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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 19:20:14
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons. (game 5 added)
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Thought it was about time to start writing up my very own battle reports. So here it is my very first.
For some history, this is my 3rd GT, and 2nd larger GT Ive ever attended. Just recently got into attending GT's back in Oct. Myself and a group of friends have been hunting down the majority of local tournaments in Northern Cali.
The tournament was a 2 day 5 game event at 2000pts. I came into it knowing it was going to be soft/paint score heavy (just as the Grand Waagh was). However, I guess i didnt realize how bad it would be haha. (You will understand more towards the end). But it didnt matter, our crew came down Zero Comp repping haha. Overall, though we still had a lot of fun. Met a lot of new people. And our boy Frankie G. (white925), brought home 1st prize for Nor Cal haha.
Now, on to the battle reports. I've forgotten everyones names of who i played, so if your reading this feel free to drop your name and your actual list. As im going off the top of my head. Also sorry for the lack of pictures, I had given my camera to reece to use. Which he even forgot to use haha.
I brought out my current Tourny build, fatecrusher daemons to the event.
Game 1.
HQ
Fateweaver-333pts
Herald of Tzeentch on chariot-100pts
-Bolt-
-Master-
Herald of Tzeentch on Chariot-100pts
-Bolt-
-Master-
Elites
Bloodcrushers-6x- 280pts
-Icon-
-intru-
-fury-
Bloodcrushers-6x-280pts
-icon-
-intru-
-fury-
Fiends-6x- 190pts
-might-
Troops
Plaguebearers-6x-115pts
-Icon-
Plaguebearers-5x-75pts
Plaguebearers-5x-75pts
Fast
Seekers-14x- 224pts
Heavy
Daemon Prince- 225pts
-wings-
-MOT-
-Bolt-
-gaze-
-intru.-
Opponent- Space wolves -(List from what i can remember)
HQ
Wolf Lord on TWC-
-Storm shield-
-sage of the warrior born-
-frost blade-
Wolf Lord on TWC-
-storm shield-
-sage of the bear-
-thunder hammer-
Rune Priest-
-jaws-
-(idk what else it had haha)
Troops
Grey Hunters 10 or 5x?-
-melta-
-wolfin-
Rhino-
(rune priest was in here)
Grey Hunters 5x-
-melta-
-wolfin-
Razorback-
-Not sure what turret, assuming heavy bolter
Grey Hunters 5x-
-melta-
-wolfin-
Razorback-
-Not sure what turret, assuming heavy bolter
Fast
TWC- 3x-
-Storm shield x1-
-Fist-
TWC- 3x-
-Storm shield x1-
-Fist-
Heavy
Long Fangs x 6: M.Launchers x 5
Long Fangs x 6: lascannons x 5
The mission was Try, try, tri. Deployment was corner based, having you set up 24in up, 36 across with a 12in range from the edges. There were 3 object markers. One placed in the middle of the board worth 2 pts each full turn, and 1 object in the middle of each open table corner worth 1 pt each full turn. The object was to hold the objects for a full turn without being contested at any point durning a turn.
I quickly noticed the lack of storm shields on his TWC, which would make this a uphill battle for him. I have lots of experience against TWC spam, and wolf star. I'm a strong believe that they should all be kitted to have storm shields.
We rolled off and I got first turn. I also got my chosen wave. He decided to leave both his razorbacks in reserve and the game started. I DSed everything near the middle objective and made a perimeter around it with fateweaver within range of of a model from each unit. I threw the 6 man plague unit with icon on the objective at the far corner near his long table edge. And basically just waited for him to come to me since he had to haha.
End result.
Massacre for me.
Bad match up for him based on mission. Since i could just land near the objectives turn one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 19:53:24
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Fixture of Dakka
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I guess win or lose the tournament, it doesn't matter as long as you get to facestomp your opponent. Lol. Just kidding. I know your comp is pretty low, but it's mind-boggling how you can end up with the record that you had, have a nicely painted army and still finish so low.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 20:11:03
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Game 2.
Opponent- Orks
HQ
Warboss-
-Bike-
-powerklaw-
Big Mek-
-Kff-
Elites
Lootas-10x-
Mega Nobz-4x-
-Battlewagon-
Troops
Nob Bikers-6x-
-wound allocation-ed out.
