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Wow, time to learn Japanese

Lormax wrote:Wow, time to learn Japanese

Heh. That's a time = money commitment far greater than buying an iPad!


But yeah, it is true that GW has released PDFs in some markets and in some cases, however it is clear from the price point of this digital format release that they're not trying to grab a huge digital marketshare, but rather they're looking for another revenue stream from those willing to buy.

I know I'm only dreaming here, but I wonder - assuming that these digital codices are going to be updated with errata as they come out - I wonder if GW will be able to link relevant FAQ entries on specific pages of the digital codex?

I mean, say you're digitally flipping through the Space Marine codex and you're unsure how a rule works. Tap the FAQ button on the screen, and it will load any FAQ entries that are relevant to that page. That would be a nifty feature.

Heck, it's entirely possible GW already has plans for doing this, and that they're just waiting until 6th edition before applying it to the SM codex. It would also explain quite neatly why GW released an existing (and popular) codex a month before the new edition.

But again, I'm just dreaming. I haven't yet bought the Digidex (you heard the term first here, folks), but I'm waiting to see what kind of support they'll be giving it; I think the 6th edition release will give us a fair idea of what GW is planning, at least.

Yeah I don't see any reason for GW not to include errata and FAQs free of charge. It would open an interesting legal question if they didn't I'm sure.

I guess I'm still bothered by the idea of buying a 5th edition codex with the imminent arrival of 6th but do really like he idea of the digital format and its features. I think that I will hold off until newly released codecies are released and start from there with the assuming that they will only last one edition. Codeci are too important to the structure of 40k sales to warrant updating through rulebook editions.

Well, while I think moving onto digital it's a good idea, I do want to see a legal PDF market. And no one tell me it cannot be done, DriveThruRPG does it, with a name and order number on every page that also appears when you print it (that's how I have my Vampire: the Masquerade clanbooks, and I've printed 'em all and look great)

Of course, my wish has totally nothing to do with importations being closed, specially on books and me still wanting to go legal... 9.9 (Hel, I'm actually buying e-books a want/need, printing them and binding 'em, hard cover and all)

Lormax wrote:Wow, time to learn Japanese

But that changed several months ago. New books such as the Necron codex are no longer being released as free PDF's by GW Japan. Codex: Necron's 4500 yen for the print edition.

I have seen a few posts saying that IPads last longer than the books. All I can say is that its absolute nonsense, my Chaos Space Marine Book has lasted me since 2007 and still in good condition.

MetalOxide wrote:I have seen a few posts saying that IPads last longer than the books. All I can say is that its absolute nonsense, my Chaos Space Marine Book has lasted me since 2007 and still in good condition.

My Space Marine codex has been losing pages from day one.

yep, it is official

GW is run by a bunch of middle aged children who all own Apple products



cool idea, TERRIBLE ATTEMPT

It's funny, if you read comics, and follow along in the world of comics media, you've heard almost all of these arguments, or a variation of them, many times over the past couple of years.

*Stupid Marvel prices all their digital books at the same price point as their physical copies"
etc.

The noise has generally died down now. Day and date comics exist. People that want them can buy them without leaving their couch. They are a different reading experience then what you get from holding a floppy in your hands. Some, would say a superior experience. (including me) The point is, you can read what you want without having an iPad. You don't need to purchase them in this format. Physical books will work just fine. I, however, plan on taking full advantage of living in the year 2012.

ShumaGorath wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:I have seen a few posts saying that IPads last longer than the books. All I can say is that its absolute nonsense, my Chaos Space Marine Book has lasted me since 2007 and still in good condition.

My Space Marine codex has been losing pages from day one.

Maybe GW should of changed the binding to make the booksmore durable then. I would of prefered to have hardback books at a slightly higher price than an ebook personally.

The Crippler wrote: I, however, plan on taking full advantage of living in the year 2012.

Just curious, what were you doing in 2011 then? Living in the Dark Ages?

Thing is, not sure how to take this. Are you nocking down people because they are not living up to date? So how come it's ok then for GW to take so long to be living in the 21st century then? It's one of the reasons why people are nocking of GW. Too little to late maybe?

I think it is great and has needed doing. If this does not follow the army builder program GW released then never updated, I will buy them all. But I'm waiting until I see a FAQ or 6th edition update applied.

