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HQ

Dante 225

Sangunior 275

Elites

Sanguinary Guard 280
2 x infernus pistol
2 x plasma pistol
1 x angelus pistol and PF w/Banner

Sanguniary Priest 290
Sanguinary w/jump pack/infernus pistol/PW
Sanguinary w/jump pack/ infernus pistol
Sanguinary w/jump pack/ PW

Troops
Assualt Marines 2 melta gun 225
Sergeant w/PW

Assualt Marines 2 melta gun 225
Sergeant w/PW

Assualt Marines 2 melta gun 235
Sergeant w/PF

Fast Attack 235
Vanguard w/jump pack
Sergeant w/PF
4 x PW

1990

The Sanguinary Guard are troops with Dante in the list. This looks like a good list. With the extra 10pts you can give the 2 PW sarges meltabombs in the assault squads.

Loose the vangaurds and put in a stormraven. It's the same amount of points with the hurricane bolters. Every other gun is free

Bloodjunkey: I test played with the Stormraven.....and I plan to painted with a huge bulls eyes. I and I do me I find it a waste of space in this list. Think about 1 Model compaired to 5 Models

Those two HQs are costing 500 points between them a 1/4 of your army list. You're not using Dante to his full abilities so you're basically paying 225 just to deep strike a unit of target and Sanguinor doesn't do a fat lot, just makes a Sgt a Captain.

Sanguinary Guard are cool.

Priests come with nothing. Zero. Zippo. Why? Because they're just a booster unit to help you survive better, if they get into combat they will die power weapon or not costing more points in the process.

All Assault Squads are fine.

Vanguard should have more power fists in case you find yourself against armour.

Too many points spent in HQ's, 2 Librarians would work better and that saves you 300 points!

Sangunie Warrior: Libby doesnt grants any ablies to any of its units plus they only have two wounds with no Inv save. Too many anti Pschyic armies out there now.

Mercer: the Priest does have PW, they are there to grant the any within 6' unit FnP and Furious Charge, so I will be going first in assualt.

Dante ablity are very useful, againt any HQ that i don't like.

I have test play this army verison and quite like it.

I would drop the Sanguinor. He's costing a lot of points on top of Dante. I field that exact combo a lot of the time but only in 2500 point lists. for 275 points you could field another Assault squad and a couple other upgrades for your squads you could also drop the P. pistols on the S guard and pick up another priest for the squad with a pack and infernos pistol or P. sword.

Or you could field another squad of S. Guard as Dante makes them troops.

Why does no one seem to use thunder hammer terminators with storm shields. they are walking tanks

Some humble thoughts;

If you like the Sanguinor, play him...but he's a point sink imo. Ever lose 3 terminators to dakka fire? I have...many times. That's basically what Sang is---3 terminator saves worth of wounds. That's 275 points which buys a honor squad...and trust me...you'll fall in love with those guys and Dante. 4 Meltas/flamers and his ability....more on that below.

4 Priests are too many and with Dante, you really should try to take an honor squad w/ melta/flamers. I would drop a couple of priests and pick up an honor squad w/ melta/flamers. Why?

Honor Squad has a hidden priest
Dante lets them drop anywhere on the board with no scatter
Melta/Flamer Honor squad w/ Dante precision = pick a unit and/or vehicle and watch it disappear

PW in Assault Squads is a good combo with Priests...but if you meet a Dread/Walker and/or fail a melta shot against one (which happens even with 2 meltas), that squad is dead. I would consider a fist or two for your Sargs. Str. 9 Power Fists on the charge start to threaten a wide array of vehicles plus scares many ICs.

Vanguard are fun/good but I'm not sure you need that many PWs. It's good to have a bullet catcher or two in the squad as this squad is the most likely to be out of a Priest bubble (due to heroic not allowing priest attachment). I would drop a couple of PWs and add melta bombs....as these guys can threaten vehicle with their heroic (and people forget to move vehicles for these guys all the time).

Lastly, I'm of the belief all DoA armies should have first turn Dev support. You should give a couple squads a try with ML and see if it opens up your game a bit.


Again, humble thoughts...if you like your army play it!

An easy answer to your question Gorgan: This is a DoA list, all deep striking and everyone has jump pack, even though the Term has the abiliy to deep strike as well, the mobilty of the Term is only 6' compaired to 12' for a jump pack unit. I hope that help.


Thanks AgeofEgos, I completely over look the Honor Guard.