Boyz-18 or 20x shoota boyz- ( big mek attached)
-nob-
-powerklaw-
Boyz-18 or 20 slugga boyz-
-nob-
-powerklaw-
Boyz-12x slugga boyz-
-nob-
-powerklaw-
-Trukk-
Boyz-12x slugga boyz-
-Nob-
-Trukk
-powerklaw-
Heavy
Battlewagon- (big mek with shoota boyz)
-deff rolla-
Battlewagon- (18x slugga boyz)
-Zapp gun-
Killa kans-3x-
-sorcha-1x
-blasta- 2x
Mission 2: Goals Not Guns 2.0.
12in deployment 6 objectives. you place a objective anywhere ON your board eldge. (As in touching the edge of the board). and place 2 objectives anywhere in the center of the board (12in away from each other) on your opponents half of the field. 12in from the table sides. I placed my objective in the corner to my right on my table edge he placed his centrally on his.
I got first once again and got my preferred wave.
I play orks normally. And had orks as my old competitive build till I downsized them quite a bit. So I knew what I was looking at. Orks have a very hard time against assaulty daemon armies, as we just do it better.
I placed everything centrally and within 6 of fateweaver after runs. And threw a unit of plague bearers on my objective in the corner as bait to his nob bikers.
End result.
Massacre for me.
The game would have ended as a minor to me turn 5 as he had 15 boyz surrounded by my army in the middle. But it went on another turn and I ended up tabling him earning me the massacre. Again bad match up for him, I just feel like orks dont have the answers needed to deal with what this list brings to the table.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 20:13:08
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Dakka Veteran
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On a scale of 1-10, I serisously could only see it as a 4 at worst...It really isn't that bad! I don't understand the whole soft score deal especially at a GT........It would seem logical that someone with an undefeated record would definately be in the top 3-5 finishers even with a slightly lower comp score as long as the paintjob was good which several have already said about your army!!
Tough luck but awesome job and an even better showing....doing what you did at a GT deserves respect!
cheers,
Phillip
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 20:20:11
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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jy2 wrote:I guess win or lose the tournament, it doesn't matter as long as you get to facestomp your opponent. Lol. Just kidding. I know your comp is pretty low, but it's mind-boggling how you can end up with the record that you had, have a nicely painted army and still finish so low.
Haha, funny enough I believe there was no actual "comp" scores. They did have sportsmanship which I recieved 4 out 5 pts on. What actually took me out of the tournament was scoring a 7 out of 32 or 37 (dont remember actual point total on paint). Just because I had 3 unpainted models lol.
I finished tied in 2nd for best general. with 4 massacres and a major. and basically lower 4th of the standings for overall lol. What can you do.
I'll have the next 3 games posted within the next couple of days
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 20:28:07
Subject: Re:Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Yeah, I couldn't believe how low you finished. You were one of 2 guys to go undefeated and you almost maxed out battle points.
Plus, your army is painted super nicely. Everything is airbrushed and sweet looking. The fact that you had 3 unpainted models should not have dropped you out of the running and into the bottom of the event.
And yeah, sorry I forgot to take more pictures with your camera! hahaha. I drank too many beers. Automatically Appended Next Post: Just2Firece said it though, you did really well and I wouldn't even worry about your final standing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 20:43:59
Subject: Re:Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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can't wait to read the rest!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 21:22:04
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Fixture of Dakka
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italiaplaya wrote:
The tournament was a 2 day 5 game event at 2000pts. I came into it knowing it was going to be soft/paint score heavy (just as the Grand Waagh was). However, I guess i didnt realize how bad it would be haha. (You will understand more towards the end). But it didnt matter, our crew came down Zero Comp repping haha.
Not directed specifically at you, but as a general question...
I've taken some flak in other threads for bemoaning the death of friendly tournaments in the face of the new wave of ultra-competitive mentality that seems to be going around. And, in several of those threads, I've pretty much been told that if I don't enjoy the ultra-competitive side of the game, I should limit myself to fluffy events, like this Broadsides Bash.
Okay, I can respect that argument.
But, if that is the way that ultra-competitive players expect us casually competitive players to behave, why are you showing up to fluffy events with ultra-competitive zero-comp armies? If you're (Not specifically you italiaplaya, but the general community) asking the casually competitive players to respect your zero-comp events, why can you not show the same respect to the casual tournaments and bring lists that are more appropriate for those settings?
