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 Tyran wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What a load of pretentious nonsense. There is SO MUCH out there that is actually transphobic, but here they are writing an article attacking something which isn't. By labeling a dry scientific statement as transphobic they sell the idea that trans individuals are simply looking to get offended over innocuous content. Absolutely not the case, but this one article does more damage than ten which actually support transgender rights by providing evidence bigots can use to discredit them.

I wouldn't call any of it a "dry scientific statement". Biologists that study sex did not make those statements, as scientific research regarding sex has found out that sex, like any other biological process, is an extremely complicated process full of moving (and poorly understood) parts. GW trying to simplify it in one sentence is not a dry scientific statement.

Like everything else in 40k, it is pseudo science, the issue here is that it is pseudo science regarding sex, which has been used to hurt trans people.

The part that's extremely simple is that 99.9999% of the population has either XX or XY chromosomes. Biologists had no problem making that very basic statement of scientific fact until very recently. Space Marines are made from individuals with XY chromosomes, which is all that statement says. Whoever reads transphobia from that statement deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics and an F in science and reading comprehension.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

It doesn’t marginalize women by excluding them (in terms of self representation at least) from the top-selling, most iconic, best-supported faction in the game?

Sure, you can argue there isn’t much harm here, but it’s definitely a “no gurlz” statement canonized into the fluff.

Seems realistic to me. Navy SEALs don't allow women, and the USMC had to lower all their PT standards once women were allowed to join combat units. It's not being "anti-women", it's choosing the most effective troop for the role. If the role requires extreme physical strength, it will be predominantly men because of basic biology.

Toofast wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What a load of pretentious nonsense. There is SO MUCH out there that is actually transphobic, but here they are writing an article attacking something which isn't. By labeling a dry scientific statement as transphobic they sell the idea that trans individuals are simply looking to get offended over innocuous content. Absolutely not the case, but this one article does more damage than ten which actually support transgender rights by providing evidence bigots can use to discredit them.

I wouldn't call any of it a "dry scientific statement". Biologists that study sex did not make those statements, as scientific research regarding sex has found out that sex, like any other biological process, is an extremely complicated process full of moving (and poorly understood) parts. GW trying to simplify it in one sentence is not a dry scientific statement.

Like everything else in 40k, it is pseudo science, the issue here is that it is pseudo science regarding sex, which has been used to hurt trans people.

The part that's extremely simple is that 99.9999% of the population has either XX or XY chromosomes. Biologists had no problem making that very basic statement of scientific fact until very recently. Space Marines are made from individuals with XY chromosomes, which is all that statement says. Whoever reads transphobia from that statement deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics and an F in science and reading comprehension.

Which I agree here, I am transgender person and see no problem with it. Now would it be nice to have new marines come out with an updated gene-seed that works for all humans? Sure that be nice, but we are also talking about HH lore which was new ish to this process. It is not really transphobic to say they wanted males for the strongest possible army. Sexist ? yeah maybe lol. If Goon said this was Sexist I think it would have gain more traction.

 Miguelsan wrote:


LATINX!

M.

My wife is Venezuelan and a lot of her friends are gay. When we were in Cancun with a bunch of her friends, I asked them about that. They all said some variation of "We have a million things to worry about that are 1000x more pressing than calling us latinos, hispanics, or latinx. It's something only you over educated white Americans have time to even think about". Pretty much in line with polls I've seen in the US about it, something like 2-4% of latinos actually like or use that term while the rest think it's stupid. You can tell someone has never actually spent time in Latino communities or in Latin America and doesn't even know anyone from Latin America when they use that term. It's virtue signalling at its finest, the people they're trying to signal to don't even like it.

 Bosskelot wrote:
These threads are always useful for outing the bigots so I can put them on my block list.

Same, but the other way around.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What a load of pretentious nonsense. There is SO MUCH out there that is actually transphobic, but here they are writing an article attacking something which isn't. By labeling a dry scientific statement as transphobic they sell the idea that trans individuals are simply looking to get offended over innocuous content. Absolutely not the case, but this one article does more damage than ten which actually support transgender rights by providing evidence bigots can use to discredit them.

I wouldn't call any of it a "dry scientific statement". Biologists that study sex did not make those statements, as scientific research regarding sex has found out that sex, like any other biological process, is an extremely complicated process full of moving (and poorly understood) parts. GW trying to simplify it in one sentence is not a dry scientific statement.

Like everything else in 40k, it is pseudo science, the issue here is that it is pseudo science regarding sex, which has been used to hurt trans people.

