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need advice on how to fight gurd efectivly with space marines hear is my curent army list proably needs lots of improvment tho
HQ
captin with artificor and relic blade 145

troops
2x10 tacticals with rockits and flamers 340
+2xrhino 70

elites
venrable dred with asult cannon and tl autocannon 185
+drop pod 35
sterngurd with 2xcobie weps 135
+razorback 40
fast attk
attak bk with mm 50

have never fourght gurd before but heard roumers that leman russes have 14 front armer so would use attak bike agenst them the venrable dred will take out light armer and gards men alike and the stern guard will proably take comanders with the captin

Without getting into army list specifics, as I am not a Marine player:

IG fields a few of the toughest, and loads of the weakest models in 40k, all on the same field.. so when loading out specifically to fight guard, you need to take a combination of strong anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons. Luckilly, you don't have to deal with much in the realm of Heavy Infantry with guard, so you can leave the Plasma at home.

Build your list with dedicated units with dedicated roles. Ensure you are capable of staving off the horde, while also bringing enough can openers for all those tanks.

The really rough part, is that guard can be played in so many different ways. Is he going fully mechanized? Better arm up those AC's and LC's. Is he going massive infantry blobs? Get the whirly and the flamers out... Or is he doing a mixture of the two?

As far as i know he has no chmeras but he dose have a valcary.
I forgot to mention i might add a Thunder fire as it is alsom at anti infantry but only 100 points

Grammar, please. Your post was very hard to understand.

Take just enough points worth of stuff to deal with his skimmers to your satisfaction, and then spend the rest on tac squads.

Vendettas exist to blow up shiny toys. Taking more of them will only hurt you.

Bavers wrote:need advice on how to fight gurd efectivly with space marines hear is my curent army list proably needs lots of improvment tho
HQ
captin with artificor and relic blade 145

troops
2x10 tacticals with rockits and flamers 340
+2xrhino 70

elites
venrable dred with asult cannon and tl autocannon 185
+drop pod 35
sterngurd with 2xcobie weps 135
+razorback 40
fast attk
attak bk with mm 50

have never fourght gurd before but heard roumers that leman russes have 14 front armer so would use attak bike agenst them the venrable dred will take out light armer and gards men alike and the stern guard will proably take comanders with the captin

Here are my suggestions
* Please work on your grammer. That kind of posts work well for tweets, but does not pass well here. Would your english teacher accept that?

* Drop your captain and get a librarian. A battle psyker squad can really cause big problems for you.

* Veln dreads are very expensive for what they give. Trade your dread for a normal one with 2* AC

* Don't bother drop podding said dread

* Will you be facing IG on foot? If so, keep the flamer in your TAC squads, otherwise swap them out with a MG

Aside from that it looks like a good start.

Thanks for the advice and I will try to improve my grammer but im not very good at English. Hear is my revised army list

HQ
Librarian with Might of Ancients and The avenger 100

Troops
10 man Tactical with flamer and missile launcher 170
10 man Tactical with MG and missile launcher and Rhino 210

Elites
Dreadnought with 2x TL autocannon 125
5 man Sternguard with 2xcombi and Razorback 175

Fast Attack
Land speeder with MM and Typhoon 100

Heavy support
Thunderfire 100


That brings me to 980 points. I was thinking about having my librarian in terminator armour but i could leave the points to add upgrades to my Tacticals

okay, seriously... don't bring a thunderfire cannon.

You're looking at a weapon that yoru opponent needs to either kill a single space marine OR glance AV10 once in order to completely shut down.

How hard do you anticipate your guard opponent will have to try to make that happen?

Thunderfire cannons are actually the hidden gem in the Space Marine codex. Sure they are fragile, most artillery is, but in cover they get a 3+ cover save (Bolster Defenses) and can rain down 4 blasts per turn at S6-5 they can deal a *lot* of damage. It's quite an intimidating amount of firepower for 100pts.

L. Wrex

Second list looks good, only maybe speeder has strange weapon combination for me, give him Typhoon and HB or MM and HB/HF. With tac squad take MM+MG and ML+plasmagun or flamer, maybe change sterns for dread with TL AC for support and give their razorback to first tac squad. Best way is to try this list on table, try it and you will see how this army works. Example of your list with my changes:

HQ
Librarian, Avenger, MoA..........................100 pts

TROOPS
10 men TAc squad, combi-melta, MM+MG, Rhino..........220 pts
10 men Tac squad, ML, FL, Razorback......210 pts

ELITE
Dreadnought, 2x TL AC...........................125 pts
Dreadnought, TL AC, MM........................105 pts

FAST
Speeder, MM, HB.....................................70 pts
Speeder, MM, HB.....................................70 pts

HEAVY
Thunderfire cannon...............................100 pts

990 pts

You can of course change some weapons in your units depends on enemy army, change MM for template and blast weapons if you will stand agains horde armies etc. Maybe this helps you in some ways.

I play Guard, and I've never met a thunderfire cannon that lived past turn 1. drop it and get some scouts with a heavy bolter, sniper rifles, and camo cloaks. or a predator.

alternatively, free up some points to drop in a vindicator. a s10 large blast marker kills whatever is under it.

Udunai wrote:Second list looks good, only maybe speeder has strange weapon combination for me, give him Typhoon and HB or MM and HB/HF. With tac squad take MM+MG and ML+plasmagun or flamer, maybe change sterns for dread with TL AC for support and give their razorback to first tac squad. Best way is to try this list on table, try it and you will see how this army works. Example of your list with my changes:

HQ
Librarian, Avenger, MoA..........................100 pts

TROOPS
10 men TAc squad, combi-melta, MM+MG, Rhino..........220 pts
10 men Tac squad, ML, FL, Razorback......210 pts

ELITE
Dreadnought, 2x TL AC...........................125 pts
Dreadnought, TL AC, MM........................105 pts

FAST
Speeder, MM, HB.....................................70 pts
Speeder, MM, HB.....................................70 pts

HEAVY
Thunderfire cannon...............................100 pts

990 pts

You can of course change some weapons in your units depends on enemy army, change MM for template and blast weapons if you will stand agains horde armies etc. Maybe this helps you in some ways.

I used this list and it destroyed. thunderfire killed 20 gardsmen 1st turn but then got blowen up. MM on speeders came in handy agenst a leman russ exocutioner but lost both tactical squads.
thanks for all of the advice. It will be usefull in future games

Bavers wrote: thunderfire killed 20 gardsmen 1st turn but then got blowen up.

That's quite impressive.

Now you'll just have to see if your opponent know the ending to "fool me twice..."