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Just wondering if anyone else is getting a bit of this? Every time I look at anything associated with 40k, it seems to be blood angels right now. All the mags, new codex, new battleforce, new exclusive blood angels vehicles and units. It used to be all about Ultramarines, but now Blood Angels are the favored son and while they're cool and all...jeez it's getting to be a bit much for me.

I'm wondering, are they like massively overpowered on the gaming table? I've talked to a few people at my local clubs and if they haven't got a blood angels army already, several are in the process of acquiring one.

Would you decline a game against a blood angels player because they're too powerful (or nauseating)?

Cave_Dweller wrote:Would you decline a game against a blood angels player because they're nauseating?

Yes, I do deny games against Blood Angels because they are nauseating. I feel like I am playing a child's game when my opponent reads off his weapons and abilities, and that actually takes me out of the game.

I play blood angels.

The release is still fairly new, and the army is fairly strong, with options not quite as 'cheesy' or 'overpowered' as Space Wolves. The battleforce recently came out, along with the stormraven and plastic furioso kits. So the codex is still fresh on people's minds.

Massively overpowered? Nowhere near as bad as SW. Against everything else? I dunno, I've only really played against orks, nids, and SW consistently. Nids and SW can tear me a new one.

I wouldn't decline a game against BA. They're a fun army to play and a fun army to play against IMO. All of the 'cheesy' special characters have their weaknesses. It's not like going up against a Njal deathstar, or similar unit that can make the entire game un-fun.

just wait, grey knights are going to be the same way ifnot worse.

I generally won't decline games because of the army (though I do avoid some players). But the BA codex annoys me on a very basic level - I don't like Dreadnoughts with magical fairy wings, I don't like pushing revered Land Raiders out of an airplane, and I don't like the mechanics behind Blood Talons.

I think there is a marine overload period. That being said, they really are the best way to get into the hobby, without getting your hands dirty per say. Get an army that you can make some mistakes with and still dish out some damage, maybe even win. Good all around for begginers. I havn't played 40K before much, just collected and painted it, but im looking to get into it. BA looked real tempting, their model range is awesome. Once I found out that so many people play them, I decided that I'd rather not. Not because I wanna be original, but mainly cause I can imagine it gets boring for people playing the same forces over and over again.

But BA are definitely popular. So far to the point of being a bad thing? Not really. Once new GK, Crons and updated Tau come out in the next couple years, everyone will be on their band wagon too, and we will all be having the same conversation about them being over powered and overplayed as well. Just hang in there, things change.

BuFFo wrote:I feel like I am playing a child's game when my opponent reads off his weapons and abilities, and that actually takes me out of the game.

Grey Knights make the BA weapon names look positively inspired.

Blood Strike Missile?
vs
Nemesis Doom Fist?

Since Grey Knights will be undoubtedly cheesy since the codex is being written by Matt Ward, I think they're more deserving of a codex than Blood Angels since they are much more divided from codex marines.

Scott-S6 wrote:

BuFFo wrote:I feel like I am playing a child's game when my opponent reads off his weapons and abilities, and that actually takes me out of the game.

Grey Knights make the BA weapon names look positively inspired.

Blood Strike Missile?
vs
Nemesis Doom Fist?

GK codex doesn't even compare.

Everything has Blood in it. I mean EVERYTHING. Even the Sanquinator just means The Blood/whatever-er.

Blood fist. Is it a special weapon? Nope. It is just a DCCW. They have Blood talons for special rules, but not when firing their blood missiles, unless they are kited out for Blood Lances.

You know blood angels bleed blood blood, right?

I certainly wouldn't decline a game against BA's on a power basis. For the most part they are ok, however the Baal Predator being Fast Attack (allowing an army renknowned for jump infantry and close assaults to make tank armies that rival the Imperial Guard), the FNP Bubbles, Blood Talons, and a couple other things (mephiston) can certainly be abused far more than they should have been able to, and coupled with god-awful naming scheme and terrible fluff doesn't exactly put them high on my list of favored opponents.