Once they have shown me that they will keep these up to date, I will be all in.

I own an iPad and will most likely be getting a Windows 8 tablet for work once they are out. Hopefully, these will start coming out on other platforms once they get a bit of steam going on Apple.

DIDM wrote:yep, it is official

GW is run by a bunch of middle aged children who all own Apple products



cool idea, TERRIBLE ATTEMPT

Going after the only financially meaningful market in tablets isn't the move of an obsessed fanboy. Pretending that android tablets have a thriving business model behind their app markets is.

One thing for sure is, lads from here (like me) will be more alienated by GW.

Getting a codex was hard (and, awful truth is, most FLGS allow bad prints/photocopies of the codex and lead recasts here).

Apple stuff costs an eye and a kidney here, and since importations are closed, I'd have to nab from the net the upcoming 6th Ed book :/

My work PC isn't displaying the flag correctly - where are you from and why are imports banned?

Argentina, and so the foreign currency (namely USD) is positive so the government can keep it's inner populist ways that are always so healthy for a country in the long run...

Just drive to Uruguay and grab your stuff there.

MetalOxide wrote:I have seen a few posts saying that IPads last longer than the books. All I can say is that its absolute nonsense, my Chaos Space Marine Book has lasted me since 2007 and still in good condition.

Yeah, it's laughable that people think their tablet is going to last more than 3 years.

All electronic goods produced since 1990 have been specifically engineered to last 3 years and no longer, it means you have to buy the new version (at the new, higher, price) regularly.
You got more than 3 years from your ipod? Good for you, you're bucking the trend.
You've had your 55" plasma screen telly for 6 years with no problems? Again, good for you, you're also bucking the trend (and are statistically responsible for mine failing early, I'll remember, don't worry ).
Most phones begin to fail as the 24 month contract they came on ends, most appliances fail at the point the extended warranty runs out (3-5 years, stupid washing machine...), Cars don't last much beyond 5 years (unless you buy a Kia and then you get 7); see if you can find lifetime warranty electronic goods any more.

The rate at which we're throwing away broken electronic goods has skyrocketed in the last 2 decades, and has led to a whole host of issues regarding the toxic materials in said electronic goods leeching into the environment.
(don't even get started on the European directive to get rid of 100W tungsten filament light bulbs yet offer as the only replacement a product containing mercury, with no recycling route... seriously, why does anyone listen to Brussels at all?)

So yeah, ipads lasting longer than books, even GW's crappy-binding-job variety?
'fraid not.

But I don't think anybody is advocating purchasing iPads for the sole purpose of buying a GW eCodex.

People who have iPads are going to replace them anyway, so the service live is not exactly an added cost of eCodex ownership.

Breotan wrote:Just drive to Uruguay and grab your stuff there.

Uh, $134 USD added just in gas, assuming the government allowed me to exchange my money into foreigh currency (you go to the exchange places or banks, then they call the AFIP -local economical organization- with your data and how much of X foreigh money you want to buy and they say "yes" or "no". You can only try 2 ammounts per day). I guess it's too much to ask to have dem books at stores or being able to order ir and have to go look for it at the main Post Office building.

Theinfinite wrote: see if you can find lifetime warranty electronic goods any more.

Kingston's RAM :p

Dark wrote:

Breotan wrote:Just drive to Uruguay and grab your stuff there.

Uh, $134 USD added just in gas, assuming the government allowed me to exchange my money into foreigh currency (you go to the exchange places or banks, then they call the AFIP -local economical organization- with your data and how much of X foreigh money you want to buy and they say "yes" or "no". You can only try 2 ammounts per day). I guess it's too much to ask to have dem books at stores or being able to order ir and have to go look for it at the main Post Office building.

Theinfinite wrote: see if you can find lifetime warranty electronic goods any more.

Kingston's RAM :p

Nice

But easily explained due to the speed with which people replace RAM anyway; by the time 3 years is up, your 8Gb stick has been superseded with four 256Gb sticks for the same cost.

And still a long way from my Grandmother's Vacuum Cleaner; 5 years older than me yet still gives our brand new Miele a run for it's money.

