever (well not over 1000 points anyway). Take 2 or none.

You've got good firepower but are hamstrung by Bs3. Evene the deathrains are only Bs3. I switch them up to full deathrains with TAs. I'd personally take 2 hammerheads and dump most of the broadsides and find a way to fit in some pathfinders.

My major concern for this army is against Turn1 assaulting armies. You seem to have no viable option to reserve and not Kroot screen to castke behind so if someones taking Land Speeder Storms you basically auto-lose. Likewise good fleet rolls from DE or shrike builds or deffkopters all put you in an almost unwinnable situation from turn 1...

Nice list, might struggle in a capture the objective game thought. I would perhaps take an outflanking kroot squad to put pressure on the opponents objectives.

At the moment the moment the fish's get popped(its quite likely as a DP while awesome doesnt make you invulnerable)the firewarriors will fall apart and that neutralises your objective capturing abilities.

Hmm ok editing the list a bit like this?


HQ
Shas'el 97
-plasma rifle
-missile pod
-HW-multi tracker
-Targeting array

Elites
3x crisis shas'ui 186
-plama rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker

3x crisis shas'ui 186
-plama rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker

3x crisis shas'ui 141
-TL missile pod
-flamer

TROOPS
2x 6 firewarriors 180 (360)
with devilfish
-multi tracker
-disruption pods
-SMS
-targeting array

11 kroot 77

FAST ATTACK
2x 5 pathfinders 60 (120)
(fish already written to the firewarriors...)

HEAVY SUPPORT
2x Hammerhead 165 (330)
-burst cannons
-rail gun
-disruption pod
-multi traker

is this list better? OR is there anything else to improve?

I think this is a good list.

My only problem is that:

Hammerheads should never be meant for AT, they should be taken for submnnissions only, because you can get 2 TL Railguns for the same price as a hammerhead.

Thus, you really don't have any railguns available. You have a load of missile pods, but that won't help against the heavy tanks.

Hammerheads should never be meant for AT, they should be taken for submnnissions only, because you can get 2 TL Railguns for the same price as a hammerhead.

Thus, you really don't have any railguns available. You have a load of missile pods, but that won't help against the heavy tanks.

I disagree whilst yes you take the Hammerhead for submission it doesn't mean the railgun on it can't be used for anti-heavy tank. You are unlikley to be faced by targets that require both eth submission and heavy tank hunting at the same time. So whilst the Hammerhead if primarily a submission beast having do you heavy tank hunting isn't necessarily a no no.

However having it as you soul heavy tank hunting is an issue. I'd personally try to get some fusion into the list to resolve this.

But it is looking pretty good for a Tau list. Just 11 Kroot isn't a great shield against fast armies but it is better than nothing.

imho i don't know why you would take a hammerhead over broadsides because 3 broadsides a team mesns whatever your shooting at is gonna get hurt and their cheaper in points if i recall (im nota tau player just flicked thru the codex its the only one i don't own) the only upside i see is mobility but with the railguns amazing range i don't see why that even helps hammerhead i believe should only be used for the ion cannon for marine killing but im no expert

Alphacerberus wrote:imho i don't know why you would take a hammerhead over broadsides because 3 broadsides a team mesns whatever your shooting at is gonna get hurt and their cheaper in points if i recall (im nota tau player just flicked thru the codex its the only one i don't own) the only upside i see is mobility but with the railguns amazing range i don't see why that even helps hammerhead i believe should only be used for the ion cannon for marine killing but im no expert

An individual Broadside suit with no wargear is cheaper than the Hammerhead, but SEVERELY less effective. A properly outfitted Broadside team is between 80 and 100 points more than a Hammerhead with standard wargear.... depending of course on what your definition of standard is. Broadsides firepower is undeniable, but it is definitely more geared for anti-tank than anti-infantry. Besides you would need to invest in a multi-tracker to make them effective Anti Infantry... and thats even more wargear.

For versatility.. Hammerhead.

For can opening tank poppy goodness.. Broadside.

You are running ur suits in teams of 3 which is fine, but your not taking a knife on one of them. 5pts allows you to cheese some wound allocation a bit and potentially keep a set of guns up for another turn.

Elites
3x crisis suits 191
+shas'ui
-plama rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker
+Crisis suit
-plama rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker
+Crisis suit
-bonding knife
-plama rifle
-missile pod
-multi tracker

Too bad that is illegal.

BK on crisis suit that doesn't have access to wargear?
You would have to get a team leader as well as the BK with would make it 196 Points...

Personally, I would take the BK and Team leader/'vre upgrade even if I had extra points.

Thanks for all the replies!

I still don't know if I should drop I Hammerhead and replace it with some broadsides :/

The way I see it:

You have 2 railguns, 3 TL Missile Pods, and then 7 fireknifes which can hurt vehicles, but should probably be focusing on heavy infantry.

Against 1 LR:

Both hammerheads combined get a total of .44 Penetrations. That is .22 explode, .26 wrecked with the glancing hit results... they will have one fun time dealing with 1 LR, and if a second shows up... you won't be able to take care of them... correct?

2 Broadsides w/ A.S.S. - 160 Pts (Under half the price of 2 Hammerheads) will do more, as they start with .5 penetrations instead of .44.

If you get rid of a hammerhead for those two broadsides, you will have better AT firepower, and you will free up your hammerhead to do his thing with submunissions.

The Bringer wrote:Too bad that is illegal.

BK on crisis suit that doesn't have access to wargear?
You would have to get a team leader as well as the BK with would make it 196 Points...

Personally, I would take the BK and Team leader/'vre upgrade even if I had extra points.

Yeah forgot they dont get the same access to armory as the bodyguard crisis suits do ><