If I say, I'm sick of playing against min-max space wolves, and your response is that I should go to events like Broadsides Bash, where comp is factored in, doesn't it invalidate your argument when Broadsides Bash is also a haven of min-max space wolf lists?
You may say, "well, they might be there, but they're not winning" - but winning the event, while important to the casually competitive, isn't as important as enjoying playing the games. It seems somewhat unfair to tell someone that they should stick to comp events if they don't want to play against min-max ultra-competitive lists, only to then bring ultra-competitive lists to those comp events - and even complain about "how bad [the scoring] would be" at them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 21:23:56
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Game 3.
Opponent- Blood Angels
HQ
Meph.
Librarian-
-jump pack-
(not sure what powers)
Elites
Priest-
-jumppack-
Corbo-
Troops
Death company-5x-
-jump packs-
-upgrade character forgot his name. Lemartes maybe?
Assault marines-5x- (corbo attached)
-melta-
-Razorback-
Assault marines-5x-
-melta-
-Razorback-
Assault marines-10x- (librarian and priest attached)
-jump packs
-melta-
-power weapon-
Fast
Baal Pred.
-assault cannon
-heavy bolters
Heavy
Storm Raven- (death company)
Storm Raven-(meph.)
Mission: Provide No Quarter.
Basically a victory point mission. Using table quarter deployment. Pretty simple.
He got first. And i got my preferred wave once again.
After looking at my opponents list, there was nothing that I was really scared of. His list was very small on table and once again was assault oriented. Which my list can do way better.
First turn he scouted his storm ravens and baal to push me back. I came down centrally in my table corner once again with fateweaver hiding behind my units and within 6in of everything after all run moves.
Next turn he shoots literally everything he has at fateweaver and does nothing. His death company hopped out of the storm raven in a attempt to assault my seekers which he failed to be in range after he shot at them. Meph assaults my blood crushers, which quite frankly was a very bad move haha. he ends up taking 3 wounds from the crushers loses combat but nothing other then that.
my turn I assault his death company with my fiends and seekers kill all of them but the character.
fateweaver looks at meph and attempts to turn him into a spawn. Which he indeed does as my opponent rolls a 6. Which didnt make a difference, he wouldnt have made it pass this assault phase with my crushers.
End result.
Massacre for me.
He didnt have much experience against daemons which could have helped. He would have had a better chance if he stayed in his transports and ran around for as long as he could. But once again I must say that a assault oriented marine list doesnt have much of a chance against my list. Especially with fateweaver near by.
bad match up for him, especially with the mission.
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Redbeard wrote:italiaplaya wrote:
The tournament was a 2 day 5 game event at 2000pts. I came into it knowing it was going to be soft/paint score heavy (just as the Grand Waagh was). However, I guess i didnt realize how bad it would be haha. (You will understand more towards the end). But it didnt matter, our crew came down Zero Comp repping haha.
Not directed specifically at you, but as a general question...
I've taken some flak in other threads for bemoaning the death of friendly tournaments in the face of the new wave of ultra-competitive mentality that seems to be going around. And, in several of those threads, I've pretty much been told that if I don't enjoy the ultra-competitive side of the game, I should limit myself to fluffy events, like this Broadsides Bash.
Okay, I can respect that argument.
But, if that is the way that ultra-competitive players expect us casually competitive players to behave, why are you showing up to fluffy events with ultra-competitive zero-comp armies? If you're (Not specifically you italiaplaya, but the general community) asking the casually competitive players to respect your zero-comp events, why can you not show the same respect to the casual tournaments and bring lists that are more appropriate for those settings?
If I say, I'm sick of playing against min-max space wolves, and your response is that I should go to events like Broadsides Bash, where comp is factored in, doesn't it invalidate your argument when Broadsides Bash is also a haven of min-max space wolf lists?
You may say, "well, they might be there, but they're not winning" - but winning the event, while important to the casually competitive, isn't as important as enjoying playing the games. It seems somewhat unfair to tell someone that they should stick to comp events if they don't want to play against min-max ultra-competitive lists, only to then bring ultra-competitive lists to those comp events - and even complain about "how bad [the scoring] would be" at them.
