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The problem is, this is just like my communicating with "Jeff" and "Damien". Super-frequent responses, a million small things that just don't add up, and the inability to provide the easy thing that would prove them to be genuine. By themselves, none of these showed anything... but together, it showed I was dealing with a fake.

You have a webcam, you Just took pictures of a pile of invoices and the edge of a card. But you can't take a picture of the ID that you said you'd send. You won't take a picture of yourself holding any of the other items you already pictured. You won't even take a clear picture of a single invoice so that the information on it is visible.

You say later today your son will be home (I guess he lives with you, but went to the church that you skipped to deal with this?) and will take a picture of you holding the ID with a digital camera. But you could easily do so with your webcam now. The fact that you won't makes it so that even if you somehow did this later, I'd have to wonder about it... why not just take a blurry photo now?

The fact that you won't do so for Any of the items that could indicate more trustworthily that you are telling the truth is the problem... what else am I supposed to think? Again, I had the exact same interaction with "Jeff" and "Damien", and I never did get any proof... because in that case, there wasn't any to give.

Why not take a quick shot with the web cam right now, to be verified by your digital cam shot later, and prove me wrong? The fact that you won't (after volunteering to send these things, and saying you just took the pics of them with your web cam) is telling...

Lord.Serpius wrote:

Alfndrate wrote:Not to sound antagonistic, but most states in the US have that "shiny" film over them to provide a level of watermarking. My Ohio driver's license has the same film, and I just took a picture of it. I'm editing it right now to block out any and all personal information but my first name (so DL number, issue number, last name, and address.).

0 glare and flash.

Serpius, I'm not calling you, but I'm just saying the glare on a DL doesn't come into play unless you're using the flash on your camera.

Or when im using a crappy webcam.

Please, no one needs to chime in. RiTides is getting everything he wants and then after that I want to be removed from this god awful thread.

Just skype him and talk to him face to face, I've met RiTides a few times and he's a very nice chap, quiet and well spoken. One brief conversation would certainly aid your cause, I'm sure you're eager to distance yourself from any association or notion of association to that thieving bastard Bonder...

That's a good idea- I'll PM you my phone number and you can call me right now instead of taking a web cam shot of any of those items, and that would also be quite convincing... I've heard Matthew Bonder on the phone and would easily be able to tell the difference.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Lord.Serpius wrote:

Alfndrate wrote:Not to sound antagonistic, but most states in the US have that "shiny" film over them to provide a level of watermarking. My Ohio driver's license has the same film, and I just took a picture of it. I'm editing it right now to block out any and all personal information but my first name (so DL number, issue number, last name, and address.).

0 glare and flash.

Serpius, I'm not calling you, but I'm just saying the glare on a DL doesn't come into play unless you're using the flash on your camera.

Or when im using a crappy webcam.

Please, no one needs to chime in. RiTides is getting everything he wants and then after that I want to be removed from this god awful thread.

Just skype him and talk to him face to face, I've met RiTides a few times and he's a very nice chap, quiet and well spoken. One brief conversation would certainly aid your cause, I'm sure you're eager to distance yourself from any association or notion of association to that thieving bastard Bonder...

This by far sounds like the best, and quickest way to resolve all of this, and while I'm not a pro photographer, my camera did this (note the lack of glare)

IMAGE REMOVED DUE TO LACK OF PURPOSE

RiTides wrote:The problem is, this is just like my communicating with "Jeff" and "Damien". Super-frequent responses, a million small things that just don't add up, and the inability to provide the easy thing that would prove them to be genuine. By themselves, none of these showed anything... but together, it showed I was dealing with a fake.

You have a webcam, you Just took pictures of a pile of invoices and the edge of a card. But you can't take a picture of the ID that you said you'd send. You won't take a picture of yourself holding any of the other items you already pictured. You won't even take a clear picture of a single invoice so that the information on it is visible.

You say later today your son will be home (I guess he lives with you, but went to the church that you skipped to deal with this?) and will take a picture of you holding the ID with a digital camera. But you could easily do so with your webcam now. The fact that you won't makes it so that even if you somehow did this later, I'd have to wonder about it... why not just take a blurry photo now?

The fact that you won't do so for Any of the items that could indicate more trustworthily that you are telling the truth is the problem... what else am I supposed to think? Again, I had the exact same interaction with "Jeff" and "Damien", and I never did get any proof... because in that case, there wasn't any to give.

Why not take a quick shot with the web cam right now, to be verified by your digital cam shot later, and prove me wrong? The fact that you won't (after volunteering to send these things, and saying you just took the pics of them with your web cam) is telling...

