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At first playing orks I thought stikkbombs were used as a shooting attack as an auxillary grenade launcher. Why can't i throw them at a unit in the shooting phase?

Thrown grenades are not used in the actual tabletop 40k game. I think maybe vaguely the new DE book has some thrown grenades, but I may be mistaken.

Used to be around in 2nd edition. The closest I know of in 5th is the IG demo charge. Frag grenades at Str4, small blast marker, something like 6-12" range (or maybe model Str x 2") would be cool.

That's because in 2nd edition there was no such thing as Assault Grenades. Plus every single model in an army would not have them.


It was a lot like Necromunda back then anyway, meaning they had rules for the grenade flying everywhere if you miss or even exploding in your hand.

If someone was behing sandbags you should be able to use grenades to flush them out.

TNM wrote:If someone was behing sandbags you should be able to use grenades to flush them out.

You forget that this is the 41st Millennium where you bring a knife to a gunfight, and win.

TNM wrote:If someone was behing sandbags you should be able to use grenades to flush them out.

That's exactly how assault grenades are supposed to work.

I am of the opinion that a model with a Frag grenade should be able to make a special shooting attack with his Grenade instead of a normal weapon.

Range 6", Str3, AP6, Assault 1, only scatters D6.

The problem with thrown grenades lies within the weapon itself. A grenade produces a blast, a frag grenade would likely be Str 4 and ap6, very quickly, every model with frag grenades can have an s4 ap6 blast at their disposal; a unit of 10 marines would be able to deal the same damage as 10 missile launchers firing frag missles in 1 shooting phase.

Then you have kraks, specialised for use on vehicles. What would they do when thrown? S6 Ap3/4 blast?

And then meltabombs, Str8 AP1 blast?

That's just against infantry, what if you throw these grenades against vehicles?

I think it's assumed that outside of an assault, units are out of range with their grenades (remember that the tabletop is far from the correct scale for a skirmish, so two units 1" apart could still represent metres away). If you really want grenades in assault, then have a unit that is assaulted take 1 automatic hit per model with assault grenades that is charging them, that wound on a 6+ with armour saves allowed.

I don't know maybe a grenade that is meant for throwing would be nice.

You don't want my infantry-based Guard army to have thrown grenades.

Trust me.

Maybe on a roll of 1 with guard, they blow up in their face?

You're thinking Orks. Or maybe conscripts.

edit: Wait, conscripts don't have frags. So definitely Orks.

I was thinking more along the lines of human error/given a dud.

Orks would be a roll of 1-5.

Isnt thair a vortex grenade in appoc battles

TNM wrote:At first playing orks I thought stikkbombs were used as a shooting attack as an auxillary grenade launcher. Why can't i throw them at a unit in the shooting phase?

The range on assault rifles like bolters and las pistols is 24" at maximum and 12" for rapid fire. Comparing that to current ranges an AK or M16 is good to about 500meters on a steady shot or over 200 when firing rapidly.
Similarly pistols are rated at 12" mostly and todays pistols are good out to 100 meters.

How far can you throw a grenade? 10 meters? Its not a baseball, it weighs around 2kg. Try throwing something like that and see how far you can get it.


6" is WAY TO FAR to consider

I'd say how far you can through farther depending on your strenghth. A warboss would throw farther than a grot

Going with idea of TNM how about the gernades range is the same as the units strength. So a marine would throw a gernade 4" while a ork would throw it 3". If you did this not every uniy would have gernades and you will have to pay for them.

Grenades work alright the way they do now.

I'd say both Krak and Melta are sticky bomb type weapons that don't really function well when thrown. They need to be placed onto a surface to explode. Assault grenades would be very weak, probably S2, AP- range = 2xstrength

They're pretty useless as a thrown weapon so best represented as the ability to avoid striking last when charging into cover. The real change that should be made, is making grenades rarer, so charging into cover without them is the norm rather than the exception.

!. limited grenades
2. I once upon a time devised a sort of strength check but I forgot it(but a 1 will kill the person throwing)(possibly [str+d6]/2")
3. frag grenades have sharp armor piercing pieces they shouldnt have ap6
4.I just through a 3kg brick 5m and i'm unfit so a 2kg grenade should be no problem for a fit wo/man, yes i weighed and threw a brick

and most importantly 5. please don't hurt me

given that cover is a bit too strong, and grenades are mostly only used in real life to flush out enemies from cover, grenades could maybe do something like negate cover for a round (if in very close range) AND get initiative 10 for an assault,( instead of just not being penalized).

how often to grenades actually kill something in the open anyway? probably never. giving a whole unit extra blast weapons is way too much i think.

Melissia wrote:You're thinking Orks. Or maybe conscripts.

edit: Wait, conscripts don't have frags. So definitely Orks.

Nah.

Orks would just beat people over the head with the Grenades until either the grenade goes off or until the Ork gets bored.

Maybe a rule for a each unit once per game can throw a grenade into a unit behind conver

mrsmith wrote:given that cover is a bit too strong, and grenades are mostly only used in real life to flush out enemies from cover, grenades could maybe do something like negate cover for a round (if in very close range) AND get initiative 10 for an assault,( instead of just not being penalized).

how often to grenades actually kill something in the open anyway? probably never. giving a whole unit extra blast weapons is way too much i think.

given that grenades dont kill often they should "wound"(hurt) slow units down, take cc advantages away for a couple turns

Like they cannot do something due to the grenades's effects like it could blur their vision so they cannot shoot or they have BS 2 or even 1

*light beam descends from sky* i understand now... grenades are too useful and to balance them takes a game wth real time, it is for the greater good that we must either discard or over simplify grenades, (i still want to blind people with my photon grenades though)

Like maybe only a certain type of unit can take a grenade. They would not be overloaded with frags or other grenades.

Imagine this...assault grenades. Now where did I read that?

brandon noble wrote:Imagine this...assault grenades. Now where did I read that?

Way to be constructive.

Avatar 720 wrote:

brandon noble wrote:Imagine this...assault grenades. Now where did I read that?

Way to be constructive.

Way to be Constructive.


And now to actually be constructive!

Yeah, personally I understand adn somewhat appreciate the way Grenades are played right now. Yeah, I think that maybe there should be more Defensive grenades, or Terrain Clearing grenades, or something, so it'd be a choice between a few varieties, bujt that's one of the best abstractions that GW has done in this ruleset in my opinion. In a world where everyone's wearing high tech armour (or has really tough skin), I could see a small frag 'nade being little more than something to use to distract an opponent as you charge them. An being a small, cheap grenade, it's going to be, well, cheap. And readily available for everyone.