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so, Orks have been dethroned as to the fewest models they can have in a legal force.

Orks could do 2 Bik Meks and 2 Deffdreds. 4 models=legal force


GKs have Lord Draigo and 2 units of 1 palidin each. 3 models=legal force.


even sadder still, the army can be 500 points

Draigo

1 Palidin(Apothecary, Warding Staff)

1 Palidin(Warding Staff)

500 points on the money.

Have fun getting massacred?

But yeah, that is definitely the lowest model count army - and no one can beat it. 3 is the absolute lowest.

You could probably also make an entire 1000 point army with one box of converted terminators (with one as Draigo and 4 units of 1 Paladin each).

No SS for the converted draigo


That was one thing i didn't like about the changes. no SS terminators. then again, Force Swords+SS would equal a statistical impossability for anything to kill terminators in CC.

a SS is pretty easily converted from plasticard (I just use plastic icecream tub lids). Still though, 80 CAD for a 1000 point army runs MUCH cheaper than any other army.

LOL 3 models!
Thats great!
3 models for one army.

now if only the Apothecary gave a FnP bubble instead of just his unit.


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Lets do a 1k army.

Draigo

4 Palidins(Apothecary, Psybolts, Warding Staff, 2 pair of Falchions, Brotherhood banner)

4 Palidins(Apothecary, Psybolts, Warding Staff, 2 pair of Falchions)

1000 on the money.



9 models

Grey Templar wrote:now if only the Apothecary gave a FnP bubble instead of just his unit.


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Lets do a 1k army.

Draigo

4 Palidins(Apothecary, Psybolts, Warding Staff, 2 pair of Falchions, Brotherhood banner)

4 Palidins(Apothecary, Psybolts, Warding Staff, 2 pair of Falchions)

1000 on the money.



9 models

Now I feel bad for fielding 100 models in a 1000 point game.

The words 'low model count' mean very little to me being an Ork player. If i run a footsloggers army to target saturate my opponent we're looking at SEAS of boyz.

Wouldn't have it any other way!!

I never claimed that this was a good army


if the Palidins could take Psycannons with less then 5 guys it would be better, but would still be a horrible army.

I would love to play against that army!

Draigo :the new way to get the smallest possible LEGAL army....


who can do the largest point army?

Retrias wrote:Draigo :the new way to get the smallest possible LEGAL army....


who can do the largest point army?

Chaos Space Marines. No limit on the amount of spawns they get.

EDIT: Although technically Coteaz henchman spam could do the same these days...

Spawn OR lesser daemons.

If you ignore the "Unlimited" codexes, then the highest points is BA then IG. BA with 6 units of 30 DC, jump packs and double thunderhammers to start, and IG maxing out platoons.

*Curses the Forum search function . Looks through own pen&paper notes. A-HA, found it.*
Here are the results for the question "How expensive force can you build with full FOC, NOT counting things that
do not count for it". Note that this list is now inaccurate regards to the Grey Knights.

1) Blood Angels: 25746
2) Imperial Guard: 25359
3) Space Marines: 12230
4) Space Wolves: 12220
5) Black Templars: 11562
6) Chaos Space Marines: 10760
7) Orks: 10611
8) Witch Hunters: 10060
9) Tyranids: 9965
10) Daemon Hunters: 9246
11) Tau Empire: 8745
12) Dark Angels: 8540
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: Kabal 7774 / Wych Cult 7990
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385

dammit, i wanted a small, showy GK army of 500 points but all i will get out of that 500 points is 3 models.... meh, money saving capabilities FTW!

nosferatu1001 wrote:Spawn OR lesser daemons.

If you ignore the "Unlimited" codexes, then the highest points is BA then IG. BA with 6 units of 30 DC, jump packs and double thunderhammers to start, and IG maxing out platoons.

Well... Draigo with full squads of kitted out paladin comes out quite expensive when each bare model is 55 points...

Nine paladins + apoth, 1 warding stave, brotherhood banner, 8 falchions, 4 psycannons, psybolt ammunition and MC EVERYTHING. This comes at the very cheap price of 910 points per unit. For six times (perhaps nine? Can you buy paladins as elite as well with draigo in game?).

Add mordrak with full kitted retinue, 445 points.

Let's say you can't take paladins as elite with draigo, that leaves us with purifiers... Full unit, 4 psycannons, falchions, stave, psybolt, digital weapons and MC weapons for the sergeant, with dedicated asscan razorback wtih psybolt ammo (Yes I could buy more, but it's already overkill I think), 450 points, x3

425 points each for 3 squads of fully kitted out interceptors.

