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I like playing BT with their codex, but it has been bland as of late and I have been looking at other codices to see what would be fun, but not lame. I really dislike cheese lists - (as in lists full of mass redundancy on the best units etc). I purchased the Grey Knight codex and it does have some nice stuff, but I am wondering which army plays closet to the Black Templars:

If you want an army that plays closest to Black Templars, why not just play Black Templars?

Have to agree with Ronin on this one. Black Templars having a decent, semi competetive codex so I can't think why you would use another. There really isn't a lot in the other codices that represents their unique organisation, just be patient, the new FAQ should get you by until they eventually get round to releasing a new codex. As a side note, you'd be crazy to use the chaos codex to represent them, it does a bad job of representing half the chaos legions let alone loyalist ones.

I have to agree with the above two, if you want to play Black Templars, play Black Templars. With the new FAQ, we actually have a fighting chance.

"I like playing BT with their codex, but it has been bland as of late"

- so anything on the other codex styles that would help?

I don't see "Black Templars" listed so I can't vote!

I'm starting to worry about the posters at Dakka..............................

"I like playing BT with their codex, but it has been bland as of late"

I read your post, I just find it really silly whenever people codex-hop from Marine 'dex to Marine 'dex. They're not entirely that different, really. What would you do with the Space Wolves codex to make your army different? Thunderhorse Cavalry? Knight Priests? Nothing fields Black Templars better than Black Templars.

just play using the current BT codex, with FAQ its still a competitive army, plus you can take terminator squads with 2x assault cannons or 2x cyclone missile launchers. no one else can do that.

Are we seriously asking this?
I mean the fact you jumped to suggesting playing Grey knights is even more telling
Use Black Templars, they represent them best
Nothing is holding them back at all from using them in a way that represents them

You could make this argument possibly with Chaos, but this is just flatout ridiculous and I only hope your not being serious

I think I over estimated asking at Dakka. I have played Black Templars since 3rd edition and I am aware that the Black Templar codex plays them the best (really guys?)...........the point of posting this question wasn't for you to ask me what I would do with other codices, the point was to find out opinions on what others thought about which played like BT and why.

I'll go elsewhere and ask, thank you for your time.

Play them as Blood Angels. I hear that they are the best.

Come on.. Codex Hopping = Thumbs down. Show a little faith in your little plastic space men.

Da-Rock wrote:I'm starting to worry about the posters at Dakka..............................

"I like playing BT with their codex, but it has been bland as of late"

If you find the Codex bland, play something else? No one's stopping you, it just won't be Black Templars, and plenty of people will despise you for jumping Codex.

Da-Rock wrote:I think I over estimated asking at Dakka. I have played Black Templars since 3rd edition and I am aware that the Black Templar codex plays them the best (really guys?)...........the point of posting this question wasn't for you to ask me what I would do with other codices, the point was to find out opinions on what others thought about which played like BT and why.

I'll go elsewhere and ask, thank you for your time.

You got an answer deserving of the question you posed
Nothing represents Black Templar better than the current Black templar codex
Nothing plays like them and this is a thinly veiled attempt to jump to the next powerful codex and you know it

You got the answer
Don't like it?
To bad

Asuron wrote:

Da-Rock wrote:I think I over estimated asking at Dakka. I have played Black Templars since 3rd edition and I am aware that the Black Templar codex plays them the best (really guys?)...........the point of posting this question wasn't for you to ask me what I would do with other codices, the point was to find out opinions on what others thought about which played like BT and why.

I'll go elsewhere and ask, thank you for your time.

You got an answer deserving of the question you posed
Nothing represents Black Templar better than the current Black templar codex
Nothing plays like them and this is a thinly veiled attempt to jump to the next powerful codex and you know it

You got the answer
Don't like it?
To bad

ahhh, I love your kind..........I didn't realize you knew me so well, uh Bob is it? Frank or Joe......oh that's right I have no idea who you are. I made it simple and as straight forward in my post as possible. The Poll title got chopped, but I figured most people on Forums can read. I stated I like playing my Black Templar codex, but it was getting a little bland.

I play Tau, Black Templar and IG and play at a shop that doesn't have many "A" Clowns running around so we don't do the tournament scene. In fact 95% of the games are doubles matches. I couldn't care less about power builds as I stated. Cheese is for you and all the other "Winning" Charlie Sheen posters.

You got a post you didn't like
too bad

Da-Rock wrote:

Asuron wrote:

Da-Rock wrote:I think I over estimated asking at Dakka. I have played Black Templars since 3rd edition and I am aware that the Black Templar codex plays them the best (really guys?)...........the point of posting this question wasn't for you to ask me what I would do with other codices, the point was to find out opinions on what others thought about which played like BT and why.

I'll go elsewhere and ask, thank you for your time.