The part that's extremely simple is that 99.9999% of the population has either XX or XY chromosomes. Biologists had no problem making that very basic statement of scientific fact until very recently. Space Marines are made from individuals with XY chromosomes, which is all that statement says. Whoever reads transphobia from that statement deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics and an F in science and reading comprehension.

Which I agree here, I am transgender person and see no problem with it. Now would it be nice to have new marines come out with an updated gene-seed that works for all humans? Sure that be nice, but we are also talking about HH lore which was new ish to this process. It is not really transphobic to say they wanted males for the strongest possible army. Sexist ? yeah maybe lol. If Goon said this was Sexist I think it would have gain more traction.

But the example used was "physically strongest aspirants". How can it be sexist to say that a male human on average is going to be physically stronger than a human female (considering that they recieved the same training conditioning, because a trained female athlete is going to outperform an untrained male any day of the week). That is a fact just like for example that people born in different climate conditions developed different types and concentrations of melanin...there can't and shouldn't be any value judgement about that fact because nobody has any control over this circumstance.

Tiberias wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What a load of pretentious nonsense. There is SO MUCH out there that is actually transphobic, but here they are writing an article attacking something which isn't. By labeling a dry scientific statement as transphobic they sell the idea that trans individuals are simply looking to get offended over innocuous content. Absolutely not the case, but this one article does more damage than ten which actually support transgender rights by providing evidence bigots can use to discredit them.

I wouldn't call any of it a "dry scientific statement". Biologists that study sex did not make those statements, as scientific research regarding sex has found out that sex, like any other biological process, is an extremely complicated process full of moving (and poorly understood) parts. GW trying to simplify it in one sentence is not a dry scientific statement.

Like everything else in 40k, it is pseudo science, the issue here is that it is pseudo science regarding sex, which has been used to hurt trans people.

The part that's extremely simple is that 99.9999% of the population has either XX or XY chromosomes. Biologists had no problem making that very basic statement of scientific fact until very recently. Space Marines are made from individuals with XY chromosomes, which is all that statement says. Whoever reads transphobia from that statement deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics and an F in science and reading comprehension.

Which I agree here, I am transgender person and see no problem with it. Now would it be nice to have new marines come out with an updated gene-seed that works for all humans? Sure that be nice, but we are also talking about HH lore which was new ish to this process. It is not really transphobic to say they wanted males for the strongest possible army. Sexist ? yeah maybe lol. If Goon said this was Sexist I think it would have gain more traction.

But the example used was "physically strongest aspirants". How can it be sexist to say that a male human on average is going to be physically stronger than a human female (considering that they recieved the same training conditioning, because a trained female athlete is going to outperform an untrained male any day of the week). That is a fact just like for example that people born in different climate conditions developed different types and concentrations of melanin...there can't and shouldn't be any value judgement about that fact because nobody has any control over this circumstance.

Read my history I do not think it is sexist, I am saying if Goon went the sexist angle I can see a better argument for it bc at least in 40k you can say females can be enhance to male levels (see succubus). I feel there is no argument for it being transphobic. I can not see ANY reason for it being transphobic and I am wondering why they do actually. Does that mean he thinks SoB are also transphobic? What about Incubi, Succubus, Escher? all those are 1 sex only groups too.

 Eldarsif wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Hecaton wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
It's not something I've ever felt particularly strongly about personally but the Spess Mehreens are in fact the face of the setting and it's off-putting to exclude over half of the population for being represented in them for such childish reasons tbh.

The face of the setting being segregated for no good reason is perfect for 40k/The Imperium. What part of "dystopia" don't you understand?

This I agree with.

I'm totally pro female Custodes though, I think that would be a nice counterpoint.

Female Custodes would've been a fantastic idea. Just a couple extra heads and you're ready to go.

Unfortunately I seen what people want with their female Marines (so big tits in armor in an all female Chapter wearing what might as well be makeup) so I'll pass until that weirdness does.

My friend is making a female Custodes army using 3D printed heads and it just looks awesome. The rest is just standard Custodes body. Imagine I might do something similar myself when I want to make a Custodes Kill Team.

I personally have put a lot of female heads on my CSM models. It's just fun to have variety.

Which is all fine and dandy, but that isnt what I seen the majority want.

All said and done, I think helmetless Marines are stupid and I refuse to have one in my army.

 catbarf wrote:

Sunno wrote:If it was provable that there is an untapped market of people out there who would buy into 40K if only GW allowed female SM then trust me, GW would have incorporated female SM ages ago to expand their market share and profits. There simply isn’t that provable group that would make it worth any effort that GW would need to put in.