WE talked about me sending the ID tomorrow, not today. Stop saying im avoiding it when ive clearly sent you now 5 items of proof. Ones I'm posting here right now.

Before I do I will say this. Ive given in to everything youve asked and offered even more. You are now turning this around on me like i've broken a law by by not wanting my personal picture taken. So enjoy this proof and my ID later like WE agreed on, tomorrow.

Invoices, over 20 to prove Im not a recaster as RiTides felt the need to ask about.



First screen shot that shows my name and address for ebay billing and shipping. RiTides said it can be photo shopped.



So I took this one that Can NOT be photo shopped.



And proof that's my name, my card, and even its blurry as heck and its not even coated like my ID, which I will still send to RiTides later as he and I discussed before he started with the above post saying I'm avoiding it.








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RiTides wrote:That's a good idea- I'll PM you my phone number and you can call me right now instead of taking a web cam shot of any of those items, and that would also be quite convincing... I've heard Matthew Bonder on the phone and would easily be able to tell the difference.

Ok let me get this straight, to prove im not a thief and scammer, even when my feedback shows im not. All my proof shows im not, and even a picture ID with ME holding it isnt good enough anymore? Now I have to call? Ok I will. And I wont be happy about it. I have your number and will call you this evening.

And let me guess, after I call you still want the ID picture as well?

You guys are crazy thinking I'm him.

Not only can all of the images be photoshopped (they are image files after all), they also can be changed via inspecting the element of the webpage. I could change my ebay account info to match yours, take a screenshot of it, and then upload it to photobucket. That is a lot of hassle, but it can be done. In fact a popular youtube video game commentator did a video on this several months back.


Edit: I would also like to mention MGS's Skype idea will solve ALL OF THIS. Because it provides video AND voice.

The phone call should be enough? Matthew Bonder isn't a woman, after all.

You're delaying! You can call me Right Now, you're posting here aren't you?

You could take a picture of your ID, even if it's blurry, a single invoice showing your information, or any of the items already shown with you holding them. I gave you all those options, not just one... and now I'm saying you can call me right now, too.

The fact that you won't, as I said, is very telling...

The reason I'm asking for a cam shot of your ID now is that you insist you tried to take one and it didn't come out, yet you won't send it. You said you'd send it in this line from PM:

Lord.Serpius wrote: I will go take the screen shot of my personal info page and address's on ebay as well as a cam shot of my ID and my FW invoices. I can scan my ID for a better image if this doesn't come out clear tomorrow like we discussed but this stuff seriously should at least ease your mind.

A phone call, or a picture of any of the things I laid out above, done Right Now would lay all my concerns to rest. What possible reason could you have for not wanting to do any of it, when you continue to post and defend yourself? The most obvious reason is that you can't...

Alfndrate wrote:Not only can all of the images be photoshopped (they are image files after all), they also can be changed via inspecting the element of the webpage. I could change my ebay account info to match yours, take a screenshot of it, and then upload it to photobucket. That is a lot of hassle, but it can be done. In fact a popular youtube video game commentator did a video on this several months back.

Well im 57 and have no idea how to do any of that.

Like ive said countless times now, I will send RiTides a picture of me holding my ID. He and I agreed TOMORROW and now hes claiming im avoiding it.

I already see how this will play out. I will send the ID, along with all this other stuff, and even call him. After I do, my link here wont get removed and ill still be told I'm Mr Bonder, just like every person in this thread that has mentioned him in a non negative way. This is crazy.

A phone call would be good as if you're not comfortable showing your face, I think RiTides can tell the difference between a man and a woman over the phone.

I would point out that one concern is that Matt could be hiding behind his mother's identify.

I posted the PM above where you said you'd take a web cam shot of it. You said you tried and it didn't come out, but didn't share the picture. And now I've given you my phone number so you can call me.

I've heard Matthew Bonder on the phone and could verify in a few seconds that you aren't him. Why not stop posting here and call me right now and prove it? As MGS says, I'm really not hard to talk to...

Howard A Treesong wrote:A phone call would be good as if you're not comfortable showing your face, I think RiTides can tell the difference between a man and a woman over the phone.

I would point out that one concern is that Matt could be hiding behind his mother's identify.

SEE! I knew one of you would say that. No matter what I prove, you people will always say either im him or now, that I'm his mother???

Ive got from mad to plain angry over this. Stop accusing me of ANYTHING!

