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Lets look at a 10 man grey hunter squad. The priests unit will do 9 savable wounds and 3 power weapon wounds. Without the priest in combat I do 9 savable wounds and only 1 pw wound. 4 Gh strike back with a pw priest and 6 without. That's a difference of 6 extra attacks I've denied the GH because of the priest. 18 attacks vs. 12 attacks is a big deal. Go ahead and put 2 GH on the priest. You'll average 0.24 wounds through the priests armor and FnP save.

Maths error here it is 5 GHs left with Priest and (9 savable wounds = only 2 dead GHs, they are not vanilla marines remember) and 7 without.

Well thats on the savable now look at the PW wounds. Preist has 4 attacks = 2 hits = 1.33 wounds so not the 2 wounds you are claiming not the 6 attacks difference but more like 4 attacks.

There will be a wulfen in there and probably other stuff too. Now again normal marines it takes on average 24 attacks to cause a wound. So denying your enemy 4 extra attacks, means you'll lose 1/8 of an assault marine less woo hoo that'll swing the game. Though obviously with GHs it takes less than 24 attacks to cause a wound (about 17.6 attacks on average) still the amount of damage you are taking from not throwing in the Priest is negliable. However you're risking both FnP and FC to do it.

If the power weapon was free I'd take it and use it when I felt it would increase my chances of wipping out the enemy before they attack back without risking my SP but to pay 15 points for a weapon 90% of the time you don't want to be using is just a waste. It will make you make poor decisions as you'll want to get more benefit from that PW and even if you have the self control not to you're now just wasting 15 more points on each SP...

Mercer is right don't throw your SPs into combat unless you absolutely have to!

Thanks for the more indepth explanation .

FlingitNow wrote:

Well thats on the savable now look at the PW wounds. Preist has 4 attacks = 2 hits = 1.33 wounds so not the 2 wounds you are claiming not the 6 attacks difference but more like 4 attacks.

Mercer is right don't throw your SPs into combat unless you absolutely have to!

4 attacks at WS 5 = 2.64 hits
2.64 hits at Str 5 = 1.749 wounds....not 1.33. Rounding up, that's 2 wounds which is what he initially claimed. Not to mention most units are force multiplied with Unleash Rage Libby's or Chaps....so it gets even better.

If it were mech, I would argue against a power weapon priest as well. They could stay in the rhino/Land Raider and bubble for others...but in a JP list with the new IC/assault rules....he's going to see combat.

Regardless, this argument has been done to death...probably doesn't belong here;


http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=208025&st=0

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/301756.page

Sanguinary Priests are WS4 though.

FlingitNow wrote:Sanguinary Priests are WS4 though.

Recheck your dex

FlingitNow wrote:Sanguinary Priests are WS4 though.

WS5 dude

Yeah totally wrong on that one. Shows how often I let them get into assault . Which does make them more threatening.

But still the point remains if you can't win combat wihtout the support of the SP are you assaulting the right thing? If you are going to wipe out the enemy certainly with the SP do you really need to risk him? Basically are the benefits worth spending an extra 15 points for? Given the draw backs? Why put him unnecessarily at risk?

Still, Priest only kills 2 enemy models hardly worth the sacrifice of feel no pain and furious charge which means Blood Angel squads survival rate drops and don't hit as hard in combat, bad times :(

Always take the PW. You can't play in fear. Winners play to win. Give yourself the option for a mini-chracter with a PW and you will come out on top more often than not. A 50pt kill point is not worth FnP on it's own, especially with so many weapons denying FnP these days.

Never take the power weapon and you don't win nothing with a dead Priest with no feel no pain and furious charge. Fail.

Im with mercer on this one, the priest is already a good enough target to kill, let alone if you dump another 15 points into him for what will be him getting one round of combat before being killed. Between 3 priests, you're saving almost 2 power fists worth of points to go somewhere else. You want to force your opponent to have to pick between killing a priest, or trying to get rid of the threatening power weapons in your squad.

That is quite an expensive Sanguinary Guard. Im assuming most of this DoA onto the board? Do you ever have any problems taking care of Mech? The list looks like a version of 1 of the 2 most popular BA lists out right now....but if it works then go for it!