Off topic (like some have seemed to strayed) - it depends on how you actually treat/look after things to whether it lasts of not. I've got a couple of WHF books from 1992 still in brilliant condition, paper is going a little yellow as it does in age, my car is 10 years old - 90% of the parts are still the orginial ones that was on it when it rolled out the factory (and no it's not a Kia)....
I've seen people go through phones/cars/computers at an unbelievable rate cause they treat it like crap. So i disagree with the "evil companies breaking it so you buy more"


On topic - i bought the battlefield challenge deathknell watch and I liked it. Price point was a bit on the high side. But like everything no one is putting a gun to your head to buy it so it's to the indiviual to buy it or not. So when the other companies do it are we going to see a "cheese and wine" about that or is it because it's GW.....oh yeah it's GW

my 50 cents (no change)

I really like this but for the price I'm old-fashioned and actually prefer a real book. I don't know how they plan on continuing this but any updates/errata could be easily "patched" through ITunes but if you need to buy each and every update for full price again this will fail however cool it is. I already fear bringing my models to my GW store with all the kids and their greasy fingers let alone my IPad 2!
It has its advantages and disadvantages really and in the end it is down to personal choice but as high-tech as I think I am I will stick to paper for now.

Well I was lucky enough to get to use the Space Marine Digital Codex this weekend and I have to say I was actually very impressed.

It is more than just a PDF copy of the Codex, it is fully interactive, and most importantly has a search function which during a game will be very useful indeed.

It also has the Storm Talon in the Codex, and has interactive artwork, 360 pics etc.

However is it worth £5 more than the paper Codex? I don't think so, but I think they were bang on with the actual product itself.

It would have been so nice to have an army builder function in there though, and I am a bit puzzled they didn't include it.

I must admit that if they were to do this for the 6th Edition mini rulebook it would be very handy indeed.

I've work with InDesign and had looked at producing emags but never gotten around to it, but can anybody back up the claim that the cost is justified? From my understanding they will already have the Codexes in a digital format, so that's most of the work done. They then need to export and tweak to work on an iPad, is it that much work? Won't InDesign do a lot of it for you or don't they have a plugin for it yet?

Wolfstan wrote:I've work with InDesign and had looked at producing emags but never gotten around to it, but can anybody back up the claim that the cost is justified? From my understanding they will already have the Codexes in a digital format, so that's most of the work done. They then need to export and tweak to work on an iPad, is it that much work? Won't InDesign do a lot of it for you or don't they have a plugin for it yet?

Well, yes. We use InDesign to make the Army 'zines and books here, so yes, Codices are already digitalized, just not sure about making those (let's call them) raw files into interactive stuff.

Now that GW has raised the price of the paper codex to match the ebook, the price differential is no longer an argument. However, the new higher price is outrageous. It is the same as the cost of a moderately priced video game, and that takes a lot more art work, play testing, and programming.

It is my understanding that the new interactive stuff is basically canned stuff from Apple. Nice page turns, and popup links to definitions. All GW has to do is supply the pages, and links to the definitions.

GW can say very little to justify the high price of an e-book, as we all know that GW devotes very little resources to proof reading, play testing, etc. Before they said you were paying for nice glossy paper and color pages. Now we are paying for typos, and photos that are already on their site for free.

For the price they are charging for an ecodex, you should in the very least get the entire 40k rulebook, army books, and an army builder. That would make it much more comparable to video games. It should also be noted that the video game industry is trending towards MUCH less expensive games such as the ones on cell phones.

Reminds me of the movie theatres logic.

"People pirates movies and won't come here... raise all prices to make it up wih the ones that still come"

Later...

"Now less people comes... raise all prices again!"

The price is about $12 to high. For $30 I would have bought it. At $42 its a bit of a stretch.
Its a great quality product, and if there is a new Codex coming out that I want -- I will consider buying it. In regards to replacing an existing codex I own, there is no way I would pay that premium.

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The Infinite wrote: Cars don't last much beyond 5 years (unless you buy a Kia and then you get 7)

While I agree with you on the phones, I disagree here.

If you bought a good car and take good care of it, you can get a lot more than 5-7 years out of it. I got 10 years out of my Saturn before I sold it, and it was still running well.

Unlike an ipad, you can replace parts as they break.