Just jumping in quick. eBay doesn't ask for a drivers license, but paypal does.

Call me right now, and it'll prove you're not, Lord.Serpius... why won't you respond to that? What possible reason could you have for not calling me, if you're that concerned about the things raised in this thread affecting your ebay business?

RiTides wrote:I posted the PM above where you said you'd take a web cam shot of it. You said you tried and it didn't come out, but didn't share the picture. And now I've given you my phone number so you can call me.

I've heard Matthew Bonder on the phone and could verify in a few seconds that you aren't him. Why not stop posting here and call me right now and prove it? As MGS says, I'm really not hard to talk to...

I will call you tonight like I said. Reason: Im so mad right now I will end up telling you off. Even ebay or paypal didn't give me so much trouble about proving who I am.


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inquisitorlewis wrote:Just jumping in quick. eBay doesn't ask for a drivers license, but paypal does.

Wrong. You are plain wrong. Want me to forward the email from ebay request it to lift my limits?

If you tell me off, that's OK... I just want to hear the sound of your voice. If the things raised in the last few pages of this thread are totally wrong, I deserve it.

Seriously, call me up and tell me off and I won't begrudge you it... as long as you do so right now.

You took the trouble to take web cam pics of your info, but can't provide one that is convincing... but a phone call would do it. Again, the fact that you won't do so is telling... indicating that, as far as the simplest explanation goes and therefore the most likely, you can't...

I don't know if this will help, but when I sent her money for purchasing bits from her store, her paypal name was Susan. Not sure if you can fake that or not.

Howard A Treesong wrote:A phone call would be good as if you're not comfortable showing your face, I think RiTides can tell the difference between a man and a woman over the phone.

I would point out that one concern is that Matt could be hiding behind his mother's identify.

That's my concern- and that's why providing the evidence right now (either a phone call or web cam shot of any of the things listed) would put all doubts to rest.

Otherwise, it's entirely possible there is a woman that could provide these things... but it might not be the person typing right now. Since you can put these things to rest so easily at this moment, why not do so?

Edit: Sekai, see above. There could really be a Susan involved, perhaps a relative, but is that the person typing right now? The only way to know that is any of the things I laid out, none of which have been provided... and I can't think of a single valid reason Not to provide one of them, given all the trouble Lord.Serpius is going through to refute the questions raised at this moment.

This is a crock of gak, why do you need till evening? Pick up the bloody phone.

Sekai wrote:I don't know if this will help, but when I sent her money for purchasing bits from her store, her paypal name was Susan. Not sure if you can fake that or not.

No, you cant. I had to send them literally 3 forms of ID including my ID, my divorce papers and my SS card.

This site and this thread is nothing but a mob after Mr Bonder and as always, they think anyone and everyone is him.

RiTides I will call you. At this point stop calling me out. We made an agreement and you are changing it and then demanding I do somethign right now. I will call you tonight plain and simple.

As for more proof, send my paypal account 5 cents and you can see ALL my personal info. Do it. Do it right now.

Lord.Serpius wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:A phone call would be good as if you're not comfortable showing your face, I think RiTides can tell the difference between a man and a woman over the phone.

I would point out that one concern is that Matt could be hiding behind his mother's identify.

SEE! I knew one of you would say that. No matter what I prove, you people will always say either im him or now, that I'm his mother???

Ive got from mad to plain angry over this. Stop accusing me of ANYTHING!

I think you misconstrued what I said - I don't think you are his mother. I'm saying he could produce a relative's documentation. Seeing as you say you are uncomfortable sending people pictures of yourself, a phonecall sounds reasonable.

I mean how can you get a webcam to take pictures of everything at short notice but yourself? All we are interested in is whether the person typing to us is a 57 year old woman. Only RiTides has to see those pictures.

That's the problem, Lord.Serpius- I believe Sekai when he says the Paypal account name is Susan. But if YOU are Susan, why not call me?

Why not take a better web cam pic of one of the invoices? Why not take a blurry web cam pic of your ID? Why not take a web cam pic of yourself with any of the items previously pictured?

It'd be so easy to prove that you're genuine, yet you won't do it... which, seemingly, indicates that you can't... why not call me right now and prove me wrong?

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Lord.Serpius wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:A phone call would be good as if you're not comfortable showing your face, I think RiTides can tell the difference between a man and a woman over the phone.

I would point out that one concern is that Matt could be hiding behind his mother's identify.

SEE! I knew one of you would say that. No matter what I prove, you people will always say either im him or now, that I'm his mother???