This is very close to my DOA list, the only difference being I took 2 dreads in drop pods over 5 extra men and the VV.

oh k sweet angles arent really my strong suit all i know is everytime i vs them with my khorne army i get raped

hey doubled i was wondering how the two dreads in pods work out in your doa list and the loadout. thanks!

In using Dante and the Sanguinor, you could use the sanguinary guard to the best effect as your troops and have Honor guard for your main melta uses, leaving only Vanguard vet sgts to be a viable target for the sanguinors buff.

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:

Mercer: the Priest does have PW, they are there to grant the any within 6' unit FnP and Furious Charge, so I will be going first in assualt.

No, you won't be going first in assault. You will be going most times and you misunderstand me. In combat your Priest HAS to be in base contact to attack. Any smart opponent would allocate a bucket of attacks to the Priest so even though he chops down about 2 models with his power weapon he will ultimately die because he needs to be in base to base contact to fight, putting him at risk. So the power weap is a waste of points..

The Priest is WS 5 and has 4 str 5 attacks on the charge. 15pts for a PW is well worth it. The best way for the Priest to live is to chop down all the enemy models before they can swing at him. A PW can help do that.

I know what the Priest is man I do play Blood Angels. Did you read what I put? Priest kills 2 models those models are removed from the back of the scrum, Priest still has enemy models in base contact and Priest dies. Awesome, lost a 75 point Priest and Priest has killed 2 models in the process lost feel no pain and furious charge just to use that power weapon when the Priest should be hidden in the unit and out of base contact. You want to feed your Priest to assault units so he can die? More fool you if you do..

Actually if you place the priest smartly at the end of the formation, at most they'll have two models that can attack him.

Remember, if a model is in base to base with regular troops they can ONLY attack the regular troops....they can't use the 2" supporting attacks on the character. So if you base most of his unit then throw his priest at the end of the line, he'll probably get one model to attack you.

Orks are a different matter and sometimes burying your priest is the wise move....but in most games I throw him in the combat at the end of the line.

Not really, it's any models within 2" of those in base contact so Priest kills two models just remove them from else where of the enemy unit. aLSO A I.C has to move into combat first and has to take a direct route.

Not all models within 2" can attack the priest. If they are in base contact with another enemy unit (IE the assault squad the priest is attached to), they must attack that unit. The only models that may attack the priest are;

Any model in base to base
Any mode not in base to base with any other model and within 2" of the priest

So, if you put him at the end of your assault tango like this;

AAAAAAAAAAP

Where A = Assault Marine and P = Priest...unless it's a huge Ork mob you can keep him save. It's not hard to line him up with his jump pack.

That's correct but any models not in b2b of any other models and 2" of models within b2b of the Priest can allocate attacks on the Priest. Also as I said, if the Priest kills two models in the unit those which die don't need to be the ones in base contact as you can allocate wounds wherever, so the Priest will die.

You example:

AAAAAP
OOOOOO
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O is Orks. Any Orks within 2" of those two in base contact can attack the Priest, that be about 5 Ork attacks on the Priest and if the Priest kills any in the mean time models can be removed from anywhere in the unit so still 5 models attacking the Priest. Bye bye Priest.

Right o, as I stated I agree that large groups of untouched Orks are problematic. Marines, smaller groups of Orks, etc...usually there isn't but 1 dude left to attack the Priest (If any at all after all your Ini 5 attacks go off).

It will still happen with other units, depending on size and damage of course. Even if you're against 10 Guardsmen if you don't kill enough and the opponent leaves models in contact with the Priest then the Priest stands a chance a dying.

Experience does vary but against any unit 10 or < I don't worry at all about return attacks if I have an assault unit w/ priest. Especially if the priest has a PW .

10 guardsman against 10 assault marines with a priest and the you are worried the priest will die in combat? On average 2 models survive the assault and lets say both put attacks on the priest. They will need 4's to hit, 5's to wound and the priest has a 3+ and a 4+ they have to get through. Not a chance the priest dies.

Lets look at a 10 man grey hunter squad. The priests unit will do 9 savable wounds and 3 power weapon wounds. Without the priest in combat I do 9 savable wounds and only 1 pw wound. 4 Gh strike back with a pw priest and 6 without. That's a difference of 6 extra attacks I've denied the GH because of the priest. 18 attacks vs. 12 attacks is a big deal. Go ahead and put 2 GH on the priest. You'll average 0.24 wounds through the priests armor and FnP save.

Against a 6-man Long Fang squad (a very common squad to see on the tabletop) the pw Priest can be the difference between seeing seeing counter attacks or wiping out the squad on the charge.

