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Thought I'd Just start up a little discussion here don't know if its been done, if so close this.

Which (in your opinion) is/are the strongest race(s)?

I'd say IMO Necrons have to be one of the strongest because hey they cant die or be nomed up, And lets go with to start up trouble the tau as they are advancing fast into technology ;p

Tell me your thoughts

xVoid

Clearly it's the Gretchin. Strength 2 kills more Terminators than melta blasts.

Necrons are a strong contender, fluff-wide, but their tombworlds are mostly asleep, and can be destroyed with the Necrons still napping. (fluff has this happen several times)

I'd argue orks. They span the galaxy, don't require advanced tech to survive, spore when killed and get badder the more you fight them. Get them united and they'd really stomp, but it'll never happen.

Plus, whatever the problem there's an orky duct-tape and chewing gum mcguiver solution

A necron army is strong to a point, but the phase out and the fact the only counter assault units are flayed ones and a 360 point model right now is why they are bottom tier until the next codex. Grey Knights will be a strong contender as the strongest race as the fluff is they fight daemons anywhere in anything, and people are talking about their training initiates fighting daemons in the warp? Havent wasted time reading the codex at all so not sure on accuracy.

My favorite army fluff wise is definitely Tyranids because of Starship troopers. They dont just eat you, they eat your world!!!!!

Can you define "strongest"? Are you talking fluff wise, or on the table? If you mean on the table, do you mean most offensive, most survivable, most competitive, or most flexible? All of which could have different answers, and could all mean "strongest".

PraetorDave wrote:Can you define "strongest"? Are you talking fluff wise, or on the table? If you mean on the table, do you mean most offensive, most survivable, most competitive, or most flexible? All of which could have different answers, and could all mean "strongest".

+1, definitely need clarification, sorry

Fluff: Tyranids strike me as the greatest threat to any race based on worlds (the eldar should be fine.)

TT: the strongest codex atm IMO is BA, though it's close between them and wolves.

'Fluff: Tyranids strike me as the greatest threat to any race based on worlds (the eldar should be fine.) '

Tell that to Iyanden

Chaos. The ultimate antagonist.

Ascalam wrote:'Fluff: Tyranids strike me as the greatest threat to any race based on worlds (the eldar should be fine.) '

Tell that to Iyanden

I think Iyanden and Malan'tai serve as lessons to move your craftworld out of the way of the shadow in the warp. Hopefully they can handle that now. Even if they can't I don't think the nids will find all the craftworlds when they can actively evade the swarm.

Dark eldar are definitely fine until one of them decides to bring a hive ship to Comorragh for lulz.

Culler wrote:

Ascalam wrote:'Fluff: Tyranids strike me as the greatest threat to any race based on worlds (the eldar should be fine.) '

Tell that to Iyanden

I think Iyanden and Malan'tai serve as lessons to move your craftworld out of the way of the shadow in the warp. Hopefully they can handle that now. Even if they can't I don't think the nids will find all the craftworlds when they can actively evade the swarm.

Dark eldar are definitely fine until one of them decides to bring a hive ship to Comorragh for lulz.

They're said to keep regular 'Nids there, from the codex I believe. Regular being non-synapse of course.

Depends on whether the Nids can kill a craftword/exodite worldand then invade via the webway, since all eldar and Dark Eldar ourposts are connected into it...

(not arguing they can, or will, but it's a possibility..)

The Dark Eldar would have fun vs the Nids invading, though the Haemonculi especially would.

Glass Nid collection and poisioned weapon spamming, anyone?

Sorry to clarify in your opinion which would you say is the strongest in your own mind fluff wise, tabletop you cant consider the strongest because if you have horseshoes up your butt you might get a lucky roll with something weak.

So strongest race fluff wise

Split between Necrons and Chaos. Necrons got the whole robotic juggernaut thing, but Chaos has the eternal realm of damnation thing. I'm leaning towards chaos, 'cause most Tomb worlds are still napping. But if you mean as individual units, then Necrons.

Toss up between 'Nids and Chaos.

'Nids out breed everyone--and breed full fledged warriors from the git go. Plus they have the initiative, as they threaten everyone's worlds, but no one have seriously brought war to their home base in space successfully and consistently. The humans have all the good stuff the bad guys want, resources or souls. But 'nids don't have anything anyone wants, especially floating in hive ships in deep space, so all the other races fight them reactivity in defense, but no one thinks it worth while, or has a big enough fleet to to take them on

Chaos, well, it' tough to beat supernatural evil. Like Jason, they just keep comin' back.

Good point. Swarms of super breeding insect warriors are easily put under "strong".

I'm a firm supporter that Imperial Gaurdsmen are the stoutest warriors in the 40k universe. Why you might ask? Because, according to the fluff, space marines in terminator armor have found many many battles, and the standard guardsmen? Well generally the standard guardsmen only ever fights one battle. If they survive that one battle they become veteran gaurdsmen. What's the point of all this you might ask? If my records are correct, I've killed 3 terminators with guardsmen in melee.