As I said, I knew the event was going to be more hobby oriented. I just didnt realize having 3 unpainted models was really going to affect me that bad. If i were to have those 3 models painted. I would have effectually placed top 5. But since I didnt, I placed lower 4th of the standings. And again it was a fun event, met a lot of new players and spread out word of our GT that will be coming up soon. A lot of people did find my list to be "cheese" and mean. But what can you do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 21:35:48
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
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I've run daemons for quite awhile. I've always been put off by Fateweaver's 1 wound and he fades away rule. For fewer points, I can run a bloodthirster or something. Does Fateweaver really make that big of a difference? How often does he fade away when you play him?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 21:47:11
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tilter at Windmills
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Nice reports, thanks!
I do think Redbeard has a point, but I don't think you advanced that argument, so it's not really an issue with you at all. Just an interesting observation in an ongoing discussion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 21:49:18
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Shenra wrote:I've run daemons for quite awhile. I've always been put off by Fateweaver's 1 wound and he fades away rule. For fewer points, I can run a bloodthirster or something. Does Fateweaver really make that big of a difference? How often does he fade away when you play him?
haha, a lot of people seem to always say that online. From my experience he has only ever faded away once EVER. Might I add it was pretty bad as it was first turn of the game, and the first unit that shot at him lol. Bad luck. He rarely dies in games. Infact he only died once this past weekend in 5 games.
But to answer your question, he actually makes my list what it is. He makes my list considered "cheesy". Everyone that has ever played against a list with fateweaver has learned to hate him. He makes a world of a difference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 21:55:13
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Awesome Autarch
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@Shenra
Italiaplaya beat me to it! Fateweaver rules.
Italiaplaya was running Bloodthirster and dropped him because he didn't add anything. Fateweaver is so much better.
@Mannahnin
I think he was more upset that his painting score dropped like 20 points because of 3 unpainted models which was the same as losing all 5 games.
Hobby events are all well and good, no problem, but that is a bit harsh for any kind of event, I think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:06:55
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Reecius wrote:
@Mannahnin
I think he was more upset that his painting score dropped like 20 points because of 3 unpainted models which was the same as losing all 5 games.
Hobby events are all well and good, no problem, but that is a bit harsh for any kind of event, I think.
I disagree. It isn't like the rules aren't published. In my exerience, if a tournament requires painted models, then it REQUIRES painted models, and armies that don't meet that criteria should be scored zero.
You should know that going in, and either accept the forfeiture of those points, make an effort to get them painted, or make a list that doesn't involve those models.
But that's not really the point I was trying to make. You, and I apologize if I misread this, took the same army to the broadside bash as you take to no-comp ultra-competitive events. If your list is rocking up the scores at those events, why do you believe that list is appropriate to bring to a comp event?
How can you tell people that aren't into the ultra-competitive scene that they should go to comp events, only to crash those comp events with non-comp lists?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:21:27
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Redbeard wrote:Reecius wrote:
@Mannahnin
I think he was more upset that his painting score dropped like 20 points because of 3 unpainted models which was the same as losing all 5 games.
Hobby events are all well and good, no problem, but that is a bit harsh for any kind of event, I think.
I disagree. It isn't like the rules aren't published. In my exerience, if a tournament requires painted models, then it REQUIRES painted models, and armies that don't meet that criteria should be scored zero.
You should know that going in, and either accept the forfeiture of those points, make an effort to get them painted, or make a list that doesn't involve those models.
But that's not really the point I was trying to make. You, and I apologize if I misread this, took the same army to the broadside bash as you take to no-comp ultra-competitive events. If your list is rocking up the scores at those events, why do you believe that list is appropriate to bring to a comp event?
How can you tell people that aren't into the ultra-competitive scene that they should go to comp events, only to crash those comp events with non-comp lists?
Yes, I bring this list to any large tournament I go too. Whether it be comp or not. If its a competitive environment I will also bring it out to smaller local events. But for the most part I keep my orks for smaller events and casual play.
I still dont understand what this has to do with anything. Im questioning there painting scores, not there comp/sportmanship. Those scores didnt even hold me back to begin with for if i had gotten higher paint scores I still would have placed top 3.
Lastly, when did I ever tell anyone to do anything? You keep bring up all this, telling hobby people to stay at hobby events. When did I ever state that, or begin to state that? Do you have the wrong person?
