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I need to add some spice to my relationship!

Fellow Dakkaites, I need your help!

I've been playing with my current vanilla SM list for almost a year at this point. While we've had our ups and downs and I've had my dalliances with other armies I always come home to the Smurfs. I'm not complaining but things have gotten a little "stale" in the gaming department. Now I'm not looking to start a whole 'nother army but I would like some suggestions on trying something different with my army. Here's the list as is:

HQ-Chaplain

Troops- Tac squad x3
Scout squad

Elites- CC Terminators
-LRR transport

FA- Land speeder x3
Land Speeder storm

HS- Vindicator x3

It's been a fun list (I do LOVE having 3 large blast templates at S10) but I want to change it up. I'm not asking for a specific list to try but more of a new theme, or more accurately, a theme at all. My current list works but it's a little, well, vanilla, more a hodge podge of everything than any real theme. So here it is Dakkaites, give me a direction with some spice for my army. Tell me about your current Vanilla SM list and how you're running it.

My request is:
-No special characters
-The zanier, but still viable, the better. Have a Master of the Forge list with 6 drop podding dreads? Is it fun to play? Tell me more! An all bike list? How's that working for you? Give me something to work towards before I go out and do something stupid like start a Chaos Space Marine list!

Your list is very short ranged. Why not go more of a dakka direction? Switch out those vindis for preds and maybe a TFC or two. Just a thought

Your list seems pretty solid. Unfortunatly, codex space marines, by their vary nature, tend to be somewhat plain. Their advantages don't come from doing somthing clever or sneaky, but from simply having very good stats. The only advice I can think of is to rethink your stance on special characters. Many of the special characters in the marine book have rules that effect your entire army, so the addition of a single model can change your whole flavor. The character doesn't have to actualy be the specific named guy, just use any model of your own devising and chapter so long as he's armed appropriatly.

i think your list is illegal. i may be wrong but the 3 vindicators take up your three heavy support choices and yet you also have a land raider redeemer. Thats illegal unless is an apoc army but i dont think it is

For soemthgin different why nto bring in some Dreads or a MotF with a Tunderfire Cannon?

Maybe lose a couple of speeders and bring in a squad of assult troops that coudl roll with the chaplain (chuck a jump pack on him).

Maybe take a fun character to add some nice extra rules to your army?

LR of all flavors can be DT for 1 unit of Terminators in the army.

It's GTG.

Master Melta wrote:LR of all flavors can be DT for 1 unit of Terminators in the army.

It's GTG.

If someone didn't have the inside knowledge, and was only using the hovering thing on your acronyms, this would say:

Land Raiders of all flavors can be Dangerous Terrain for 1 unit of Terminators in the army. It's going to ground.

At any rate, yes it's a wonderfully legal list.
To the OP:

I tend to take

HQ: Anything, tailored to beat up my opponent.
Troops: 2 Tactical squads, combat squaded, usually with missile launcher and meltagun.
Elites: Sternguard, combat squads, with combi-meltas in a drop pod.
Land Raider Crusader with extra multi-melta.

After that, I add pretty much anything, depending on how I feel before the game. I take Vulkan as an HQ quite often, and when I have the extra points I nab Chronus in the Land raider, who boosts its effectiveness quite a bit.

econtutor wrote:I need to add some spice to my relationship!

Fellow Dakkaites, I need your help!

I've been playing with my current vanilla SM list for almost a year at this point. While we've had our ups and downs and I've had my dalliances with other armies I always come home to the Smurfs. I'm not complaining but things have gotten a little "stale" in the gaming department. Now I'm not looking to start a whole 'nother army but I would like some suggestions on trying something different with my army. Here's the list as is:


My request is:
-No special characters
-The zanier, but still viable, the better. Have a Master of the Forge list with 6 drop podding dreads? Is it fun to play? Tell me more! An all bike list? How's that working for you? Give me something to work towards before I go out and do something stupid like start a Chaos Space Marine list!