You got an answer deserving of the question you posed
Nothing represents Black Templar better than the current Black templar codex
Nothing plays like them and this is a thinly veiled attempt to jump to the next powerful codex and you know it

You got the answer
Don't like it?
To bad

How are you going to accuse him of being a power gamer.... after you post some weak "justify my desire to powergame" thread, and he calls you out on it?

I already told you bro. Clearly you are looking for Blood Angels. Everyone is doing it.


ahhh, I love your kind..........I didn't realize you knew me so well, uh Bob is it? Frank or Joe......oh that's right I have no idea who you are. I made it simple and as straight forward in my post as possible. The Poll title got chopped, but I figured most people on Forums can read. I stated I like playing my Black Templar codex, but it was getting a little bland.

I play Tau, Black Templar and IG and play at a shop that doesn't have many "A" Clowns running around so we don't do the tournament scene. In fact 95% of the games are doubles matches. I couldn't care less about power builds as I stated. Cheese is for you and all the other "Winning" Charlie Sheen posters.

You got a post you didn't like
too bad

Da-Rock wrote:

Asuron wrote:

Da-Rock wrote:I think I over estimated asking at Dakka. I have played Black Templars since 3rd edition and I am aware that the Black Templar codex plays them the best (really guys?)...........the point of posting this question wasn't for you to ask me what I would do with other codices, the point was to find out opinions on what others thought about which played like BT and why.

I'll go elsewhere and ask, thank you for your time.

You got an answer deserving of the question you posed
Nothing represents Black Templar better than the current Black templar codex
Nothing plays like them and this is a thinly veiled attempt to jump to the next powerful codex and you know it

You got the answer
Don't like it?
To bad

Break it up, break it up!


ahhh, I love your kind..........I didn't realize you knew me so well, uh Bob is it? Frank or Joe......oh that's right I have no idea who you are. I made it simple and as straight forward in my post as possible. The Poll title got chopped, but I figured most people on Forums can read. I stated I like playing my Black Templar codex, but it was getting a little bland.

I play Tau, Black Templar and IG and play at a shop that doesn't have many "A" Clowns running around so we don't do the tournament scene. In fact 95% of the games are doubles matches. I couldn't care less about power builds as I stated. Cheese is for you and all the other "Winning" Charlie Sheen posters.

You got a post you didn't like
too bad

Da-Rock wrote:

Asuron wrote:

Da-Rock wrote:I think I over estimated asking at Dakka. I have played Black Templars since 3rd edition and I am aware that the Black Templar codex plays them the best (really guys?)...........the point of posting this question wasn't for you to ask me what I would do with other codices, the point was to find out opinions on what others thought about which played like BT and why.

I'll go elsewhere and ask, thank you for your time.

You got an answer deserving of the question you posed
Nothing represents Black Templar better than the current Black templar codex
Nothing plays like them and this is a thinly veiled attempt to jump to the next powerful codex and you know it

You got the answer
Don't like it?
To bad

ahhh, I love your kind..........I didn't realize you knew me so well, uh Bob is it? Frank or Joe......oh that's right I have no idea who you are. I made it simple and as straight forward in my post as possible. The Poll title got chopped, but I figured most people on Forums can read. I stated I like playing my Black Templar codex, but it was getting a little bland.

I play Tau, Black Templar and IG and play at a shop that doesn't have many "A" Clowns running around so we don't do the tournament scene. In fact 95% of the games are doubles matches. I couldn't care less about power builds as I stated. Cheese is for you and all the other "Winning" Charlie Sheen posters.

You got a post you didn't like
too bad

Your right I didn't like it
I also expressed my opinion of why I didn't like it

I also gave you an answer as to why nothing represents Black Templar better than they do, while also pointing out that Grey Knights do nothing at all to represent them better, with the same applying to other codexes
Same with the people above

You didn't like the answer, so what do you do?
You proceed to insult people and how they apparentlly can't read and then insulted the Dakka community
But no, by all means do try to take the moral high ground here
Clearly your in the right

Do whatever you want, just don't expect people to fart sunshine if you say things they don't like

Your right I didn't like it
I also expressed my opinion of why I didn't like it

I also gave you an answer as to why nothing represents Black Templar better than they do, while also pointing out that Grey Knights do nothing at all to represent them better, with the same applying to other codexes
Same with the people above

You didn't like the answer, so what do you do?
You proceed to insult people and how they apparentlly can't read and then insulted the Dakka community
But no, by all means do try to take the moral high ground here
Clearly your in the right

Do whatever you want, just don't expect people to fart sunshine if you say things they don't like

Who exactly did I insult? My reference to Dakka was narrowed to those who had posted responses like, "The Black Templars best represent Black Templars" = Really they do? Holy Crap I can't believe I missed that!

