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hi, new here, hope i put this in the right spot. i have two questions that i really need help with:

1) if its not stated in the profile of the psyker ability does it need line of sight? personally i need help with any psyker ability, but in my game it came up with "the blood lance" of the blood angels chapter. also this concern came up when i read the eldar codex and one of the psyker abilities actually said "within line of sight" but none of the other farseer abilities do. (as of this moment those are my only two armies so i don't have any other examples)

2) my friend likes to use a wall, he calls it "vertically impassible" and shoots ordinance from behind it. what i wanna know is, given the normal rule book, if an ordinance and a flyer can go over it, doesn't that mean a skimmer can shoot over it too? this wall is what raised my question before, he said i couldn't use psyker attacks without line of sight even though no where in the rules did it say i needed it to use the psyker abilities.

1) Eldar psykers usually may use any of their powers without line of sight, that's why it specifically mentions LoS on Mind War. Any psyker without such a rule always has to have LoS for his powers' target unless stated otherwise.

For blood lance, as it does not target anything specifically you don't need any LoS. Since it isn't stopped by terrain, you should be able to "shoot" his guys behind the wall with it.

2) Skimmers, as well as any other unit, may fire over it, if you can trace LoS from your unit to his artillery. Depending on the hight of the wall, the storm raven(for example) might be able to shoot units on the other side. As long as you can see it, you can shoot it. There is no such thing as terrain preventing shooting something you can trace LoS to in WH40k.

1) Psychic shooting attacks require LOS. Psychic abilities that aren't shooting attacks will specify whether or not they require LOS.

2) True LOS is the rule here. If the wall is, in fact, large enough to physically block your LOS, then you can't fire "over" it. Skimmer, jump troops, etc, can fly over it in movement, but can't fire over it if they find themselves on the wrong side. Also, Ordinance weapons cannot fire over the wall either. Barrage weapons can. Many ordinance weapons are also barrage, but not all of them. And, there are plenty of barrage weapons that are not ordinance.

Grakmar wrote:1) Psychic shooting attacks require LOS. Psychic abilities that aren't shooting attacks will specify whether or not they require LOS.

True, my fault. Most Psychic abilities that target something will call for LoS though.

ok cool, so if its a shooting psyker ability then it does unless stated otherwise (i had that much right ) but if its not a shooting attack and doesnt state it requires los then i can use it with out los.

now to clarify, a normal ordinance weapon cannot shoot over the giant wall that is what my friend calls it? so if his ordinance can shoot so can a skimmer? (the model we use for the wall is barely 12" high)

Well, what did shoot over the wall? Hard to answer your question without this information, as some ordinace weapons are allowed to fire over it, namely ordinace barage.


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Also note that your blood lance does state otherwise, even though it's a shooting attack.

Jidmah wrote:Well, what did shoot over the wall? Hard to answer your question without this information, as some ordinace weapons are allowed to fire over it, namely ordinace barage.

yea sorry, just spent that last half hour goin through the forums. he cheated me since his leman russ cant shoot over the wall. so the second question is now answered but im still worried about the first. the blood lance is still odd to me, its not considered a shooting attack?

edit: grekmar and jidmah thank you for the help, but i dont understand where "the blood lance" fits in with los and shooting attacks

Well, it doesn't. You point a direction, roll dice to see how far it goes and hit everything touched by it. LoS is only relevant to see if a unit got cover from your psycher in that case.

thank you so much