Let's put it this way, if you saw some guy wearing an outfit made of paper, killing people left and right with a maglight both by flashing them with it and hitting them with that same flashlight, and doing it with such ease you would think by his expression that he doesn't even realize he's wrecking everyone's face in quick succession. So, would you consider challenging his might? Would pit your skills against this man if you were a vet from the military? No, you would not. You would run without even bothering to roll a leadership test.

Checkmate.

And how many guardsmen didn't kill terminators in however many games it took to get those termies dead?

You could say the same for ork boyz, except that their outfit is made of squig-beer cans and only covers the head (sometimes) and that place on the back you can't reach to scratch...

My Boyz (and grotz) have killed almost everything in the 40K universe, at one point or another, with a badly made saturday night special that does far more harm when you pistol-whip someone with it that when you shoot them..

Yhatzee !


Edit: Frickin autospellchecker...

Ascalam wrote:And how many guardsmen didn't kill terminators in however many games it took to get those termies dead?

You could say the same for ork boyz, except that their outfit is made of squig-beer cans and only covers the head (sometimes) and that place on the back you can't reach to scratch...

My Boyz (and grotz) have killed almost everything in the 40K universe, at one point or another, with a badly made saturday night special that does far more harm when you pistol-whip someone with it that when you shoot them..

Yhatzee !


Edit: Frickin autospellchecker...

quiet you. Orks have large axes and machetes, not to mention larger muscles. A guardsmen has none of this, and can still do the same thing. It even shows a picture of a catachan holding an ork in a neck lock in the IG codex. Even more so, there's always Yarrick. Took off a so called warbosses hand, and used it for himself. Since when has an ork been tough enough to take a human arm? An arm apparently strong enough to strangle said ork? Hmmmm?

the players

Ain't Gonna, oomie.


Orks have way larger muscles, and the same strength score as guard and Eldar

Why, GW, Why?? Eldar and ork biceps are the same??

Grotz are weedier, and still kill ya just as well as stinkin' oomies

Catachans are human-lookalike orks. Nuff said. I don't recall any pics of cadians or Voystarans WWFing orks, but i'd love to see some As i recall they're rather fond of large machetes too.

Yarrick is a badass, i'll grant you, but he did get curbstomped a few times there too

I'll see your Yarrick and raise you a Ghazgkull..

That said i don't recall it saying he ripped off the warboss (and a puny warboss he was..) 's arm with his bare hands, just that he cut it off. A sword seems more likely..

Orks are quite capable of taking off human arms, especially if they get to use their teeth or a choppa

Orks are described in fluff (much like yarrick's exploits are) as being strong enough to rip out a humans throat with one hand, and generally make almost anything eat lots of rug. Doesn't translate so much to gameplay, but in fluff they got da moves.

*editorial note- I think guard are awesome too, but orks are my bigger amry, and keep my humans beaten into submission *

Tyranids are the strongest, overall deadliest race because the Orks will never unite. If the Orks ever did unite, the Galaxy would run green with blood.

Anyone remember ork-genestealer hybrids?

Now there's an ass-kicker of a race

Too bad they got written out of the fluff...

1+ to Ascalam, Orks are the superior race. As the eldar put it orks have won the great stuggle, they don't wage war the survive, they wage war for kicks. They don't need food or drink, war is their fuel. Hell orks can live for a couple hours without their heads, and can be guled back on on problem. When your a giant green killing machine with nothing to gain or lose, you fugin rock and roll.

I agree that the orks are pretty damn resilient which is making me starting to consider possibly maybe in the future perhaps starting an ork army haha

But the tau not a single person so far thinks they will make it as the strongest they have a lot of things n the future for them :p

The tau could be strong as hell in the future, when they get a few minor glitches worked out (like scopes on their guns, and contact lenses

BS 3 is insulting for an army that pathetic at CC.

As they are now they're not bad, but in the grand scale of things pretty insignificant. Give them 10000 years or so and they might well rule!

Are you just talking playable army races? Otherwise you have the likes of C'tan or the Chaos gods, I guess they are a race of somekind.

The rest of the Necrons waking up pretty much would spell the end of things as we know it.

And the survivability of the Orks won't outlast the Necrons (which I'm sure was the idea by the Old Ones) but it may make them the Necrons favorite race. They may not taste great but they're easily reproduced.

10,000 years from now after conquering the cosmos I could see Necron Warriors turning in to Necron Ork Farmers for the C'tan.

C'tan yes- they are a race, just worhipped as gods and almost extinct these days.

The chaos gods aren't a race per se.

I'd say Necrons because they are the most self-sustaining. Other races need to reproduce or have tons of resources, whether it be bio-mass or chaos worship. I'm sure eventually they would wear out but they've been around for a bazillion years and are relatively fine. Like death they are eternal.