GW didn't think Sisters would sell. Their stock expected to last four months ran out in two hours. I'd say any argument that starts from the premise that GW knows what will sell and what won't is on shaky ground.

If you believe that, then I have a bridge in Alaska I'd like to show you. I'll give you a good price on it.

Toofast wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:


LATINX!

M.

My wife is Venezuelan and a lot of her friends are gay. When we were in Cancun with a bunch of her friends, I asked them about that. They all said some variation of "We have a million things to worry about that are 1000x more pressing than calling us latinos, hispanics, or latinx. It's something only you over educated white Americans have time to even think about". Pretty much in line with polls I've seen in the US about it, something like 2-4% of latinos actually like or use that term while the rest think it's stupid. You can tell someone has never actually spent time in Latino communities or in Latin America and doesn't even know anyone from Latin America when they use that term. It's virtue signalling at its finest, the people they're trying to signal to don't even like it.

You tell me (points at name)
Gets better when the same people went with Philippinx, not only it has been used as a racial slur against Pinois, but there is no X in the Tagalog language.

M.

How did this conversation become more friendly than the Power Level one?

 Rihgu wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
I do appreciate the mods keeping this topic open for discussion. And the folks have have taken the time to expand on the problem, rather than shouting down anyone that questions them.

I'm of the same opinion. I've been using Goonhammer to keep track of 40K tactics, and new armies for a couple years. I'm all cool with GH allowing opinion pieces in their site, but if mods are going to ban users that disagree with the hive mind they are trying to pass as part of the hobby I'm out, as such I have erased GH from my favorite list, and I'm planning never to return. Thought comforming through coercitive means is anathema to me.

M.

Which is cool and all but there are plenty of dissenting opinions in the comments on that article. The ones that were deleted/banned were the hateful/incendiary ones. Or, I guess they could have even been ones in agreement, as they're gone now they really could have been anything. But since I do see dissenting/non Hivemind opinions in the comment section, it seems a pretty safe assumption that "thought conforming through coercive means" isn't occurring there.

They're just banning hateful bigots/trolls from their privately owned website.

I'm cool with the owners of a private website using it anyway they feel like, and even turning it into an echo chamber. But when I went to read the article, and the comments all I saw was "I agree/I signed up the petition" posts along with "why my post was deleted" followed with by the mods making snide remarks like "Build your fething website" I won't patronize that type of place. I guess your experience might have been different.

M.

Nothing says tolerance like banning anyone who disagrees with your viewpoints and trying to cancel them from all of society.

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
How did this conversation become more friendly than the Power Level one?

I think because it's more human. We all know to empathize with others and we generally seek to make our spaces more open to others. Most gamers are marginalized people themselves who were tormented for decades before our current modern era. That leads to a lot of damage and I genuinely believe that most people want to help others, not tear them down.

With that said, I also think people are treading carefully here and probably holding back a lot of their opinions in full out of fear of reprisal.


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 Miguelsan wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
I do appreciate the mods keeping this topic open for discussion. And the folks have have taken the time to expand on the problem, rather than shouting down anyone that questions them.

I'm of the same opinion. I've been using Goonhammer to keep track of 40K tactics, and new armies for a couple years. I'm all cool with GH allowing opinion pieces in their site, but if mods are going to ban users that disagree with the hive mind they are trying to pass as part of the hobby I'm out, as such I have erased GH from my favorite list, and I'm planning never to return. Thought comforming through coercitive means is anathema to me.

M.

Which is cool and all but there are plenty of dissenting opinions in the comments on that article. The ones that were deleted/banned were the hateful/incendiary ones. Or, I guess they could have even been ones in agreement, as they're gone now they really could have been anything. But since I do see dissenting/non Hivemind opinions in the comment section, it seems a pretty safe assumption that "thought conforming through coercive means" isn't occurring there.

They're just banning hateful bigots/trolls from their privately owned website.

I'm cool with the owners of a private website using it anyway they feel like, and even turning it into an echo chamber. But when I went to read the article, and the comments all I saw was "I agree/I signed up the petition" posts along with "why my post was deleted" followed with by the mods making snide remarks like "Build your fething website" I won't patronize that type of place. I guess your experience might have been different.

M.

Too be fair, I'd say the less people that visit Goon the better. It's a site that encourages the worst aspects of WAAC/Min/Max behavior and Competitive strategy.