That said, my opinion of most loyalist SM armies is about the same. None of them seem particularly interesting or fun anymore, their fluff has gotten to be just terrible on so many levels, and they all seem to *need* to be able to outdo each other to claim that they *really* do need a separate book (despite outright sharing 80% of the same exact same units in the case of BA & C:SM) and there's very definitely overload, but it's with regards to Space Marines as a whole. There just isn't a need for that many different marine armies. If the Traitor Legions of twisted realm of Chaos and the most varied fighting force in the Galaxy in the form of the Imperial Guard can each make do with one book, then so can the tiny Chapters of the Space Marines (half of whom have their own book also claim to primarily be codex adherent chapters as well).

I don't typically enjoy having to play against loyalist marine armies. They just aren't fun to play against in general at this point as a result of the oversaturation, increasingly bad fluff, one-upmanship of the books, and ubiquitousness.

Though that said, SW's are still definitely the top of the "broken" pile for SM's. We will see about GK's, but SW's with their hideously undercosted Grey Hunters & Long Fangs, along with wound allocation gaming TWC's and the crutch of Counterattack make them an army that just has too many answers to too many problems on too many models with too low a cost. They can shoot as well as other marines and fight better and often with more dudes or wargear.

I'm very new and was playing a small point game with my necrons when some dreadnought with its weapons killed my entire squad of 20 warriors in one turn because it rerolls like all wounds it does as a new hit or something.

Scott-S6 wrote:

BuFFo wrote:I feel like I am playing a child's game when my opponent reads off his weapons and abilities, and that actually takes me out of the game.

Grey Knights make the BA weapon names look positively inspired.

Blood Strike Missile?
vs
Nemesis Doom Fist?

Space Wolves still win though. And TBH, the GK codex doesn't have the same adjective everywhere like SW and BA does...

I like Blood Angels, I do not play them, but I actually enjoy playing against them. I don't find them overpowered, they can do little to my current DE list. Especially DoA. SW though.. I dislike them, every player I have come up against has made the "Ultra-Cheese" list, now is it possible not to play them like that? Yes. But noone that I've seen ever does.

However, I wouldn't really decline a game from them.

Initially i decided to play Blood Angels, then i heard all the negativity about them and decided to go Salamanders. Kinda regret the decision now since those assault marines and the storm raven looks so cool

Plasma guns and battle cannons still kill em just fine, so I honestly don't care.

Well, certain lists can be overpowered in the BA codex (like any other new codex) and some things may seem OP but none will ever use it anyway.
Examples of this is the Razorspam, sure it might looks kinda cool on the table but to me it seems like such a boring and un-fluffy way to play BA. And then there's always the "OP" Mephiston, yeah his statline is crazy but he goes down sooo fast due to not having any inv. save. And ofc we have the DS'ing LR that people always mention but honestly, how often have you EVER seen this been used? I know I never have...

All in all, I just look forward to the release of GK so it'll take some heat off the BA and SW codex. Then GK will be the new kid on the block until the next release and so on.

Stvafel wrote: And ofc we have the DS'ing LR that people always mention but honestly, how often have you EVER seen this been used? I know I never have...

Agree. I've heard this used as an example of BA being OP so many times, and it's completely baseless. DS'ing raiders is a gimmick and I'd be amazed if it ever got used competitively.

There are other things they can do, but let's be honest here... DoA is basically just a drop pod list; slightly lower points cost, fewer kp, and you get jump infantry while losing the protection of the drop pod and the first turn auto-landings. The Mephiston hate is silly too. He's a great CC character, but he's almost completely worthless everywhere else, has no invuln save to protect him, and has no immunity to ID. He's a great unit but he's priced well for what he does.

The one valid complaint I've seen about BA is their naming scheme. Blood everything is really annoying. And when it's not 'blood' it's blood in another language.