One thing you could try is dropping your chaplain, and picking up a Terminator Librarian, and convert a storm shield on him. Very solid HQ.

Bike armies can be very fun and challenging to play. 6 Dread lists are almost always accompanied by Vulkan though. Why no special characters??? Special characters are amazing in the Vanilla book, and they give you a wide varity of playstyles and themes.

Master Melta wrote:LR of all flavors can be DT for 1 unit of Terminators in the army.

It's GTG.

land raiders cannot be Dedicated transports for terminators.

they just happen to be the only tank capable of transporting them.

Ridealgh wrote:

Master Melta wrote:LR of all flavors can be DT for 1 unit of Terminators in the army.

It's GTG.

land raiders cannot be Dedicated transports for terminators.

they just happen to be the only tank capable of transporting them.

In the Marine codex, A single Terminator Squad in the army list can take a Land Raider dedicated transport, and a single Assault Terminator squad may take one as well. So you can legally fit 5 Land Raiders in a force org:

5x Terminators
Land Raider Dedicated transport
5x TH/SS Terminators
Land Raider Dedicated transport

Land Raider
Land Raider
Land Raider

Heck do up a good fluff based army. Think of a battle barge of marines who are stranded on some planet, their captain was killed, and only have certain troops and no access to others, say you have 2 preds but no other vechicles or something. Try to get the most for your points and create a challenge for yourself, you may end up finding some new strategies based on limited army choices. That alone could make it more interesting. Try to do some conversions too, maybe even add onto some of your models. Creating character for your force tends to improve your overall like for it. I know some conversions take awhile, but with a little effort and patience you could have a pretty not so typical marine force after a short while.

Ridealgh wrote:

Master Melta wrote:LR of all flavors can be DT for 1 unit of Terminators in the army.

It's GTG.

land raiders cannot be Dedicated transports for terminators.

they just happen to be the only tank capable of transporting them.

Whoa whoa whoa.....even in the CSM codex termies can take a LR as a DT.

Gorgarak wrote:Heck do up a good fluff based army. Think of a battle barge of marines who are stranded on some planet, their captain was killed, and only have certain troops and no access to others, say you have 2 preds but no other vechicles or something. Try to get the most for your points and create a challenge for yourself, you may end up finding some new strategies based on limited army choices. That alone could make it more interesting. Try to do some conversions too, maybe even add onto some of your models. Creating character for your force tends to improve your overall like for it. I know some conversions take awhile, but with a little effort and patience you could have a pretty not so typical marine force after a short while.

Agreed with this. Make your force fluffy, add icons and symbols onto your marines showing that they all are veterans. Hell thats what I did in one of my campaign (of course I did get special rules of my choice.)

I run a hybrid thunderfire cannon all biker list for my counts as iron hands army. With two ironclads going in first and everything else running interference while either a lander raider with TH SS termies or captain on bike with command squad on bike do the hard hitting, I've been having good fun and pretty much stomping everything I touch.

I have even tried using ten strenguard and a librarian with gate of infinity, nothing like getting that special ammo right were I need it using the libby in termi armor and having locator becons nearby.

A master of the forge on a bike is very fun to use.

A small unit of vanguard, while expensive, can be very fun to use. Having three minimum squads in reserve can actually win you some games!

I too play vanilla marines (Revilers) and I have a couple of fun units I like to take now and again. I'm always gaming with friends in a casual manner so it's usually just a bit of a laugh when I field them.

I have 20 Assault Marines modelled without Jump Packs that I put in Rhinos. They are a little more survivable due to the transport and can carry 2 Flamers. I some times proxy them as Vanguard Veterans on foot also all with power weapons etc for a laugh. They can't hold objectives or anything but are fun to use!