 Rihgu wrote:
Which is cool and all but there are plenty of dissenting opinions in the comments on that article. The ones that were deleted/banned were the hateful/incendiary ones. Or, I guess they could have even been ones in agreement, as they're gone now they really could have been anything. But since I do see dissenting/non Hivemind opinions in the comment section, it seems a pretty safe assumption that "thought conforming through coercive means" isn't occurring there.

They're just banning hateful bigots/trolls from their privately owned website.

Would you say my comment is/was hateful and bigoted or trollish?

this topic is ludicrous and meant to stir up trouble so a few can feel moral superior to those that don't follow their non-standard views, while exploting a tiny percentage of the human population with an extreme and harmful mental disorder.

as for female SM do whatever you like. if you want to slap makeup on male minis do it. Just don't pretend it should be execpted by everyone else.

steelhead177th wrote:
this topic is ludicrous and meant to stir up trouble so a few can feel moral superior to those that don't follow their non-standard views, while exploting a tiny percentage of the human population with an extreme and harmful mental disorder.

as for female SM do whatever you like. if you want to slap makeup on male minis do it. Just don't pretend it should be execpted by everyone else.

You're scum. And also the EXACT type of person that the 40k community needs to usher out.

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
Which is cool and all but there are plenty of dissenting opinions in the comments on that article. The ones that were deleted/banned were the hateful/incendiary ones. Or, I guess they could have even been ones in agreement, as they're gone now they really could have been anything. But since I do see dissenting/non Hivemind opinions in the comment section, it seems a pretty safe assumption that "thought conforming through coercive means" isn't occurring there.

They're just banning hateful bigots/trolls from their privately owned website.

Would you say my comment is/was hateful and bigoted or trollish?

I was trying to remember who posted this earlier in the thread, thanks for raising your hand, hero.

It seems to me that GH initially started with incredibly heavy handed and unfair moderation and has backed off over the last couple hours (looking at recent responses from Greg). They absolutely started by banning anything that wasn't 100% agreement and adulation.

 Miguelsan wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:


LATINX!

M.

My wife is Venezuelan and a lot of her friends are gay. When we were in Cancun with a bunch of her friends, I asked them about that. They all said some variation of "We have a million things to worry about that are 1000x more pressing than calling us latinos, hispanics, or latinx. It's something only you over educated white Americans have time to even think about". Pretty much in line with polls I've seen in the US about it, something like 2-4% of latinos actually like or use that term while the rest think it's stupid. You can tell someone has never actually spent time in Latino communities or in Latin America and doesn't even know anyone from Latin America when they use that term. It's virtue signalling at its finest, the people they're trying to signal to don't even like it.

You tell me (points at name)
Gets better when the same people went with Philippinx, not only it has been used as a racial slur against Pinois, but there is no X in the Tagalog language.

M.

They've been doing it since the 30s with "Aelutian." The average Unangan never uses the word.

 catbarf wrote:
Space Marines being all-male probably wouldn't be an issue if they weren't also the de facto face of the setting, game, franchise, and company as a whole.

They're the poster boys (literally), and that puts them under more scrutiny for issues like representation.

Okey. Explain to me why in a hobby made by men, bought and played by men and boys, is it somehow bad for there to be a faction which is men only? What scrutiny is there to have.

LGBTQ groups have been the targets of bigotry for a long time, and simple things like the normalization of dehumanization via language helps to reinforce this

Maybe in countries like Russia, but not in western countries. There are not just laws that put people on equal footing, but make it actualy illegal to be anti. Only dehumanization that happens comes from the people themselfs. Pride parades don't seem to have much to do with pride or being part of the society, and more like shock value execcs for shock value. And the ones we have are, supposably, tame comparing to those that happen in western countries.

Yup, being the literal face of the setting, and pushed hard, and being something like half the armies played in the game is what makes it an issue.

But if you try to revert it doesn't it end up like scouting in the US, where boy scouts had to close down and girls scout were never made to take in boys.
Different hobbies are picked by different people. My sisters love horseback ridding, I don't think there is any non professional/police members of the ridding club they go to and it has over 100+ members.

They're just banning hateful bigots/trolls from their privately owned website.

Okey, but if the people doing the banning are all pro trans, then you get as much of a discussion about the topic, as you would get at a catholic organisation in Poland about abortion. Why leave the option to post, if the only posts which are accepted are those you agree with it. Just lock the comment sections and show what you think in the article.

