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Also, what kind of jump packs are we referring to? There's actually civilian models as well as sororitas and astartes versions.

The only ones anyone cares about, the Astartes version.

Catyrpelius wrote:the Astartes version.

In that case, I don't care.

I Win!

The Jet pack t-73. closest and most efficient I could find. Or the springtail exo-skeleton seen here.

Only comparable thing I think.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.trekaero.com/Springtail/Trek_Springtail_Specifications.jpg&imgrefurl=http://theintrepid.blogspot.com/2008/11/when-do-i-get-my-jetpack.html&h=1196&w=1136&sz=456&tbnid=WW_8fLiqfOJgWM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJet%2Bpack%2BT-73&zoom=1&q=Jet+pack+T-73&hl=en&usg=__i_0JN50pvWIL7g8u8Cb5QNCamwM=&sa=X&ei=X5XRTLO7PIO8lQf-7pT9DA&ved=0CCwQ9QEwBQ

Im not sure what your space marines fly around on, but the packs on my plastic men look nothing like that.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1252489_99120101034_SMAssaultSqdmain_873x627.jpg

Viewed from the side, I Can see why he said that. Mind you, these are obviously more advanced than that.

Really, i'm not seeing it.

aka_mythos wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Crantor wrote:Melissa: Modern body armour incorporates kevlar plating over vital areas. No knife is getting through that. And 600m is the effective range for a section of infantry soldiers. 300-400m as individuals.

There is a reason why we don`t use swords and lances anymore. You just don't win against people with guns.

unfortunately as someone else said, kevlar is defeated by the humble knife (good knives but still knives) 100 something pounds going into a thrust at the tip of a knife just cuts right though the stuff. The problem is actually getting into knife range. Dragon skin however stops both. But it's only good as a civilian/police vest. if it ever hits 150 Degrees F it permanently fails.

Just to add to that... do you know what they use to cut kevlar when they make things out of it? Scissors. A knife is better than that.

Keep in mind Civilian/police grade vest are Only TypeII basllistice vests which protects against 9mm, .22s, a soft-tipped .357, but none of the higher calibers just as 5.56 or .308

Military Grade armor is Ultra-Tight woven and contains ceramic plating in major areas (chest, back, groid, neck, stomach, lowerback) to help defend against anything from Ice-Picks, to Knives, to Shrapnel, to most rifle rounds as well. (pulled that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest)

Though all of the above would do diddly squat from a .50 Barret Sniperifle (or an intervention for that matter) which uses rounds desinged to peirce modern tank armor. And if it can stop the best .50 round out their, our current armor would last a fething chance against the worst .75 caseless bolter round, and given that Space marine power armor can stop one of these rounds half the time, as far as small arms go, we dont have anything to beat them. WE'd have to arm all of an army with rocket-launchers to beat that.



On the subject of chainswords and whatnot, i bring out my dear friend; the Lancer from Gears of War.

wait scratch that, how about an Ar-15 with a chainsaw attatchment?


though getting through 40K would be near impossible, unless you line the teeth in the saw with industrial-grade diamond

We've moved on to Jet packs now. Chainsaws are soooooooo 5 minutes ago.

Catyrpelius wrote:We've moved on to Jet packs now. Chainsaws are soooooooo 5 minutes ago.

CURSE MY SLOW TYPING SKILLS!

on the subject of jump jets, give the guy below a few melta-bombs to drop. . . and we have a more viable one-man infantryman thats more mobile then curret spacemarine jump-jets.




Though based on gameplay in Dawn of war II, im under the impression it was just made for a really big "hop" of sorts to get up/down cliffs or on/off transports. So this flight-suit maybe waaaay out of the scope of space-marine packs, and more akin to the Battle Suits employed by Tau

Catyrpelius wrote:Im not sure what your space marines fly around on, but the packs on my plastic men look nothing like that.

Ok, I thought the thread was about modern comparisons? key word here is comparisons.

So if we are going by what your little plastic men look like when they fly around in your hand while you make whooshing noises then yeah I guess we can make no comparisons at all. In fact nothing in the 40K universe that`s worth mentioning is comparable.

Anidem wrote:Though based on gameplay in Dawn of war II, im under the impression it was just made for a really big "hop" of sorts to get up/down cliffs or on/off transports. So this flight-suit maybe waaaay out of the scope of space-marine packs, and more akin to the Battle Suits employed by Tau

Thats how I always saw it, that and slowing a decent from a plane or orbital drop.

Melissia wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1252489_99120101034_SMAssaultSqdmain_873x627.jpg

Viewed from the side, I Can see why he said that. Mind you, these are obviously more advanced than that.

You know the packs fairly accomodating maybe they have a small anti grav ening in there, and the jets are just for forward thrust.

Crantor wrote:

Catyrpelius wrote:Im not sure what your space marines fly around on, but the packs on my plastic men look nothing like that.

Ok, I thought the thread was about modern comparisons? key word here is comparisons.

So if we are going by what your little plastic men look like when they fly around in your hand while you make whooshing noises then yeah I guess we can make no comparisons at all. In fact nothing in the 40K universe that`s worth mentioning is comparable.

Have you seen a Space Marine jump pack?



How is that anything like yours, other then the fact that both move a person. Its like saying a helicopter is the same thing as a Valtyre

Though all of the above would do diddly squat from a .50 Barret Sniperifle (or an intervention for that matter) which uses rounds desinged to peirce modern tank armor.