I also sometimes take 10 Terminators with 2 Cyclones (HFlamers if playing my Orky friend) and attach a Terminator Librarian with Gate and Null Zone. Granted you have a very small army and teleporting all over the board can have disastrous consequences but when it pays off and hits your opponent for six it is quite rewarding!

ok can i ask what vanilla space marines are because i dont have a clue

Why not a Crimson Fist style army with scouts as troops and filling up elites using Sternguard. Obviously that would be awesome with Pedro Kantor, but you could still do it with any regular HQ (2 Libby's anyone ).

Or maybe a drop podding force.

thefallen13 wrote:ok can i ask what vanilla space marines are because i dont have a clue

The basic marine codex. With the blue guys on front.

oh ok cheers

I run 12 different lists.
My bikes list which is a 1,500 point list (Annoys the hell out of my enemies.)
Which includes this....
HQ Librarian-Captain Kalitizfiel 190 points (Can be used for either Librarian or a Captain same amount of points.)
Librarian Hektor
Elite
Sternguard 1 heavy flamer
Troops
Tactical Squad x3 (lascanon, heavy bolter, rocket launcher, 2x plasma guns, melta gun, 3x power weapons.)
Fast Attack
Bike Squad (2x melta, 1 multimelta,)
Land Speeder (Assault Cannon, Multimelta,)
1500
Lots of fun to play with.

Then my razor spam list is even worse for my enemies. Just imagine if I combined the two lists for a 3500 point game.

scubasteve04 wrote:

Ridealgh wrote:

Master Melta wrote:LR of all flavors can be DT for 1 unit of Terminators in the army.

It's GTG.

land raiders cannot be Dedicated transports for terminators.

they just happen to be the only tank capable of transporting them.

In the Marine codex, A single Terminator Squad in the army list can take a Land Raider dedicated transport, and a single Assault Terminator squad may take one as well. So you can legally fit 5 Land Raiders in a force org:

5x Terminators
Land Raider Dedicated transport
5x TH/SS Terminators
Land Raider Dedicated transport

Land Raider
Land Raider
Land Raider

http://htmlimg4.scribdassets.com/b4bym8uqzsialq8/images/31-9bec76afb9/000.jpg

Under this section of the Vanilla marines codex edition 5 which is the most recent there is no indication that Land Raiders
of ANY type can be dedicated transports for terminators or indeed any infantry

Ridealgh wrote:

scubasteve04 wrote:

Ridealgh wrote:

Master Melta wrote:LR of all flavors can be DT for 1 unit of Terminators in the army.

It's GTG.

land raiders cannot be Dedicated transports for terminators.

they just happen to be the only tank capable of transporting them.

In the Marine codex, A single Terminator Squad in the army list can take a Land Raider dedicated transport, and a single Assault Terminator squad may take one as well. So you can legally fit 5 Land Raiders in a force org:

5x Terminators
Land Raider Dedicated transport
5x TH/SS Terminators
Land Raider Dedicated transport

Land Raider
Land Raider
Land Raider

http://htmlimg4.scribdassets.com/b4bym8uqzsialq8/images/31-9bec76afb9/000.jpg

Under this section of the Vanilla marines codex edition 5 which is the most recent there is no indication that Land Raiders
of ANY type can be dedicated transports for terminators or indeed any infantry

If you would go just as far as page 136 you'd notice that you can indeed take Land raiders as dedicated transports, with at most one being used by assault terminators and one used by normal termies, as scubasteve pointed out.

Dedicated Transport:
• One Terminator squad in the army may select a Land
Raider of any type as a dedicated transport.
(see Heavy Support for points costs).

Pg 136.

Dedicated Transport:
• One Terminator Assault Squad in the army may select a
Land Raider of any type as a dedicated transport.
(see Heavy Support for points costs).

Pg 136 - Assault terminator entry.

Plus 3 Heavy support.


O_o

It upsets me that grey knights can't do this as well given that they have ton of terminators to carry around... But still.

Land raider crusader with a hold full of assault termies is bad for just about any army. Fill the rest with some troops and perhaps a couple preds to give long range support and more targets for AT weaponry.