I played against a footslogging with mech and beat it, but that was another list, completely different from this one. This also goes for Dark Eldar, I dont have a problem with them either. My DoA is never on board, and i get about 3/4 of my army during the second turn. I try to push the envelope so that my opponent has only 3 turn.

Mephiston 250

Librarian 100

3x sanguinary priest with power weapon 195
3x sanguinary priest with power weapon 195
1x sanguinary priest with jump pack and power weapon 90

1 10 man assault squad power fist and 2 melta 235
1 10 man assault squad power fist melta and flamer 230

2x Baal predator auto cannon hb (145 each) 290

1 vindicator with siege shield 155
1 lr crusader with multi melta 260

2000 points

attach the 6 priests without jump packs and the librarian to Mephiston put that all in the land raider give the librarian shield and sword or shield and lance. Then have fun muahaha this list is ridiculous but just you wait till you see your opponents face when that charges out of the land raider

WTF? That's the shitest feedback I've even seen anyone give. Why do you need 7 Priests especially with power weapons when 3 do the same job and only 20 troops utter rubbish.

Plus i don't think you can even join IC's to Mephiston, as he is a unit of 1 i dont think IC's are allowed to join units of 1, in any case as Mercer said its just plain stupid anyway.

I agree that Mephiston can't join any units, but there isn't a rule that an IC can join him.

Dragosanii12 wrote:Plus i don't think you can even join IC's to Mephiston, as he is a unit of 1 i dont think IC's are allowed to join units of 1, in any case as Mercer said its just plain stupid anyway.

It's stupid because 3 Priests are Terminator price which are more killy in combat and don't give up 3 kill points. Also 7 Priests can do the same job as 1-3. It's just crazy.

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:I agree that Mephiston can't join any units, but there isn't a rule that an IC can join him.

You are correct. Mephiston is a unit on his own, a I.C can join him if wanted and you can have other I.Cs joining others to make a super unit. The point is multiple Priests aren't required especially with power weapons.

cowpow16 wrote:attach the 6 priests without jump packs and the librarian to Mephiston put that all in the land raider give the librarian shield and sword or shield and lance. Then have fun muahaha this list is ridiculous but just you wait till you see your opponents face when that charges out of the land raider

Their face? You mean looking at you like a complete idiot? 6 Priests to FNP each other or are you trying to make Mephiston eternal? Either way that is a terrible waist of 195 pts....x2!

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:I agree that Mephiston can't join any units, but there isn't a rule that an IC can join him.

Page 48- "Independent characters are allowed to join other units. They cannot, however join vehicle squadrons and units that always consist of a single model(Like most vehicles and monstrous creatures) They can join other independent characters though, to form a powerful multi-character unit!"

Haha this is a terrible list I agree and Mephiston cant attach to anything but the priests can attach to him this is utterly pointless but funny has hell if you are trying to do something silly and yes its a waste of points but when seen on the table it does get laughs for how ridiculous it is.

@xdefton3sx

I run two standard furioso's with blood talons. Land Melta or just pop smoke, the 13 front armour helps a lot and your opponent has to deal with them, they are two dangerous to sit unattended in a backfield. Just consider an extra pod with one of the assualt squads so you can pick and choose who comes in when.

Pretty heated discussion here over army lists...

I can't wait to see what he does with the remaining 1,998,000 points!

mercer wrote:
Those two HQs are costing 500 points between them a 1/4 of your army list. You're not using Dante to his full abilities so you're basically paying 225 just to deep strike a unit of target and Sanguinor doesn't do a fat lot, just makes a Sgt a Captain.

I find the Sanguinor to be one off the best characters to irritate the hell out of people. He's not ridiculously awesome, but he will be a headache for a lot of people if you get him into assaults.

But yes, I don't think it's a good idea to take both Dante & the Sanguinor.

The rest of the list is

o.O

if you are asking for opinion on the list id say lose sanguinor. ive used dante and sanguinor and dante is better for the cost. but if you like this list and the way it plays id say more power to you. people are usually so busy "power gaming" sometimes they fail to make a creative list.