BuFFo wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

BuFFo wrote:I feel like I am playing a child's game when my opponent reads off his weapons and abilities, and that actually takes me out of the game.

Grey Knights make the BA weapon names look positively inspired.

Blood Strike Missile?
vs
Nemesis Doom Fist?

GK codex doesn't even compare.

Everything has Blood in it. I mean EVERYTHING. Even the Sanquinator just means The Blood/whatever-er.

Blood fist. Is it a special weapon? Nope. It is just a DCCW. They have Blood talons for special rules, but not when firing their blood missiles, unless they are kited out for Blood Lances.

You know blood angels bleed blood blood, right?

Don't forget Angelus bolters with their Bloodshard bolts!

Virtually every BA list I see looks like this:

Librarian or two with SoS

4-5 units of 5 man assault squads without jump packs in las/plas razorbacks

3 units of Autocannon/Lascannon Sponson Predators

2-3 Baal Predators, usually with assault cannons, sometimes with flamestorm templates.


Some include death company in a rhino, some don't. But that's what I see everywhere. That *is* nauseating - because it *is* unfluffy...and worse - stuff like the tournament I was at yesterday, I was the only Xenos player. More than half the players there were Blood Angels. All but one running almost identical lists.

Yeah that's weak.. over half being blood angels? How lame.

Dashofpepper wrote:Virtually every BA list I see looks like this:

Librarian or two with SoS

4-5 units of 5 man assault squads without jump packs in las/plas razorbacks

3 units of Autocannon/Lascannon Sponson Predators

2-3 Baal Predators, usually with assault cannons, sometimes with flamestorm templates.


Some include death company in a rhino, some don't. But that's what I see everywhere. That *is* nauseating - because it *is* unfluffy...and worse - stuff like the tournament I was at yesterday, I was the only Xenos player. More than half the players there were Blood Angels. All but one running almost identical lists.

Hypothetically, if I were to have shown up with my tac squad BA army, would you still have been so nauseated?

BuFFo wrote:

Cave_Dweller wrote:Would you decline a game against a blood angels player because they're nauseating?

Yes, I do deny games against Blood Angels because they are nauseating. I feel like I am playing a child's game when my opponent reads off his weapons and abilities, and that actually takes me out of the game.

Is there an army I can play that you won't hate me for?

Stop trying to belittle other people's hobby, it's downright annoying. I like what I like, you like what you like. Why do you need to be so condescending?


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Dashofpepper wrote:Virtually every BA list I see looks like this:

Librarian or two with SoS

4-5 units of 5 man assault squads without jump packs in las/plas razorbacks

3 units of Autocannon/Lascannon Sponson Predators

2-3 Baal Predators, usually with assault cannons, sometimes with flamestorm templates.


Some include death company in a rhino, some don't. But that's what I see everywhere. That *is* nauseating - because it *is* unfluffy...and worse - stuff like the tournament I was at yesterday, I was the only Xenos player. More than half the players there were Blood Angels. All but one running almost identical lists.

Every Dark Eldar list I see has:

Haemonculus
Wyches in Raiders
3 Dark Lance Ravagers
Trueborne in Venoms with Blasters, 2 Splinter Cannons
And all of them have Flickerfields

...I can play this game too

***I don't play Blood Angels***

Dashofpepper wrote:Virtually every BA list I see looks like this:

Librarian or two with SoS

4-5 units of 5 man assault squads without jump packs in las/plas razorbacks

3 units of Autocannon/Lascannon Sponson Predators

2-3 Baal Predators, usually with assault cannons, sometimes with flamestorm templates.


Some include death company in a rhino, some don't. But that's what I see everywhere. That *is* nauseating - because it *is* unfluffy...and worse - stuff like the tournament I was at yesterday, I was the only Xenos player. More than half the players there were Blood Angels. All but one running almost identical lists.

