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Oh, and before Manchu and Amaya break out the pitchforks and torches, I just discovered that the ventriloquist's nom de guerre is... uh, well, The Ventriloquist, the dummy's name is Scarface, and they are, in fact, in the comic, and I'll admit they probably are more obscure than Bane and Ra's al Ghul.
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NELS1031 wrote:We all know this isn't the last Batman movie
Brace yourself, but while there will be another Batman film, it will not be related to this trilogy at all, and that has been said since the start. Nolan's little Batman universe isn't a comic book one, where people don't age, villains escape, and no one dies. They couldn't end it like Empire Strikes Back because there is no Return of the Jedi on the horizon. Hell, The Dark Knight does end like Empire: the Joker, while losing a battle, won the war, and the only way to cover it up is for Batman to become one of the city's most hated villains to be hunted by one of his few allies. That isn't exactly an uplifting, feel good ending.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
RatBot wrote:Oh, and before Manchu and Amaya break out the pitchforks and torches
My god man you were wrong, It's not a badge of honor.
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Mannahnin wrote:I can't go as far as Manchu in thinking it was bad
FWIW, I think the film was morally bad. It was reactionary and it leaves things ambiguous that should be made clear. It makes too much out of Batman. Batman is no Jesus Christ, even in 2012. And people aren't nearly as awful as that movie may or may not (who the feth can even tell?) indicate.
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My god man you were wrong, It's not a badge of honor.
Nor is it a moral failing or crime. No need to lay into the guy.
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Agreed no need to and nothing doing on that front. Just a reminder that faulty memory is just that -- faulty. Bane is not a simple thug and no amount of ignorance makes that reading accurate.
I was simply saying that is how I recall him, and the reason I recall him that way is the only thing I remember about him, which is that one scene from that one episode of TAS. I'm not saying that justifies my incorrect assumption, just explains it. Since all I remember about the character is the scene where he takes super steroids and acts like a thuggish brute, I recalled him as a thuggish brute. Thanks to Manchu's informative, if extremely condescending, posts I now see that I am mistaken.
I'm sorry if it seemed like I was trying to justify my view, because I wasn't.
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I'd recommend re-watching the episode. Even in that super-condensed form, you will see that he is portrayed as a sophisticated and suave villain with big plans whose incredible arrogance is his undoing.
I'd really recommend the episodes with Ra's al Ghul and Talia since you seem to not remember them at all. There were a whole slew of them. Ra's was introduced very slowly, through an assassin called the Red Claw, and Talia is so much better in those episodes than the frankly asinine crazy bitch that Nolan gives us.
Anyways, with that tangent aside--I found this interesting:
Spoiler:
IGN wrote:Did you ever wonder about the real origin story of Bane in The Dark Knight Rises? The film's costume designer says it was filmed but didn't make the final cut. *Warning: spoilers to follow!*
One thing that's been consistent about all three of director Christopher Nolan's Bat-movies is the lack of a fully detailed origin story for his primary villains: Ra's al Ghul, the Joker and Bane all have backstories ranging from murky to nonexistent (we think we're seeing Bane's origin at one point, but it's actually that of Talia al Ghul).
In a new interview with GQ, however, costume designer Lindy Hemmings—who's worked on all three films—alludes to a prison sequence in The Dark Knight Rises in which we see how a much younger Bane got the injuries we glimpse in the movie:
The other thing that you should have seen during that sequence is him being injured in his youth. So one of the fundamental things about his costume is that he has this scar from the back injury. Even if he hasn't got the bulletproof vest on, he still has to wear the waist belt and the braces. In that scene in the prison, where he's learning to fight the same way Batman learned to fight, he's wearing an early version of his waist belt. It's showing support, but it's not the finished one he eventually wears. He's also wearing an early version of his gas mask, all glued together.
Asked if she's referring to the scene that's in the film now, where we see Bane with bandages wrapped around his head, Hemmings—who had not seen the finished picture at the time of the interview—continues:
Well, if you look at the film, unless they've cut it—and I'm sure they haven't—there's a whole early section for Tom Hardy where he's fighting and being taunted by people. He's got chains on him, and he's standing on a wooden thing while people are attacking him. And in that scene, he's wearing a much more ragged, primitive version of the mask.
Told that the scene was apparently excised, Hemmings adds:
Well that's an awful shame, but I suppose you have to cut things. I won't elaborate on it too much, because it isn't in the film, but there was another section that showed you why he had the mask and where it came from.
There you have it. An origin for Bane was filmed and then dropped. Would you have wanted to see that sequence, or does Bane work better with a sketchier background? And what else was filmed and then cut from the final film?
We probably have to wait for the Blu-ray release to find out ...
Amaya wrote:I don't know how Bane is obscure. He's kind of a big deal for being the guy who broke the Bat.
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Amaya, this image is all a lot of people know about Bane, myself included. I didn't read Batman AT ALL, and I knew about Bane breaking his back and Nightwing taking over.
However, I knew nothing of his back story, the build up to that point, and so on.
On the flip side of that coin, I am astute enough not to make comparisons of the movie Bane to the comic book Bane on the nerd forum for that same reason.
Well, yeah, Kronk, but golly jee willikers, doesn't that picture make Bane's tactical genius and mastery of psychological warfare obvious? I mean, clearly a gigantic guy in a unitard using brute force to break a guy's back while bellowing monosyllabic words is the height of nuance and subtlety.
In all seriousness, I've been reading about Bane on the DC wiki and he's pretty damn cool.
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I think it would have been more interesting if after breaking his back Bruce had been completely paralysed, and Blake had taken over the role. It would have emphasised the fact that Batman isn't a man but a symbol. He would of course be no match for Bane, but the Bat coming back could have roused the people of Gotham into a revolution against Bane. They could have just not bothered with the Talia thing then too, which would have been for the best. You also wouldn't have to wonder why someone who walked with a cane or robotic exo-leg was absolutely fine a couple of months later.
It will be interesting to see if they continue with the story or just do a reboot.
dæl wrote:He would of course be no match for Bane, but the Bat coming back could have roused the people of Gotham into a revolution against Bane.
I gotta say, that sounds like an awesome movie to me.
Thanks, just seems to fit better. Bane talks of revolutions and giving power to the people, it seems apt that would be his undoing. He forces Bruce to watch Gotham as he tortures it, Bruce would see that someone else has risen (no pun intended) to take his place, this makes up for his rather crappy fate of being left to rot in the prison. For three films we are told that a symbol is more than a man, because a man can be destroyed, it would be nice if that actually applied. We also wouldn't have had to have 5 months of sweet fanny adams happening while Bruce recovers from a broken spine (Something my girlfriend suffered a few years ago and after 5 months she wasn't climbing any walls). It would be the opposite of the Dark Knight too, there Batman wins the battle with the Joker but loses the war.
It's something of a shame that Nolan isn't interested in any more films, would love to have seen his take on Edward Nigma.