You need 24 marine attacks to statistically get 1 wound through to the priest to kill him. That's not easy. Sure it can be done in one attack - a grot can put 1 wound on Fateweaver to, but we don't go changing the list so Fateweaver doesn't have to face grots.

You know what all those attacks allocated to the Priest do? They keep the scoring unit he is attached to alive. In the end it's 15 little points to give the Priest the flexibility to take it to marines. No one said you have to throw him into a PK Nob on the charge, but to disregard a WS 5 STR 5 character is a waste of points IMO.

Well said and pretty much spot on with my line of thinking.

DarthDiggler wrote:10 guardsman against 10 assault marines with a priest and the you are worried the priest will die in combat? On average 2 models survive the assault and lets say both put attacks on the priest. They will need 4's to hit, 5's to wound and the priest has a 3+ and a 4+ they have to get through. Not a chance the priest dies.

Lets look at a 10 man grey hunter squad. The priests unit will do 9 savable wounds and 3 power weapon wounds. Without the priest in combat I do 9 savable wounds and only 1 pw wound. 4 Gh strike back with a pw priest and 6 without. That's a difference of 6 extra attacks I've denied the GH because of the priest. 18 attacks vs. 12 attacks is a big deal. Go ahead and put 2 GH on the priest. You'll average 0.24 wounds through the priests armor and FnP save.

Against a 6-man Long Fang squad (a very common squad to see on the tabletop) the pw Priest can be the difference between seeing seeing counter attacks or wiping out the squad on the charge.

You need 24 marine attacks to statistically get 1 wound through to the priest to kill him. That's not easy. Sure it can be done in one attack - a grot can put 1 wound on Fateweaver to, but we don't go changing the list so Fateweaver doesn't have to face grots.

You know what all those attacks allocated to the Priest do? They keep the scoring unit he is attached to alive. In the end it's 15 little points to give the Priest the flexibility to take it to marines. No one said you have to throw him into a PK Nob on the charge, but to disregard a WS 5 STR 5 character is a waste of points IMO.

DarthDiggler wrote:10 guardsman against 10 assault marines with a priest and the you are worried the priest will die in combat? On average 2 models survive the assault and lets say both put attacks on the priest. They will need 4's to hit, 5's to wound and the priest has a 3+ and a 4+ they have to get through. Not a chance the priest dies.

Lets look at a 10 man grey hunter squad. The priests unit will do 9 savable wounds and 3 power weapon wounds. Without the priest in combat I do 9 savable wounds and only 1 pw wound. 4 Gh strike back with a pw priest and 6 without. That's a difference of 6 extra attacks I've denied the GH because of the priest. 18 attacks vs. 12 attacks is a big deal. Go ahead and put 2 GH on the priest. You'll average 0.24 wounds through the priests armor and FnP save.

Against a 6-man Long Fang squad (a very common squad to see on the tabletop) the pw Priest can be the difference between seeing seeing counter attacks or wiping out the squad on the charge.

You need 24 marine attacks to statistically get 1 wound through to the priest to kill him. That's not easy. Sure it can be done in one attack - a grot can put 1 wound on Fateweaver to, but we don't go changing the list so Fateweaver doesn't have to face grots.

You know what all those attacks allocated to the Priest do? They keep the scoring unit he is attached to alive. In the end it's 15 little points to give the Priest the flexibility to take it to marines. No one said you have to throw him into a PK Nob on the charge, but to disregard a WS 5 STR 5 character is a waste of points IMO.

The Guardsmen are just a example..

Where do get these numbers from that it takes 24 attacks to kill a Priest? I think you've got something wrong there. Point is Priest can be picked out in combat and will die and you do not want the Priest in that situation. All attacks allocated no the Priest means no FnP no F.C which means Blood Angels die quicker. You don't have to throw him into anything particular, just combat. A power weapon on Priest is a waste of points as the Priest will die you put the Priest in combat you're doing the opponent a favour, no FnP means your Angels die quick no F.C means you don't hit as hard and you want to waste all that bonus just to get a few poxy power weap attacks in and then lose those benefits? Er, no thank you. With the Priest dead the scoring unit won't be alive for much longer, bravo

mercer wrote:[Where do get these numbers from that it takes 24 attacks to kill a Priest? I think you've got something wrong there.

24 attacks at WS 4 Str 4. 1/2 hit (12) 1/2 wound (6) 2/3 armor save (2) 1/2 saved from FnP (1 wound gets through, on average).

I doubt that very much, though I understand your logic.