Myself and our crew will begin to start wearing our Zero Comp t-shirts along side our zero comp armies.Hopefully you'll see us soon at a tourny near you
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:22:30
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Italiaplayer, IIRC it's a continuation of an ongoing discussion Redbeard has had with Reecius and others. As I said above, the points he's raising are not directly a discussion with you, but the lists seen in your and his reports are very interesting data points in that discussion.
Reecius wrote:@Mannahnin
I think he was more upset that his painting score dropped like 20 points because of 3 unpainted models which was the same as losing all 5 games.
Hobby events are all well and good, no problem, but that is a bit harsh for any kind of event, I think.
That is a big hit, but I've been used to that kind of thing in painting scoring for the last decade or so (as long as I've been doing tournaments). I remember the first two questions on the old GW 10 question RT checklist were (roughly):
2 pts: Is every model in this army completely painted, with at least three colors and no primer or bare plastic or metal exposed?
2 pts: Is EVERY LAST MODEL in this army completely painted? (If you were soft answering the last one, DON'T be soft now!).
 That's 20%-40% of the points gone if you have a a single unpainted model. And that's with a pretty darn forgiving checklist. I used to socre 14 or 16 out of 20 on that thing, with my crappy first army, my Eldar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:24:12
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Awesome Autarch
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@Redbeard
Well, I hear what you are saying, but I don't think I (or the rest of our team) really "crashed" the event.
There are a lot more factors at play here.
For one, I knew like 85% of the people at this tournament, they are all my friends.
For two, they dropped comp this year. Well, officially they dropped comp. They included the "hardcore" bonus which was essentially comp but in a different guise.
For three, I didn't plan on bringing that list. I was bringing a really mild Nid list but I have been so busy lately with work I have not been able to finish painting them and so brought my Wolves as they are painted and I didn't want to Bring my IG (my other fully painted tournament army) as there were already a huge amount of IG armies.
A lot of guys brought "tough" tournament lists. I didn't feel guilty about bringing my army at all.
But I do understand what you are saying. The rules were clearly posted and we knew what to expect coming in.
I actually suggested to Italiaplaya that he put Bloodthirster back into his list (fully painted) as he would get a big dock for having unpainted models.
We are still just complaining about it as it does seem overly harsh, however, you are right. It was clearly posted.
@Mannahnin
Yeah I agree, most paint rubrics today don't hit you so hard for a few unpainted models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:30:30
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Beast of Nurgle
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The deamon list that italia brought really isn't that cheesy he shouldnt get docked any points on comp, if you have ever played against it like i have it is really not to hard to beat. But the reason people think it is cheesy is cause most people dont ever play against deamons so they dont know how to play against them. Plus the main reason comp doesnt work for this game or any game is that when people lose people get hurt feelings and thats all comp is is how you feel when you lose or when doesnt make any sense to have comp in a game where there is a LOSER and a winner. You could bring the fluffiest list ever but if you stomp someones face in there still going to mark you down on comp. So what im trying to say is it doesnt matter what kinda list you bring to a comp event unless you bring a list that cant win like no scoring unit blood angels.... All the power to ya italia you should have won sorry for takin 1st
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:32:41
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tilter at Windmills
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Comp can be and often is subjective. Especially when it's player-scored after a game. As far as I can tell, though, this event didn't have player-scored Comp, so I don't know why you brought it up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:37:20
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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[ARTICLE MOD]
Fixture of Dakka
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italiaplaya wrote:
Lastly, when did I ever tell anyone to do anything? You keep bring up all this, telling hobby people to stay at hobby events. When did I ever state that, or begin to state that? Do you have the wrong person?
I do not, as I said in my first post, mean you as specifically you, but in the more general sense. My questions are more philisophical in nature.
There has been an ongoing debate, carried in several threads on dakka, as well as several blogs.
It goes something like:
Me: I think space wolves are overpowered, and i'm getting really bored playing them.
someone else: space wolves are fine, people should play the most powerful lists and units.
me: I find the game more interesting when there ismore variety in what is played.
them: but we like playing with the top things, why shouldn't we have events that reward that? If you would rather not play againt these lists, play in comp events.