475 For fully kitted purgation squads with asscan razorback.

Total for a full FoC GK arrmy without relying on "infinite slots" tricks: 10.230 points.

I think even a full platoons IG army would have a hard time beating that.



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Ow. I stand correct... GKs barely make it to over halfway up =/
Though perhaps if we want to correct that chart we may have to add full upgrades to the razorbacks... That's 366 points more, for a total of 10.596 points
Honorable mention to the GKGM that with full upgrades can stand, as a single model, at 425 points

Gecko - as youve found, little comes close to IG or BA

BA do it by having 30 models that cost 65 points (from memory) each per unit of troops. Something like 12k just in troops

IG Platoons can be insanely large, and insanely expensive.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Gecko - as youve found, little comes close to IG or BA

BA do it by having 30 models that cost 65 points (from memory) each per unit of troops. Something like 12k just in troops

IG Platoons can be insanely large, and insanely expensive.

Ok that much I can get... But how the hell can normal space marines cost more than GKs?
Edit: also, GKs get slightly higher points... If you take a kitted inqui + a full jokaero henchmen warband mounted on razorback you use more points than mordrak... 734 points total, for a +289 points difference, for a total of 10885 points. This should bump em at 6th place over CSM.

GeckoOBac wrote:
Ok that much I can get... But how the hell can normal space marines cost more than GKs?

"Normal" as in death company wielding 2 thunder hammers each jumping across the field with jump packs?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GeckoOBac wrote:
Ok that much I can get... But how the hell can normal space marines cost more than GKs?

"Normal" as in death company wielding 2 thunder hammers each jumping across the field with jump packs?

No normal as in vanilla space marines, which rank 3rd in that ranking...

GeckoOBac wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GeckoOBac wrote:
Ok that much I can get... But how the hell can normal space marines cost more than GKs?

"Normal" as in death company wielding 2 thunder hammers each jumping across the field with jump packs?

No normal as in vanilla space marines, which rank 3rd in that ranking...

Oh..

How the gak did THAT happen?

Probably biker captain with full biker troops, terminators with dedicated LRs, jump pack vanguards and something else.

At least I guess so... Terminators with dedicated land raiders can help close the gap, but at 910 points per paladin squad I doubt biker troops can cost that much...

Good for them, it's how it should be.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GeckoOBac wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GeckoOBac wrote:
Ok that much I can get... But how the hell can normal space marines cost more than GKs?

"Normal" as in death company wielding 2 thunder hammers each jumping across the field with jump packs?

No normal as in vanilla space marines, which rank 3rd in that ranking...

Oh..

How the gak did THAT happen?

Bike legion?

Anyway my question is more on the side of "who can do reverse grey knight" as in highest model count in lowest point possible (500) while still being legal

Orks can get a big Mek for 35. 29 Gretchin and 2 runtherds for 107. So a legal force of 63 models for 249 points, 1 Mek, 58 Grots, 4 Runtherds.

Gitzbitah wrote:Orks can get a big Mek for 35. 29 Gretchin and 2 runtherds for 107. So a legal force of 63 models for 249 points, 1 Mek, 58 Grots, 4 Runtherds.

And the reverse of that is to have a big mek and two units of 10 gretchin. Legal army for 115 points.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:How the gak did THAT happen?

You can check the results ( and how they were achieved ):

Original thread : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/289819.page
Redux ( updated the Dark Eldar ): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/331844.page

Gitzbitah wrote:Orks can get a big Mek for 35. 29 Gretchin and 2 runtherds for 107. So a legal force of 63 models for 249 points, 1 Mek, 58 Grots, 4 Runtherds.

slightly more costly but you can get 73 models in a gk army with coteaz + 6 full squads of naked acolytes, at exactly 388 points. Legality of the army while taking more than 6 choices is disputable so I don't know... If the aim is going for 500 points there's not much else you can do here, since the wording on coteaz's rules seem to imply that you cannot take warbands as elites as well... If you could you could squeeze 2 more full hench squads and one 4 man squad for exactly 500 points, bringing the total to 101 models in 500 points.

Still not bad for a "low model count" army, even if you limit yourself to 6 henchmen warbands... Ofc you would kit them in a serious list, but there's quite a lot of room there...

Retrias wrote:

Anyway my question is more on the side of "who can do reverse grey knight" as in highest model count in lowest point possible (500) while still being legal

IG Can Do this:

CCS (5 models)
Platoon A: PCS, 2x Squad (25 Models)
Platoon B: PCS, 2x Squad, 47 Conscripts (67 models)

That's a legal force of 107 models.