No, a barret .50bmg will not defeat modern tank armor, IFV's and APC's and other LIGHT vehicles yes.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Melissia wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1252489_99120101034_SMAssaultSqdmain_873x627.jpg

Viewed from the side, I Can see why he said that. Mind you, these are obviously more advanced than that.

You know the packs fairly accomodating maybe they have a small anti grav ening in there, and the jets are just for forward thrust.

Its possible, although all of the fluff I've read makes it sounds more like an actualy jet pack. There has been very little written about the actual jump packs.

Anidem wrote:

Catyrpelius wrote:We've moved on to Jet packs now. Chainsaws are soooooooo 5 minutes ago.

CURSE MY SLOW TYPING SKILLS!

on the subject of jump jets, give the guy below a few melta-bombs to drop. . . and we have a more viable one-man infantryman thats more mobile then curret spacemarine jump-jets.




Though based on gameplay in Dawn of war II, im under the impression it was just made for a really big "hop" of sorts to get up/down cliffs or on/off transports. So this flight-suit maybe waaaay out of the scope of space-marine packs, and more akin to the Battle Suits employed by Tau

Fething awesome

gendoikari87 wrote:

Though all of the above would do diddly squat from a .50 Barret Sniperifle (or an intervention for that matter) which uses rounds desinged to peirce modern tank armor.

No, a barret .50bmg will not defeat modern tank armor, IFV's and APC's and other LIGHT vehicles yes.

Depends on the round used, there are some wicked .50 Cal Depleted Uranium Sabot rounds out there.

Catyrpelius wrote:Depends on the round used, there are some wicked .50 Cal Depleted Uranium Sabot rounds out there.

Oh, it seems we have something that is akin to the Bolter round after all. though i doubt we'd ever be able to use it in a pistol, let alone a carbine

also



There are real jet packs there were just shot down as militarily effective..... now wheres my shotgun?

Anidem wrote: on the subject of jump jets, give the guy below a few melta-bombs to drop. . . and we have a more viable one-man infantryman thats more mobile then curret spacemarine jump-jets.




Though based on gameplay in Dawn of war II, im under the impression it was just made for a really big "hop" of sorts to get up/down cliffs or on/off transports. So this flight-suit maybe waaaay out of the scope of space-marine packs, and more akin to the Battle Suits employed by Tau

That reminds me of this

Catyrpelius wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Though all of the above would do diddly squat from a .50 Barret Sniperifle (or an intervention for that matter) which uses rounds desinged to peirce modern tank armor.

No, a barret .50bmg will not defeat modern tank armor, IFV's and APC's and other LIGHT vehicles yes.

Depends on the round used, there are some wicked .50 Cal Depleted Uranium Sabot rounds out there.

Still won't cut trough modern TANK armor. M1 and challenger and the likes with chobham armor. and reactive armor.

gendoikari87 wrote:also



There are real jet packs there were just shot down as militarily effective..... now wheres my shotgun?

Thats closer, thats the one that usues Hydrogen Peroxide and something else, right?

YUP

gendoikari87 wrote:

Catyrpelius wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Though all of the above would do diddly squat from a .50 Barret Sniperifle (or an intervention for that matter) which uses rounds desinged to peirce modern tank armor.

No, a barret .50bmg will not defeat modern tank armor, IFV's and APC's and other LIGHT vehicles yes.

Depends on the round used, there are some wicked .50 Cal Depleted Uranium Sabot rounds out there.

Still won't cut trough modern TANK armor. M1 and challenger and the likes with chobham armor. and reactive armor.

Not through the front armor, but it sure will through the side and the turret. There are very few things that will penetrate the front armor of some tanks. We just gained the ability to defeat the front armor on an Abrams tank reliably recently.

reckon wouldnt be much fuel for extended use

If I remember right, it contained enough fuel for a few minutes of flight or considerrably more if you used it to "hop"

Catyrpelius wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Catyrpelius wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Though all of the above would do diddly squat from a .50 Barret Sniperifle (or an intervention for that matter) which uses rounds desinged to peirce modern tank armor.

No, a barret .50bmg will not defeat modern tank armor, IFV's and APC's and other LIGHT vehicles yes.

Depends on the round used, there are some wicked .50 Cal Depleted Uranium Sabot rounds out there.

Still won't cut trough modern TANK armor. M1 and challenger and the likes with chobham armor. and reactive armor.

Not through the front armor, but it sure will through the side and the turret. There are very few things that will penetrate the front armor of some tanks. We just gained the ability to defeat the front armor on an Abrams tank reliably recently.

not sure about the sides I'm sure you could find some weak spots but the best bet would be to go for the tracks. and we've had the ability to defeat the front armor for a while Tandem warheads do quite easily. if it wasn't for the reactive armor a simple RPG-7 would make short work of an abrams. <-- not 100% on that as Its been a while since I looked up the armor equivalents of the abrams and the penetration capabilities of the RPG-7 and it's probably close. Chobham armor as a ceramic does a good job at stopping HEAT better than similar strength steel. but the bigger HEAT rounds are definately going to defeate it save for the reactive armor.


also Javelin kills everything dead quick.


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And then theres this:



Worlds first Sabot Rifle, I have NO idea as to the armor penetration capabilities of this thing, but it's cool.

Catyrpelius wrote:
Have you seen a Space Marine jump pack?

Yeah, thanks for that Tips.

I know what it looks like. Like I said we are comparing things from one universe to this one. If we are talking capabilities (which I thought was the purpose) then yeah the T-73 or the exoskeleton may be the closest thing.

Also have you seen Rogue Trader versions of jump packs? They look like turbo props, hensce the exo skeleton version included.