Ive got from mad to plain angry over this. Stop accusing me of ANYTHING!

I think you misconstrued what I said - I don't think you are his mother. I'm saying he could produce a relative's documentation. Seeing as you say you are uncomfortable sending people pictures of yourself, a phonecall sounds reasonable.

My mistake. But again, your wrong. I only looked at this thread because hes in Dallas too.

RiTides wrote:That's the problem, Lord.Serpius- I believe Sekai when he says the Paypal account name is Susan. But if YOU are Susan, why not call me?

Why not take a better web cam pic of one of the invoices? Why not take a blurry web cam pic of your ID? Why not take a web cam pic of yourself with any of the items previously pictured?

It'd be so easy to prove that you're genuine, yet you won't do it... which, seemingly, indicates that you can't... why not call me right now and prove me wrong?

I PMed you the reason why and since its personal, you can go ahead and keep it to yourself. I will call you, I will also take the pictures with a clear digital camera with me and my ID side by side. After that, this better be dropped. I'm getting really frustrated by it all.

I can't honor your request that I not share the reason- it's just too far out there. I'm not going to be tricked into not pursuing the truth out of pity and thus not finding out what's really going on. You sent me this:

Lord.Serpius wrote:Because I will call you tonight. Stop ordering me around when ive been very understanding about all of this even when my store is being dragged in the mud because of a guy that lives in the same city as me? 1.3 million people live here.

Fine you want the truth, and i swear to god you better not post this. I share a phone with my son and hes not home. He will be back this evening. Cold hard fact for you one id like you to not share as its embarrassing.

If this were true, and I Really cannot believe that you don't have access to a phone in this day and age, you would have said so before now. Again, I'm not buying the pity excuse.

You have a web cam, and you could take a picture of yourself with any of the items that you Already took a picture of, if you wanted to prove things and didn't have a phone. I'm not buying it... right now, the only thing I can conclude is that you cannot provide proof because you are not who you say you are, but whoever Susan really is will be back later. That's not good enough... if you want to prove it, you could do any number of things now, and you won't.

RiTides wrote:I can't honor your request that I not share the reason- it's just too far out there. I'm not going to be tricked into not pursuing the truth out of pity and thus not finding out what's really going on. You sent me this:

Lord.Serpius wrote:Because I will call you tonight. Stop ordering me around when ive been very understanding about all of this even when my store is being dragged in the mud because of a guy that lives in the same city as me? 1.3 million people live here.

Fine you want the truth, and i swear to god you better not post this. I share a phone with my son and hes not home. He will be back this evening. Cold hard fact for you one id like you to not share as its embarrassing.

If this were true, and I Really cannot believe that you don't have access to a phone in this day and age, you would have said so before now. Again, I'm not buying the pity excuse.

You have a web cam, and you could take a picture of yourself with any of the items that you Already took a picture of, if you wanted to prove things and didn't have a phone. I'm not buying it... right now, the only thing I can conclude is that you cannot provide proof because you are not who you say you are, but whoever Susan really is will be back later. That's not good enough... if you want to prove it, you could do any number of things now, and you won't.

How dare you post something private like that. I dont care if you believe me or not at this point. I WILL be calling you tonight and you will get a huge piece of my mind.

In the PMs we talked I provided ALL the items I asked would be good enough. And each and everytime you said, thats not good enough you want more.

You asked before why I sell stuff for such a low profit? Its because I need the income. Sorry if I didnt want to shout to the world my family can afford 1 phone.

You sir are very much "out there". Your logic is flawed, you have no proof, and even the person that linked my store here, used a link that has NOTHING to do with me.

Again, how dare you.

Not to mention YOU told me to fax you my ID tomorrow. Now you want it right now, a picture of me as well, and me to call. When we agreed that id send the ID tomorrow when your at work via fax. Why did that plan change? Why do you say one thing in PMs and then another here?

Also, this pattern of discrepancies, excuses, and inconclusive evidence "proving" things- we've seen it before. To recap:

Discrepancies:
-You're retired, but you said you were going to work, which turned out to be charity work for a church, then you ended up not going
-Your son was said to be 24 and 13

Excuses:
-Your web cam reflects off your ID so you can't take a picture of it
-You don't want to be photographed because you're a 57 year old woman
-You can't call me because your son has the phone

Inconclusive evidence:
-You took the time to take web cam shots of invoices, but only a pile of them and won't zoom in on one to show the info
-There does seem to be a Susan linked to the ebay and paypal account, but you refuse to do anything to prove that you are that person

This is too much to believe, and fits EXACTLY into the pattern that Matt Bonder uses when cornered.

