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'Oy der! I've been having a lot of fun with my Kan Wall slogging forward and smashing 'umies. I'm starting to develop a thirst for fuel however, so I have decided to give a real go at trying to make a competitive Evil Sunz themed list in the 1500 point bracket. Constructive criticism is appreciated. I would also love to hear opinions on how an army of this style would do in general as a competitive, or at the very least a semi-competitive option at this point range specifically. Anyway, on to 'da list!

Evil Sunz - 1500


HQ - 220

Big Mek w/ KFF, PK - 110

Big Mek w/ KFF, PK - 110


Troops - 504

11x Shoota Boyz; Nob w/ PK, BP riding in Trukk w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 166

11x Shoota Boyz; Nob w/ PK, BP riding in Trukk w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 166

12x Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ PK, BP riding in Trukk w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 172


Elites - 566

Biker Nob w/ Cybork Body, Waaagh! Banner - 65
Biker Nob w/ Cybork Body, BP - 55
Biker Nob w/ Cybork Body, PK - 75
Biker Nob w/ Cybork Body, Ammo Runt, PK, Rokkit Kombi - 83
Biker Nob w/ Cybork Body, Big Choppa, Kombi Scorcha - 60
Biker Nob w/ Cybork Body, Ammo Runt, Big Choppa, Rokkit Kombi - 63
Biker Nob w/ Cybork Body, PK, Rokkit Kombi - 80
Painboy Biker w/ Cybork Body, Grot Orderly - 85


Fast Attack - 210

Deffkopta - TL Rokkit, Buzzsaw - 70
Deffkopta - TL Rokkit, Buzzsaw - 70
Deffkopta - TL Rokkit, Buzzsaw - 70


The two meks would ride in the Trukks with Shootas and they'd surround the slugga trukk for some 4+ cover goodness all around. I would like to hear what lists you think this army would do poorly against. What lists do you think it would do well against?

Main concern I have with the list is the effectiveness or necessity of the nob bikers. 566 points can likely be allocated better, but methinks a jetbike crowd of some nasty orks is something most armies would need to deal with first while the trukks get a position to assault. Warbuggies + perhaps a unit of Kommandos with Snikrot? Though that might not fit with the scheme, it still somewhat lessens my opponent's playing field, making it easier for me to get to them.

Thanks again in advance Dakka!

Don't know about your metagame but in mine all the missile spam would destroy those bikers really quick.

If you absolutely want bikers, I would cut em down to half or less, and upgrade the trukks to battlewagons with more boys, or ard case if you have no more. However cheap trukks do make a fine meganob missile delivery system. Hide behind battlewagon till your turn, zoom out 24 or 25 depending on paint, then next round you have a 3 man meganob squad clobber something.

Evil Sunz - 1500


HQ - 228

Big Mek w/ KFF, PK - 110 - (Rides in the 11 boy Trukk)

Warboss w/ Cybork, Ammo Runt, Attack Squig, PK, Rokkit Kombi - 118 - (Rides with the Battlewagon Nobz)


Troops - 984

20x Shoota Boyz, 2x Big Shoota; Nob w/ PK, BP (riding in Battlewagon below) - 170

11x Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ PK, BP riding in Trukk w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 176

12x Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ PK, BP riding in Trukk w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 182

Nob w/ Cybork Body, Ammo Runt, Big Choppa, Rokkit Kombi - 38
Nob w/ Cybork Body, Big Choppa, Scorcha Kombi - 35
Nob w/ Cybork Body, PK, BP - 55
Nob w/ Cybork Body, Ammo Runt, PK, Rokkit Kombi - 58
Nob w/ Cybork Body, PK, Waaagh Banner - 65
Painboy w/ Cybork Body, Grot Orderly - 60
Riding in Dedicated Battlewagon w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, Grabbin' Klaw, Deff Rolla - 456 total


Fast Attack - 140

Deffkopta - TL Rokkit, Buzzsaw - 70
Deffkopta - TL Rokkit, Buzzsaw - 70

Heavy Support - 145

Battlewagon w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, Grabbin' Klaw, Deff Rolla - 145

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1497 Total



Here's a version with a Warboss instead of a second Big Mek + some Battlewagons. I can always replace the warboss with the original 2nd big mek as well making my nobz elites again. Though more troops seems much more dangerous for opponents.

I don't know the full effectiveness of nobz on warbikes yet, but i know the battlewagon nobz are a safe bet. How does this version look?

I think that the KFF definitely belongs safely in a battlewagon. You don't *have* to have 20 boyz in a battlewagon. 18 or 19 (room for accidents with the warboss and KFF Meks) ride is just fine.

