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to date, maybe that will change with the GK comming out but, which unit could be in the top 10 absulute worst units, all strategies coufounded

Pyrovores. Absolutely dumb in their current state. Yay I have a heavy flamer with a power weapon that strikes at I1, and costs almost as much as a Terminator while taking up one of Tyranids most valueable FOC slots!!!

Ethereals are the #1 worst unit in the game right now.

Their benefit: Units that can see the Ethereal re-roll morale test.
Their downside: If they die, half of your army is running off the board.

They only benefit your army if they are out in the open. They die very easily out in the open.

Vespid stingwings, sisters repentia, and the units already listed all come to mind pretty quickly.

As far as 5th edition codices go, the bad choices are much rarer. Stormravens are one that I nominate for that. AV 12 and costs about as much as a land raider.

Tankbustas, Flash Gitz, Looted Wagons

The Vendetta is ridiculously over-costed. And don't get me started about that useless lay-about Marbo!

1 - Aun'va
2 - Beasts of Nurgle
3 - Guardians
4 - Flayed Ones
5 - Vanguard Veterans

That's all I can think of for now.


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Doctor Optimal wrote:The Vendetta is ridiculously over-costed. And don't get me started about that useless lay-about Marbo!

Ahh Marbo. That boy can seriously ruin your day.

DA scouts FTW!

Even if a squad is overcosted e.g. Vanguard vets they can still do damage and be pretty good.
For a truly useless unit you'd have to be expensive(ish) and do nothing at all or take up a spot that other much better units can use.

Ethereals
Pyrovores
Tomb spiders

To name a few.

Oh look, it's THIS thread again....

Vespids, swooping hawks, Raptors, flayed ones, possessed, pyrovore, harpy, tyrannofex, rough riders, storm troopers, ogyns.

To name a few

Rough Riders, Storm Troopers and Ogryns are all pretty dang useful if you use them right.

Useless units, hmmm....one that comes to mind is Mogul Kamir, the only character who makes a unit measurably WORSE. That's on Ethereal/Aun'va levels.

I disagree with rough riders, ogryn, and especially with storm troopers. That said, the guard codex does have a couple of stinkers.

Leman Russ punisher: 180 points and a wasted HS slot for something that does less damage than its points in LASGUNS.

Leman Russ Eradicator. 160 points and a wasted HS slot for a single heavy flamer.

Techpriest Enginseer: ... yeah...

Aside from the obvious Pyrovore, I don't like Ripper Swarms. As far as I'm concerned they're a waste of a troops slot. I can only see myself utilizing them if I ran a Parasite of Mortex list, mostly because they're a free unit. I just don't like how easily they die, and that they can kill themselves if they go out of synapse range - there are far better troops choices that a Nids player can take.

Here's my list


Chaos Spawn.

Deathstrike (so useless most people forget about it entirely).

Pyrovore.

IG Priests and IG Techpriests (we'll call this one entry even though it's really two).

Swooping Hawks.

Warbuggies/Wartrakks.

Chaos Dreadnoughts.

Tau Ethereals.

Sister's Repentia.

Vespids.

Close runner ups:

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Imperial Guard Stormtroopers, Ogryns, LR Punisher, Sentinels, Lictors, Lord Commissars, Penitent Engines, Shining Spears, Flash Gitz, Necron Pariahs, Chaos Marine Bikers, etc.

Vaktathi wrote:Here's my list


Chaos Spawn.

Deathstrike (so useless most people forget about it entirely).

Pyrovore.

IG Priests and IG Techpriests (we'll call this one entry even though it's really two).

Swooping Hawks.

Warbuggies/Wartrakks.

Chaos Dreadnoughts.

Tau Ethereals.

Sister's Repentia.

Vespids.

Close runner ups:

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Imperial Guard Stormtroopers, Ogryns, LR Punisher, Sentinels, Lictors, Lord Commissars, Penitent Engines, Shining Spears, Flash Gitz, Necron Pariahs, Chaos Marine Bikers, etc.

nice one

I'm surprised Flash Gitz aren't on here more than they are.

also, all the info on this thread will end up in a e-book, everybody that comments gets a free copy when it's done!

maxthecat122 wrote:also, all the info on this thread will end up in a e-book, everybody that comments gets a free copy when it's done!

