C'tan Phase sword - does this suggest some rules for the rumored Necron Release?

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**Darkvoidof40k**

In Codex: GK, the C'tan Phase Sword no longer ignores invulnerable saves. It's just a power weapon that causes Instant Death. So, could Necron players be losing their Warscythe ability to ignore invulnerable saves? Is it better that we have instant death instead of ignoring invulnerable saves? (for the Assassin, obviously there's no real problem, but for Necrons?)

Discuss.

**GeckoOBac**

Well they removed completely the ability to ignore invulnerable saves that was one of the characteristics of GK weapons... So it may be just a GK thing or perhaps the overall direction of the rules.

**Jackal**

They turned GK into power armour killers, not daemon killers.

TBH, i cant see it changing too much for crons.
As it is there is only a lord with one, the pariah's are complete junk so never get used.

**timetowaste85**

The C'Tan also have those attacks that ignore invul. Yes, I know rumor has it they may not even be in the book...but there are 4 individual types of models in the book who have access to the warscythe-type weapon. It could be a decent change, and to be honest, I'd love it if they just caused instant death instead of ignoring invul saves. Seems a bit more like stable close-combat style gauss weaponry, rather than "Oh, I wounded your chapter master with three pariahs after you killed seven of them-you die and lose." At least "no armor, instant death" allows a chance of survival for said character. Not MUCH...but it's better than it was and I really don't think it'll mess up the 'Crons much, if at all.

**Jackal**

He was talking about warscythes though

C'tan ignore saves without having a scythe.

So, a nightbringer cant kill a trygon in a single turn.
Now though, you think being able to do so will be fine?
I prefer it as it is, going with ID is overkill.
Keep in mind that if your using pariah's then you have too much money to burn for a bad unit

**MechaEmperor7000**

I think they should just go with ID. Ignoring Invuls causes alot of fluff weirdness (how does a blade that cut through force fields also freeze an assassin or Wych, who get their invul save by dodging?). Plus it just seems like another one of those "how can we make them even deader" rules, like how JotWW goes around Eternal Warrior.

**Darkvoidof40k**

True, but we have yet to receive fluff justification for this instant deathing.. and I have a feeling we're not going to like it. If they come out with some "this is now an uber force weapon of permanent on-ness"

**Kurgash**

I'd be a bit mad but probably warm up to it if more units got the option and it proved very useful when I finally have a means to deal with monstrous creature spam and TW cavalry without wasting entire shooting phases hoping for a handful of wounds.

**Darkvoidof40k**

Well I'll be damned, Kurgash. We both posted at exactly the same time, give or take a few miliseconds! Now that's not something you see every day..

**MechaEmperor7000**

Darkvoidof40k wrote:True, but we have yet to receive fluff justification for this instant deathing.. and I have a feeling we're not going to like it. If they come out with some "this is now an uber force weapon of permanent on-ness"

Maybe the Necrodermis clogs your arteries and gives them a heart attack?

**Darkvoidof40k**

Or maybe the target is killed by a concentrated burst of imagination?

We all know that's the most powerful power/energy/explanation source in 40k.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Do Necrons dream of Robotic Grox?

**Kurgash**

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Or maybe the target is killed by a concentrated burst of imagination? We all know that's the most powerful power/energy/explanation source in 40k.

My Lords and Pariahs will now be wielding this to kill their enemies, WITH IMAGINATION!!!!

**Darkvoidof40k**

Imagination Land FOR THE WIN!

**Jackal**

Any takers on my bet of it being turned into a basic rending wep?

Lets face it, crons get kicked in the nuts with every update or FAQ.

**Darkvoidof40k**

Except for my update.

**MechaEmperor7000**

IG was also the buttmonkey until their update, and DE players got a mild case of "who's laughing now" syndrome too. Plus if it is written by ward (some rumors hints it) you can expect to see alot of "imagination juice"

Also, a bit OT: Dark, I just realised you quoted me XD

**rodgers37**

Haven't read all the posts here, just the first few.
But i think the Lord/Pirahas will lose the 'ignore all saves' like the C'tan Phase sword.... But really, assuming the very early rumours about C-tans not being in the dex are un-true, C-tans should definatly still ignore all saves........

**MechaEmperor7000**

The new C'tan phase sword in the GK codex only inflicts ID now. The one for Witchhunters, if they still have assassins, will definately follow suit come update.

**Darkvoidof40k**

Indeed, I did quote you. Ages ago. Couldn't be bothered to remove it, and there seemed no reason to.

Gentlemen, allow me to direct you to here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/294849.page

**Juvieus Kaine**

If the C'tan phase blades echo the warscythes, Pariahs will hit blenders. There will be no saving them from that lack of killing, no matter what else you change about them.

**asimo77**

I like my invuln ignoring Warscythes. It's a fairly unique weapon and harkens back to the days of old where a Necron army would make you a little scared. ID seems kinda useless.

I rather keep that than WBB. Unless pariahs become like 20 something points :p

**Sir Pseudonymous**

I for one like the idea of nothing ignoring invulns, since invulns are just a generic "other" save, caused by such disparate things as forcefields, dodging, and not physically existing when the shot goes through where you are, to name a few. How is anything supposed to ignore all of those, while still making sense? A power weapon that IDs the target makes a lot more sense.

**Nightbringer's Chosen**

I'd really like they to stay as-is, but I highly doubt they will. And the idea to keep Invulnerable saves invulnerable, rather than just a different flavor of save, certainly has merit.

Failing that, my wish?: Power weapon, instant-death, reroll successful Invulnerable saves. Innate to C'Tan (or whatever kind of 'heralds'/'ascended Lords' take their place), standard on Pariahs, buyable as wargear for Lords.