I think making Baal preds Fast Attack units is one of the things I hate Mat Ward most for. There's no reason that tank should have gotten Scout or put anywhere but Heavy Support.

Stop trying to belittle other people's hobby, it's downright annoying. I like what I like, you like what you like. Why do you need to be so condescending?

Stop taking it as a direct attack on you, instead of on how the army has been presented in its current form. He's not expressing an uncommon viewpoint with regards to how many feel about how BA's have turned out.

In any game where the object is to crunch a list with point limitations you'll have munchkinitis. I mean, how often are there threads where the OP asks for opinions on a killer list while doing no sampling themselves.

It's no small wonder so many folks end up with the same lists. Once word gets out about a killer list that someone used at a tourney every munchkin in the 40k universe will show up with it at your local game shop thinking they can auto-pilot to victory.

Most try this and simply end up crying in their paint pots later.

Griever wrote:

Every Dark Eldar list I see has:

Haemonculus
Wyches in Raiders
3 Dark Lance Ravagers
Trueborne in Venoms with Blasters, 2 Splinter Cannons
And all of them have Flickerfields

...I can play this game too

Except that *isn't* every DE list that you see. I've never seen anyone run that list, including myself - even though you pulled that from my signature. DE lists vary wildly. Unfortunately wildly. This isn't a game; the description of BA that I gave is for one army build that is unfluffy, and copied by virtually every BA player I see. I'm starting to get disenchanted with tournaments because I never see anything NEW or innovative or ......I'm saving this rant for elsewhere.

I always feel bad for people who run the cookie cutter BA list. I didn't know about BA until the new codex release, but I run mostly tac BA in razorbacks with vindicators and sternguard. Not really fluffy, but some of my favorite units in the codex.

Everyone say they hate BA players, which makes my Reclusiarch cry inside.

I agree with you feeling bad, Happygrunt. To Razorspam BA: Does playing that list really make you feel happy?

I know that if I played BA I would go pure DoA, because it's just so bad.

Vaktathi wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Virtually every BA list I see looks like this:

Librarian or two with SoS

4-5 units of 5 man assault squads without jump packs in las/plas razorbacks

3 units of Autocannon/Lascannon Sponson Predators

2-3 Baal Predators, usually with assault cannons, sometimes with flamestorm templates.


Some include death company in a rhino, some don't. But that's what I see everywhere. That *is* nauseating - because it *is* unfluffy...and worse - stuff like the tournament I was at yesterday, I was the only Xenos player. More than half the players there were Blood Angels. All but one running almost identical lists.

I think making Baal preds Fast Attack units is one of the things I hate Mat Ward most for. There's no reason that tank should have gotten Scout or put anywhere but Heavy Support.

Stop trying to belittle other people's hobby, it's downright annoying. I like what I like, you like what you like. Why do you need to be so condescending?

Stop taking it as a direct attack on you, instead of on how the army has been presented in its current form. He's not expressing an uncommon viewpoint with regards to how many feel about how BA's have turned out.

To outright refuse to play somebody because of their army, even though it's perfectly legal, WYSIWYG, and even painted red (don't get me into that...) just because you don't like the list is downright childish. BuFFo is (and continually does) talk down to/about people who don't play armies he likes and it's incredibly rude and unnecessary.

I didn't take it as a personal attack, I don't even play Blood Angels.

And Dash, I can anecdotally debate this all day with you, I've been to several tournaments where there were plenty of BA players using jump infantry only lists, or completely non-shooty mechanized assault lists. The only regular Blood Angels players at my FLGS (there are 2) only have Drop Pods and Dreads for their vehicles.

Perhaps it's just because we're all poor college students and can't afford to spend $600 every three months on the best build in the newest codex lmao.

If you guys think this is bad, what until Grey Knights come out. They're even cheaper to field an army, can be count-as just as easily, and are just downright ridiculous. Their ability to ID everything is just straight up broken.