EPIC Warhammer 40,000: Total War

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**Cobourn**

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**Lord Castellan**

What would this hypothetical game be like? Total War, but on a galactic scale?

**Vandil**

Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate

**Dark Scipio**

I always wanted to do a Civ X 40k mod. A great mighty Emprie with war at all edges.

Or Star Wars: Rebellion only wiht 40k.

**Cobourn**

Hi Lord Castellan - yes I was thinking along those lines.

In order for a galactic display to work, I think a gaming platform similar to what was used for Star Wars Supremacy/Civilization should be considered.

There would not be hundreds of thousands of planets, but there would be enough to ensure that the gamer(s) of all varing levels/competencies are kept challenged. The planets available/drafted in, would be those scripted in the 40K universe storyline.

Mix that up with a 'Total war' game engine - we would all be able to see and experience those epic battles that many gamers are still waiting for.

Playable factions would be Orcs, Eldar and the Imperial Guard*

Non-playable factions would be Chaos, Necrons and theTAU.

*Space Marines included as a fighting force with Imperial Guard

Do you think it would be workable?

**Mr Hyena**

Totally depends on what races are in the start. I mean; I want to see less popular races into the Computer Games so we can see more players playing these factions. For all the hate people gave Soulstorm; it was one of the reasons why Dark Eldar got more players.

I'd like a turn based game with: Space Marines, Witchhunters, Chaos Renegades and Eldar. Orks and IG in the first expansion. Tau and Necrons in the next.

**Lycaeus Wrex**

Vandil wrote:Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate

This. A remember playing this when I was about 9 year4s old without the manual and getting totally and utterly confused/frustrated lol.

L. Wrex

**Cobourn**

Thats not a bad idea Mr Hyena. The project I had in mind would be quite dark, gritty and give the gameplayer that suspense/edge like Doom3 did for some of us.

Dark Scipio I am a Civ fan myself -and a 40K version would be great. Regrettably I dont think we will see it though.

I hear what you say Vandil and I will check out Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate. My fear is though that the game you mentioned along with Warhammer Retribution and Warhammer 40,000: Rites of War....well none of these deliver the epic 'total war' battles that I would expect for 40K. Generally, I havent seen the battles I want to see - forget squad level capacity gaming- we see it a hundred times over in other games. Perhaps we are all to keen to adopt gameplay at this level and not rise above the challenge of Red Alert and that calibre. Perhaps we wont see the type of gaming I speak of for a while. Maybe I should just sit back, accept this fact and and rely on TV/Movies who use that 'massive software' to generate alll the 'big' battles for me.

**Vandil**

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:
Vandil wrote:Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate

This. A remember playing this when I was about 9 year4s old without the manual and getting totally and utterly confused/frustrated lol.

L. Wrex

As far as I could tell it was based off this games engine. Soldiers at War
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/soldiersatwar/index.html

I still have the disc somewhere, classic turn based war gaming, had a very Xcom micro management feel to it wish they'd do another but SSI is long long dead.

**Hargus56**

I would love to see the Total War Team at Sega do a Warhammer Fantasy Game. In fact when explaining Warhammer to friends and people, I will say 40k is like Dawn of War/Starcraft where Fantasy is like the battles in the Total War games.

**Dashofpepper**

I remember Star Wars: Galaxy at War (I think)

Where the overall game was a tactical overlay of the galaxy where you fought, and then you could take it down to the planet level for fleet combat in orbit, or down to the ground for ground combat. IE, fight through an enemy fleet, land on the planet to defeat the ground forces - complete invasion kind of thing.

Was hell of a lot of fun. 40k should be like that in a video game.

**purplefood**

Dashofpepper wrote:I remember Star Wars: Galaxy at War (I think)

Where the overall game was a tactical overlay of the galaxy where you fought, and then you could take it down to the planet level for fleet combat in orbit, or down to the ground for ground combat. IE, fight through an enemy fleet, land on the planet to defeat the ground forces - complete invasion kind of thing.

Was hell of a lot of fun. 40k should be like that in a video game.

Empire at War.
I agree with this.
Though i would prefer the fleet based combat to be more like Sins of a Solar Empire and the ground combat to be like Dawn of War 2.
If it had to be turn based...
A modification of Empire at War would be perfect.

**BuFFo**

Final Liberation.

Best turn based 40k game ever.

**Brother SRM**

I'd be so pumped if Final Liberation got translated to something like the Total War engine.

**Chaos Lord Gir**

Hell if they did Final Liberation into Total War engine, none of my friends would see me for a solid week as I'd just lock myself in my room for one HELL of a gaming marathon!

**Cobourn**

Do you think it would be possible to introduce titans/gargants in a Total War gaming engine?

**Phanatik**

Include DE as a playable race.

**Cobourn**

Yeah I thought about them too - I have alot of 40K material at my disposal but hit some obstacles.