So you see, my next question, to those of this mindset, is that if i'm expected to respect the ultra-competitive. Scene - which I do- why are lists from that mindset showing up at the comp events too. Can't the ultra-competitve player respect the nature of these events too?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:41:09
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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white925 wrote:The deamon list that italia brought really isn't that cheesy he shouldnt get docked any points on comp, if you have ever played against it like i have it is really not to hard to beat. But the reason people think it is cheesy is cause most people dont ever play against deamons so they dont know how to play against them. Plus the main reason comp doesnt work for this game or any game is that when people lose people get hurt feelings and thats all comp is is how you feel when you lose or when doesnt make any sense to have comp in a game where there is a LOSER and a winner. You could bring the fluffiest list ever but if you stomp someones face in there still going to mark you down on comp. So what im trying to say is it doesnt matter what kinda list you bring to a comp event unless you bring a list that cant win like no scoring unit blood angels.... All the power to ya italia you should have won sorry for takin 1st
haha, what why sorry? So long as one of us won. Good job on taking first with your "fluffy" nurgle chaos army lol. And, I do believe you hit the nail right on its head. Not many people play against daemons, or have the experience to know what to do against my list. But i do consider my list to be competitive.
Anyways, everything in my list should be fully painted by the end of this month. And cant wait to attend the next GT.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 22:56:18
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Awesome Autarch
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@Redbeard
You make a good point, and I hear where you are coming from.
Honestly it is a sticky problem. Younger guys that I game with don't even get comp at all. Older guys who have been around for a while understand where it came from as the game used to be horribly out of balance.
There is a disconnect between the gamers who remember how important it was to bring a "themed" list or what have you.
Players newer to the game often don't see the point, it is a strange concept to them.
Another issue is that this is advertised as a Golden Ticket, GT event. That means they are inviting competitive players to come, you know?
In reality the BSB is more of a Lamb in Wolves clothing. It wants to be a hobby event that acts like a GT.
So, when you bring all of these people together, you can get conflict.
But at any rate, criticisms aside, we had a good time and all of us scored high on sportsmanship which I think tells the really story. No one didn't have fun playing against us, stompy lists and all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 18:08:38
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Game 4.
Opponent- IG (list from what i remember)
HQ
Company Command squad-5 or 10x-
-guy that gave them feel no pain-
-powerfist-
-minus 1 to his reserves-
-3 melta-
Elites
PBS-10x-
Troops
Vet squad-10x-
-powerfist-
-3 melta-
-1 heavy flamer-
Vet squad-10x-
-powerfist-
-3 melta-
-1 heavy flamer-
Vet squad-10x-
-powerfist-
-3 melta-
-1 heavy flamer-
Vet squad-10x-
-powerfist-
-3 melta-
-1 heavy flamer-
Vet squad-10x-
-powerfist-
-3 melta-
-1 heavy flamer-
Fast
Valkyries-3x-
(CCS, PBS, and 1 vet squad)
Vendetta-2x-
(2 vet squads)
Vendetta-2x-
(2 vet squads)
Mission: Ground Control.
Name of the game was to control table corners.
I gave him first, and got my preferred wave once again.
At first glance I was thinking wow what a bad match up for me, especially with the mission. I only had 3 scoring units, to his 5. And all his were fast as hell haha.
He kept a sqaudron of vendettas in reserve that came in on turn 2. And scout moved his other 2 squadrons pushing me back on my turn to my table corner.
At first the game was looking pretty bad when he took out fateweaver turn 2 with all the vendettas lascannon shots. And dominated my seekers with the valkyries once fateweaver went down. A shred of light came in once i started taking down valkyries and getting into assault ranges.
At turn 5 we were at a draw. He had 1 vendetta with vets to my left corner, and was contesting the corner to my right with a valkyrie with vets as well. we rolled to see if the game went on and yes it did. I then managed to basically kill everything he had, leaving only his CCS in a lone corner.
End Result-
Major victory.
Tough game for me, dont know what I could have changed that game. He had the mobility and firepower to take out single units. But once birds started dropping the list kind of died out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 18:19:00
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons. (game 4 added)
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
Hopping on the pain wagon
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These are great reports man! Any Null Zone to deal with? That is an awesome thing about blood angels and space wolves being ascendant right now is that null zone is much more rare. Automatically Appended Next Post: What was in the fluffy nurgle list?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 18:27:55
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons. (game 4 added)
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Somnicide wrote:These are great reports man! Any Null Zone to deal with? That is an awesome thing about blood angels and space wolves being ascendant right now is that null zone is much more rare.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
What was in the fluffy nurgle list?