I think we have a smoking gun IMO, how can it be so hard to take one picture with a web cam.

You can argue the poverty but I'm suprised it would be worthwhile running a business in selling on Forgeworld, of all the business ventures to embark upon to help out with poverty. You were claiming to make bulk orders to save on postage and have dropped $2K on Forgeworld, but can't afford a phone.

One picture, with the webcam, to show RiTides that you are a 57 year old woman typing to us. Because the obvious suspicion is that you are playing for time until presumably someone answering to the name of Susan will take a call for you.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I think we have a smoking gun IMO, how can it be so hard to take one picture with a web cam.

You can argue the poverty but I'm suprised it would be worthwhile running a business in selling on Forgeworld. You were claiming to make bulk orders to save on postage and have dropped $2K on Forgeworld, but can't afford a phone.

One picture, with the webcam, to show RiTides that you are a 57 year old woman typing to us. Because the obvious suspicion is that you are playing for time until presumably someone answering to the name of Susan will take a call for you.

Totally agreed... how can you refute this?

RiTides wrote:Also, this pattern of discrepancies and excuses- we've seen it before. To recap:

Discrepancies:
-You're retired, but you said you were going to work, which turned out to be charity work for a church.
-Your son was said to be 24 and 13.

Excuses:
-Your web cam reflects off your ID so you can't take a picture of it
-You don't want to be photographed because you're a 57 year old woman
-You can't call me because you don't have a phone

This is too much to believe, and fits EXACTLY into the pattern that Matt Bonder uses when cornered.

Oh I'm Mr Bonder again? And you have me cornered?

Are you serious? I don't have to keep proving anything to you or anyone here yet I do. All you have done is prove you care more about getting even with someone I don't even know and in the process hurting my store.

I Charity work is work for me. A typo on a tiny touch screen of 1 and 3 instead of 2 and 4 isnt uncommon.

My cam cant even focus on paper let alone plastic with a gloss coat. No I don't want to have my picture taken to prove to you or anyone anything. That's why I use the internet. And yes, since you felt the need to embarrass me, I share a phone with my son.

None of that has anything to do with the stuff ive read about Mr Bonder. All I see is a serious case of mob mentality going after the wrong person. Good work.


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Howard A Treesong wrote:I think we have a smoking gun IMO, how can it be so hard to take one picture with a web cam.

You can argue the poverty but I'm suprised it would be worthwhile running a business in selling on Forgeworld, of all the business ventures to embark upon to help out with poverty. You were claiming to make bulk orders to save on postage and have dropped $2K on Forgeworld, but can't afford a phone.

One picture, with the webcam, to show RiTides that you are a 57 year old woman typing to us. Because the obvious suspicion is that you are playing for time until presumably someone answering to the name of Susan will take a call for you.

HAHAHA.

2k spent over 6 months. I make 1-2 dollars per part I sell. That's all. Why Have a phone when I can use my sons. I have no one to call. And when I do, I use a internet relay service.

So really, in the end, you guys go do whatever you want. Anyone that buys from my store and doesn't pay or tries to leave me bad feedback based on lies, will be reported to ebay. I will take the time tomorrow to call ebay when I have a phone to use and discuss with them this thread and how you people are claiming i'm someone i'm not. I will also let them know how I already figure you guys will thus attack my store.

Thanks for attacking a 57 year old woman when you should have called the police on Mr Bonder a long time ago and this wouldnt be happening right now.

RiTides, you will still be getting that call and still getting a copy of my ID just so you can prove how right I am and that even with all that you will still not remove my store link which again, has nothing to do with the redit link that guy posted.

Lord.Serpius wrote:

RiTides wrote:I posted the PM above where you said you'd take a web cam shot of it. You said you tried and it didn't come out, but didn't share the picture. And now I've given you my phone number so you can call me.

I've heard Matthew Bonder on the phone and could verify in a few seconds that you aren't him. Why not stop posting here and call me right now and prove it? As MGS says, I'm really not hard to talk to...

I will call you tonight like I said. Reason: Im so mad right now I will end up telling you off. Even ebay or paypal didn't give me so much trouble about proving who I am.


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inquisitorlewis wrote:Just jumping in quick. eBay doesn't ask for a drivers license, but paypal does.

Wrong. You are plain wrong. Want me to forward the email from ebay request it to lift my limits?

Nope. No reason. I actually didn't come in here to bash you (assuming youre not Matt Bonder) I must have been mistaken.