One of the major problems is finding out what actual facilities you can build for each race.

**oktoberguard**

Man, I loved Chaos Gate, as buggy as it was... if they put out something similar, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

**ZacktheChaosChild**

What about Star Wars Battlefront 2 with a 40k skin?

**metallifan**

I would give both my jewels for a Chaos Gate 2.0... God that game was such a time-sink. *nostalgia sigh*

Altough I doubt THQ would ever get more than one 40K strategy game going, what with Space Marine (hopefully) almost done and the estimated price tag on production of DMO being about $50 million.

**Cobourn**

A Warhammer 40K 'Battlefront skin' would be pretty cool I must admit.

Only, I am designing a 40K Total War strategy (turn-based) game but allowing for real-time 3d battles in campaign and custom battle mode.

**metallifan**

So you're designing a mod for the "Total War" series?

Count my vote for that

As for your problem with buildings/facilities, just borrow the building lists from DoW + Expansions, and get creative with the remainder.

**Cobourn**

yep thats the plan. I struggled to find the building lists from DoW, but here are some buildings that may be used to spore units etc (see what you think):

Watch Fortress/Bastion with void docks-
Watch Stations
Moon Base/Defence Grid
Warp Gate
Flak Artillery
Heavy Port/Las gun emplacements
Plasma Turrets
Tarantula Missile Battery
Sonic Cannons
No-Mans Land
Basic Earthworks
Great Stone Wall
Mutiple Barrier Walls with Forts
MainTowered City-Gate
Mammoth Blast Door Entrance

Orbital facility Or Monastery
Fortified Courthouse
Planetary Garrison
Militia HQ
Underground Planetfall Bunkers
Armoury
Barracks/Proving Ground
Stables
Bore/Termite mines
Automated Mining foundries
Automated Refineries
Construction Yard facilities
Advanced Construction Foundries
Mag-train Line
Energy-Generator foundries
Food 'Farm-Belt' factories
Herd Farm
Recycling/Liquidation foundries
Large Colony/Settlement/city
Provinicial Capital
Mega City / Hive City
Research Station
Space Port
Shipyard
Traders Market-Square
Local Tavern
Off-Worlders Tavern
Prison/penal colony
Correction Facility
Dungeon
Execution square
Slag Heaps/discarded scrap - Slums
Fighting Pit
Amphitheatre
Circus Maximus (Racing)
Nomad 'Native' Market
Medic/Physician Chapter house
Hideout/safehouse
Temple
Ecclesiarchy Chapel / Cathederal
Imperial Shrine
Refugee camp
Gunslinger / Pusher
Racketeer Holding
Rogue Trader/Smugglers Guild
Thieves guild
Explorers guild
Murderers guild
Noble House
Palace

I am working too, on retinue and traits for 'faction leaders'....its being planned like above:

Dreadnought
Scout
Tech_Marine
Force_Commander
Apothecary
Devastator Marine
Assault Marine
Tactical Marine
Battle Brother
Banner Bearer
Comissioner
Iterator
Drill Master
The_Crux_Terminatus
diplomatic_escort
Psyker
Rogue Trader
Servitor
Vetran_Captain
Chaplin
Deathwatch_Training
Black_Templar
Raw_recruit_Neophyte
Emperors_Tarot
Astropath_Navigator
Adeptus_Mechanicus_Tech_priest
Battle_Psyker_Libarian_lexicamium
Battle_Psyker_Libarian_Codicier
Battle_Psyker_Libarian_Epistolary
Adepta_Sororitas_Battle_Sister
Daemon Slayer_Grey_Knight
Death_Worlder
Centurio_Ordinatus
Alien/Xenos_Artifact

**Jaon**

I always hoped for turn based super high graphics same probability 40k video game where you make your army list and then the game (I lost it) makes sure you do everything in order and you wouldnt have to remember special rules coz they would just be buttons on units and stuff like that. Pretty much a video game that plays EXACTLY like tabletop.

GW will NEVER allow ANYONE to make a game like that.

**Cobourn**

Sounds like the WWII Close Combat game saga.
Pity you lost your notes - might have done with your help.

while I am not an authority on what GW's strategy is, or how they regulate ideas etc - I am still going to get past the development stage.

**General Seric**

I like the idea of a Sins of a Solar Empire type fleet combat, and Total War style ground combat. and by the way, he lost the Game, not notes : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game)

**bosky**

Seconding (or thirding or fourthing) Chaos Gate, what a blast that was.

So 90s it hurt. But before Dawn of War it was likely the most successful GW computer adaptation (then again the competition was fantasy's Shadow of the Horned Rat *yuck*).

**Obsidian**

I would love to see a 40k Total war game. I belive its been done for Warhammer Fantasy, Lord Of The Rings, Starwars and WWI.
Mix this up and you have the basics of a 40k game (sans Titans that'll be tricky as well as air combat).

**Cobourn**

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