Cool, just a basic guide on the WH40K units that suck? Should we give reasoning behind the poor performance of our least-favourite models?

What about Space Pope?

He was bad in the last edition, giving out Cover Saves like candy, especially one that matches his, just made it worse.

Vaktathi wrote:IG Priests and IG Techpriests (we'll call this one entry even though it's really two).

Techpriests are awful, but regular priest are nothing of the sort.

The techpriest stands around and tries vainly to fix stuff, with having little other use of their own.

A regular priest is death incarnate to vehicles and increases the close combat ability of whatever unit they join by 25%, which if that close combat ability is a power blob, is no small amount. They are far from useless.

Possesed and Pariah spring to mind. Chaos Spawn should also definately be in the top 5, because why Would you waste points on a unit that has Rage, SaP, and no save what-so-ever?

Death Company Tycho

Vaktathi wrote:Here's my list
[...]
IG Priests and IG Techpriests (we'll call this one entry even though it's really two).
[...]

Disagree with the priests. They can be useful in power blobs.

Chaos Spawn

Too bad we don't have the old tyranid codex still around. Their biovores used to literally shoot KP at their opponents.

Vaktathi wrote:Here's my list ...

Close runner ups:

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Imperial Guard Stormtroopers, Ogryns, LR Punisher, Sentinels, Lictors, Lord Commissars, Penitent Engines, Shining Spears, Flash Gitz, Necron Pariahs, Chaos Marine Bikers, etc.

Agreement on the Death Strike, however, I find both Inquisitorial and IG Storm Troopers quite useful. In fact, I've yet to play a game where they didn't do something useful for me (I've used both recently as I try to figure out which I like better -- still undecided!) Hardly worthy of "worst units in 40K" dishonours.

Oh the Carnifex. Especialyl one armed with Crushing Claws. And possibly Old one Eye

Doctor Optimal wrote:
Disagree with the priests. They can be useful in power blobs.

They also tend to get killed due to being IC's and having to attempt to make it into contact first, with their low Init they are often killed off before they do anything, and their special rule does nothing except on a turn that you charge. If they were an upgrade character, and if they could be used with Ogryns, they might be useful, but alas

NWansbutter wrote:

Agreement on the Death Strike, however, I find both Inquisitorial and IG Storm Troopers quite useful. In fact, I've yet to play a game where they didn't do something useful for me (I've used both recently as I try to figure out which I like better -- still undecided!) Hardly worthy of "worst units in 40K" dishonours.

They generally are only worth anything as minimum sized melta suicide squads. In that case, they are somewhat decent, but otherwise they are just awful. The INQ stormtroopers aren't really worth more than 7ppm tops (BS4 doesn't mean much on Lasguns, and the 4+ saves are drastically overvalued and always have been), and the IG Stormtroopers pay out the nose for that AP3 that really just puts them on even footing with MEQ's in a shooting war (while being shorter ranged and painfully inferior in CC).

I used to run a Stormtrooper company with the old IG codex, I've got probably close to 200 various Stormtrooper models (DKoK Grenadiers, Kasrkin, Stormtroopers, etc), I've used them quite a bit, and unfortunately they just never really perform despite being probably my favorite units in the game visually and fluffwise.

I keep dreaming one day we'll get good stormtroopers that are something other than Plasma/Melta delivery systems. Something like WS4 BS4 S3 T3 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv4+ with Furious Charge & Counterattack, Pistol/CCW and S3 AP5 Assault 3 18" Hellguns with DS and Infiltrate for like 70pts for a 5man squad with a sergeant or 130 for 10 before upgrades. That way they'd actually be *Stormtroopers*, well equipped short range shock assault infantry that are all about short range firefights and digging enemies out of entrenched positions, and be capable enough to do it, but while still being cheap enough to field (but not cheap enough to displace normal guardsmen which would still be roughtly two and a half times cheaper).

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

maxthecat122 wrote:also, all the info on this thread will end up in a e-book, everybody that comments gets a free copy when it's done!

Cool, just a basic guide on the WH40K units that suck? Should we give reasoning behind the poor performance of our least-favourite models?

Yep, that's a great idea