Moral High ground? Does it sound like I am taking the moral high ground? If I had, I would have acted my age and not responded at all. My responses are what happens when you work Graveyard on a slow night.

No one gave me anything specific about army styles other then = Play this or play Black Templars because they play like Black Templars. I guess its hard to believe that would irk someone.

Da-Rock wrote:
No one gave me anything specific about army styles other then = Play this or play Black Templars because they play like Black Templars. I guess its hard to believe that would irk someone.

Actually....

KorPhaeron77 wrote:Have to agree with Ronin on this one. Black Templars having a decent, semi competetive codex so I can't think why you would use another. There really isn't a lot in the other codices that represents their unique organisation, just be patient, the new FAQ should get you by until they eventually get round to releasing a new codex. As a side note, you'd be crazy to use the chaos codex to represent them, it does a bad job of representing half the chaos legions let alone loyalist ones.

I agree with it, too.

You ask which Codex represents the Black Templars the best and you have "other" as option in your poll, what do you expect us to answer?


Anyhow, to be a bit more helpful, in my opinion there's no other Codex that really works. As the Templars disregard the Codex Astartes, there's loads of stuff that just doesn't cut it. For starters, no sergeants. No devastators. No companies. No librarians. No scout squads. The problem with the Blood Angels is that they emphasize jump infantry, while the Space Wolves emphasize short-range shooting followed by a wipe-out charge. The Templars favour (this is all fluff-wise BTW) either orbital insertions straight into the fray or a large armoured spearhead. The closest you'd get is Blood Angels with assault marines riding in LRCs, but it's not the same thing without the neophytes. You'd have no good substitute for the Emperor's Champion. If we look at drop pod lists, the current BT Codex already does that better than anyone else, thanks to the old Drop Pod rules. Thus, my answer is "nothing like the Black Templars to represent the Black Templars".

Wow, really? Da-Rock wants to change something because he was playing one codex for 3 years. His favourite chapter is BT so he still wants to play them but with different rules.

A simple question like: what codex (but not BT) is closest to BT and the answer is apparently still BT.. So what they won't be 100% accurate.. He wants to change something. He's aware that other codex won't be as good. At least not in representing BT tactics. That's not the point why he changes the codex. The most important thing is *the change*. But he still wants it to be kinda close to BT. Really Dakka? How come so many people ignore one of the most important words in the game. F U N. It's in OP too. So hard to just read what he ment instead of nitpick?

My guess would be the closest is BA but I'm no MEQ player.
EDIT: tags

To answer the question it would ahve to be Blood Angels, mass death company to represent the HOLY RAEG! of the templars, I've done that before. Either that or ASMs in rhinos which is also very templar.

Macok wrote:Wow, really? Da-Rock wants to change something because he was playing one codex for 3 years. His favourite chapter is BT so he still wants to play them but with different rules.

A simple question like: what codex (but not BT) is closest to BT and the answer is apparently still BT.. So what they won't be 100% accurate.. He wants to change something. He's aware that other codex won't be as good. At least not in representing BT tactics. That's not the point why he changes the codex. The most important thing is *the change*. But he still wants it to be kinda close to BT. Really Dakka? How come so many people ignore one of the most important words in the game. F U N. It's in OP too. So hard to just read what he ment instead of nitpick?

My guess would be the closest is BA but I'm no MEQ player.
EDIT: tags

You know I might've thought that if the next sentence didn't involve him suggesting the change being GK
Exactly how are the two similar enough to represent that? In both playstyle and in fluff

... wtf? didn't want to post ;/

It seems pretty obvious that the OP just wants to try one of the new SM codex but is in fear of being called Cheese for running his BTs as them.

The other posters did ignore your initial question it seems, but they do have a point. If you are trying to run another SM army as the BTs for the sake of representing them, then there's little we can help you with. If you just want to try another army because you're bored with BT, just do it. Especially if you dont play competitively, no one is really gonna care unless you try to justify it.

In the context of a new army to freshen things up, I'd second Blood Angels. The model requirements dont need you to go out and buy a bunch of models you'll likely never incorporate back into your BTs and there are some decent CC builds.

I agree with the 'codex: Black templars = Black templars' sentiment but also with most of what Mecha emperor says.

Now I have some info to work with. I own all of the Marine codices in the poll minus Space Wolves and Blood Angels hence me wondering what it would be like before I go to my local shop and buy the codex.

I have never tried a full Black Templar Drop Pod army, so I may try that first - (I don't own any drop pods, but I did cut off 5 tops to some small fence posts and sprayed them black. I think I will need more then 5)

You could also try a Khorne-based CSM army. Berserkers are one of the better CSM Cult Troopers and Kharn is one of the best characters in the book, bar perhaps the Lash Prince/Sorc.

If you actually want a different experience, use Codex Orks to represent them.