Ah roger that, thanks for your input. That was something I considered as well. My question is, should the Big Mek ride with the Nobz BW or the Boyz BW? Where should the Warboss go, with the nobz? So basically these are my scenarios:

Big Mek goes with the 18-19 boyz in one Battlewagon while the Warboss goes with the Nobz
Big Mek goes with the 18-19 boyz in one Battlewagon while the Warboss goes in the 11 boy Trukk
Big Mek goes with the nobz Battlewagon while Warboss goes with the 18-19 boyz Battlewagon

The first option seems to be the best to me at first glance.

Moving these HQ's around (and discovering that for some reason I had put rokkits on my Trukks but did not write that part out - the points were included though), that opens up 21 points for me after I fill out the 11 boy trukk with one more boy. I've thought about maybe just putting a Cybork on the Mek to make him a bit more survivable if needed, but that seems like it could be spent better. Do feel free to enlighten me with how I could spend those last 21 points. The latest list:


Evil Sunz - 1500


HQ - 228

Big Mek w/ KFF, PK - 110 - (Rides in the Boyz Wagon?)

Warboss w/ Cybork, Ammo Runt, Attack Squig, PK, Rokkit Kombi - 118 - (Rides in the Nob Wagon?)


Troops - 966

18x Shoota Boyz, 1x Big Shoota; Nob w/ PK, BP (riding in Battlewagon below) - 153

12x Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ PK, BP riding in Trukk w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 182

12x Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ PK, BP riding in Trukk w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 182

Nob w/ Cybork Body, Ammo Runt, Big Choppa, Rokkit Kombi - 38
Nob w/ Cybork Body, Big Choppa, Scorcha Kombi - 35
Nob w/ Cybork Body, PK, BP - 55
Nob w/ Cybork Body, Ammo Runt, PK, Rokkit Kombi - 58
Nob w/ Cybork Body, PK, Waaagh Banner - 65
Painboy w/ Cybork Body, Grot Orderly - 60
Riding in Dedicated Battlewagon w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, Grabbin' Klaw, Deff Rolla - 456 total


Fast Attack - 140

Deffkopta - TL Rokkit, Buzzsaw - 70
Deffkopta - TL Rokkit, Buzzsaw - 70

Heavy Support - 145

Battlewagon w/ Armor Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, Grabbin' Klaw, Deff Rolla - 145

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1479 Total


Giving the Mek Cybork would leave 11 points, which I can use to put a rokkit launcha on each of the trukks at 5 points each. Would that even be worth it?

Thanks for those who have contributed thus far! I'm actually starting to put this list together as I slowly gather the models. More input is always appreciated.

My but you have a load of vehicle upgrades.

pzbw7z wrote:My but you have a load of vehicle upgrades.

That's true, but I think all of those upgrades are pretty necessary, except maybe the grot riggers in the vehicle that will eventually carry the Mek I suppose.

i was gona say the same about the up grades but at only 5pts each its not like its taking from something else. the rockets on the trucks is a waste if you've got anywhere else to put it

So I've had a chance to playtest a fair amount and I have to say, this list has done quite well for me. Here is my latest iteration, after a lot of tidying up. It's a pretty tight list, sits exactly at 1500 points. I would love to hear thoughts, suggestions or criticisms of the list.


HQ

Big Mek w/ KFF, PK, Cybork, Attack Squig (Riding with Shootas) - 135

Warboss w/ 'Eavy Armour, Ammo Runt, PK, Attack Squig, Cybork, Rokkit Kombi (Riding with Nobz) - 123



Troops

(564 total points for Nobz including Wagon)
Dedicated Nobz Battle Wagon w/ Armour Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Deff Rolla, Grabbin' Klaw, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job
Nob w/ Ammo Runt, Choppa, Cybork Body, Slugga
Nob w/ Ammo Runt, Big Choppa, Cybork Body, Shoota/Rokkit Kombi
Nob w/ Big Choppa, Cybork Body, Shoota/Rokkit Kombi
Nob w/ Big Choppa, Cybork Body, Slugga
Nob w/ Ammo Runt, Cybork Body, Power Klaw, Shoota/Rokkit Kombi
Nob w/ Cybork Body, Power Klaw, Shoota/Rokkit Kombi
Nob w/ Cybork Body, Power Klaw, Slugga
Nob w/ Choppa, Cybork Body, Slugga, Waagh Banner
Nob w/ Bosspole, Choppa, Cybork Body, Slugga
Painboy

12x Slugga Boyz, Nob w/ PK, Trukk Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, reinforced ram - 167

12x Slugga Boyz, Nob w/ PK, Trukk Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, reinforced ram - 167

19x Shoota Boyz, Big shoota, Nob w/ BP, PK (Riding in Heavy Support Battlewagon) - 159

10x Gretchin w/ Runtherd - 40

Heavy Support

Battle Wagon w/ Armour Plates, Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Deff Rolla, Grabbin' Klaw, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job - 145


Thanks in advance Dakka! Your constructive criticism is always appreciated.