No, no null zone to play against lol. However I know how to play against it now. Seeing as it only works for invul. saves. Just make sure fateweaver has a cover haha. rerollable 4 plus isnt to bad.
I think all straight nurgle chaos lists got the hardcore points. But whites list had 2 nurgle DPs, 4 squads of plaguemarines in rhinos, 6 oblitz, and a greater daemon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 18:35:16
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons. (game 4 added)
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
Hopping on the pain wagon
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Heh, nice. I am thinking of doing an all nurgle daemon list sometime in the not too distant future. Jaws is the null zone to that list though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 19:30:00
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons. (game 4 added)
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Maddening Mutant Boss of Chaos
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So how did you take the vendettas down, exactly?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 19:35:57
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons. (game 4 added)
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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tinfoil wrote:So how did you take the vendettas down, exactly?
I have 4 str.8 ap1 shots. And my fiends took a majority of them down. crushers took out the last 2 of them in assault. Automatically Appended Next Post: Game 5.
Opponent- Space Marines.
HQ
Master of he forge-
Elites
Sternguard-5x-
-4x combi flamers-
-1x combi melta-
-Drop Pod
Troops
Tac. Squad-10x-
-melta-
-powerweapon-
-missile launcher-
-Drop Pod-
Tac. Squad-10x-
-melta-
-powerweapon-
-missile launcher-
-Drop Pod-
Tac. Squad-10x-
-melta-
-powerweapon-
-mutli melta-
-Drop Pod-
Fast
Landspeeder-
-multi melta-
-heavy flamer-
Landspeeder-
-multi melta-
-heavy flamer-
Landspeeder-
-heavy bolter-
-assault cannon-
Heavy
Iron Clad Dread-
-2x DCCW
-melta-
-heavy flamer-
-Drop Pod-
Dreadnaught-
-twin heavy flamer-
-heavy flamer-
-Drop Pod-
Ven. Dread-
-2x DCCW
-melta-
-heavy flamer-
-Drop Pod-
Mission: A Numbers game.
Kill points with a twist. You add up how many kill points you have half it round down and add 1 to that number. If you reach that number by turn 4 you get a massacre, turn 5 major and so on, so forth.
Deployment was similar too Try, Try, Tri. But that didnt matter we both were DS everything. (he kept his speeders in reserve though)
I got first turn, and i got my preferred wave once again. (getting it all 5 games)
This was going to be a uphill battle for him from the start. Me getting first allowed me to DS and hopefully get first charges off, depending on how far his DS's were. He also had a ass load of kill points, most of them being pretty easy to take out.
The table was packed with terrain, so I landed everything I had on the only open spot of the table. couple of things scatters nothing bad happened. Next turn all his dreads came down, along with his HQ and sternguard. They killed the majority of my seekers leaving about 6 or 7 left.
my turn I assaulted the stern guard with my remaining seekers and moved my other units back our of assault range. If my army is afraid of anything, dreads would be it.
He gets 2 of his troops in and 1 speeder turn 2. One of the dreads gets into combat with the seekers as only the HQ is left after the assault phase, the other dreads move up closer. seekers hold there ground and kill off the HQ and are now stuck in CC.
My next unit of crushers come in along with my 2 other troop choices and other herald. Fateweaver goes after the ironclad in a attempt to hold him back. My new crusher unit blocks off the Ven. dread with there run. I kill a couple more drop pods the speeder, and my other unit of crushers assault the tac. squad.
Dont remember much in detail. But fateweaver ends up killing the ironclad in assault on my turn 4, the fiends kill the other 2 speeders, all but one or drop pods are left. and my crusher unit is stuck in with his ven. dread. My Dp still doesnt come in.
After his turn 4, It looks like I dont have the massacre. He decides we should count it up, and I somehow have exactly 11 kps giving me the massacre.
I knew I had a pretty good chance against him if I got first turn and i could hold back his dreads. Which is what happened.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Overall fun event, met a lot of new people. Ended up finishing tied for 2 for Best General, and somewhere in the lower 4th of the standing for overall score.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/25 00:17:10
Subject: Broadside Bash GT. 2000pt Daemons. (game 5 added)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Good btrp italiaplaya. You run a powerful Daemons list.
Wow, it's rare to see Air Cav IG any any games. Any pics?
Getting nailed to lower 4th by paint score is harsh. At least you tied for Best General.
Thanks for sharing.
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