ERJAK wrote:

steelhead177th wrote:
this topic is ludicrous and meant to stir up trouble so a few can feel moral superior to those that don't follow their non-standard views, while exploting a tiny percentage of the human population with an extreme and harmful mental disorder.

as for female SM do whatever you like. if you want to slap makeup on male minis do it. Just don't pretend it should be execpted by everyone else.

You're scum. And also the EXACT type of person that the 40k community needs to usher out.

But...but I thought Warhammer was for everybody?

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
Which is cool and all but there are plenty of dissenting opinions in the comments on that article. The ones that were deleted/banned were the hateful/incendiary ones. Or, I guess they could have even been ones in agreement, as they're gone now they really could have been anything. But since I do see dissenting/non Hivemind opinions in the comment section, it seems a pretty safe assumption that "thought conforming through coercive means" isn't occurring there.

They're just banning hateful bigots/trolls from their privately owned website.

Would you say my comment is/was hateful and bigoted or trollish?

What was your comment?

Nah warhammer is only for people who think exactly like else and everyone else should leave. Or at least this is the sentiment I am getting reading about how people think the game should be governed and how outside of game activities somehow become core to the game, or even more important the game itself.

 Rihgu wrote:
What was your comment?

I would feel bad "spamming" it a third time in this thread. Please just look it up from my profile. It's like the within the most recent 3.

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
How did this conversation become more friendly than the Power Level one?

Because caring about the disenfranchised and making sure people feel included is something easier to agree on compared to botching game balance and mechanics.

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
What was your comment?

I would feel bad "spamming" it a third time in this thread. Please just look it up from my profile. It's like the within the most recent 3.

I just did, actually. I would say that your comment wasn't necessarily hateful but did ask the exact same questions with the exact same "innocent tone" that hateful people use when they're "just asking questions". So if I was digging through dozens or hundreds or however many comments of hateful rhetoric I would probably delete that one just to be safe.

Honestly, the proper answer is "look it up". Your understanding is from a decade or more ago and to get you up to speed would require tons of investment on mine or another repliers part and not everybody is up to the task. That's not meant to be rude, I also wouldn't try to explain the concept of 0 to somebody who hasn't come across it, and I'm not really equipped to boil either topic down to easy-to-understand terms. edit: it also requires a certain amount of "deprogramming" as it were, if you're trying to explain it to somebody who has certain preconceptions.

 Togusa wrote:

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
How did this conversation become more friendly than the Power Level one?

I think because it's more human. We all know to empathize with others and we generally seek to make our spaces more open to others. Most gamers are marginalized people themselves who were tormented for decades before our current modern era. That leads to a lot of damage and I genuinely believe that most people want to help others, not tear them down.

With that said, I also think people are treading carefully here and probably holding back a lot of their opinions in full out of fear of reprisal.


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 Miguelsan wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
I do appreciate the mods keeping this topic open for discussion. And the folks have have taken the time to expand on the problem, rather than shouting down anyone that questions them.

I'm of the same opinion. I've been using Goonhammer to keep track of 40K tactics, and new armies for a couple years. I'm all cool with GH allowing opinion pieces in their site, but if mods are going to ban users that disagree with the hive mind they are trying to pass as part of the hobby I'm out, as such I have erased GH from my favorite list, and I'm planning never to return. Thought comforming through coercitive means is anathema to me.

M.

Which is cool and all but there are plenty of dissenting opinions in the comments on that article. The ones that were deleted/banned were the hateful/incendiary ones. Or, I guess they could have even been ones in agreement, as they're gone now they really could have been anything. But since I do see dissenting/non Hivemind opinions in the comment section, it seems a pretty safe assumption that "thought conforming through coercive means" isn't occurring there.

They're just banning hateful bigots/trolls from their privately owned website.

I'm cool with the owners of a private website using it anyway they feel like, and even turning it into an echo chamber. But when I went to read the article, and the comments all I saw was "I agree/I signed up the petition" posts along with "why my post was deleted" followed with by the mods making snide remarks like "Build your fething website" I won't patronize that type of place. I guess your experience might have been different.

M.

Too be fair, I'd say the less people that visit Goon the better. It's a site that encourages the worst aspects of WAAC/Min/Max behavior and Competitive strategy.

So 1. Goonhammer isn't WAAC. Goonhammer is to competitive play what Linus Tech Tips is to processor die manufacturing.

2. Referring to the other comment about 'private websites' why would you keep hate speech around? Why would you bother? Statement like Steelhead's 'I think trans people have a dangerous mental disorder' SHOULDN'T be engaged with. All that does is give free advertising for vile ideas. If you get someone who spews hate speech on your platform, the CORRECT response is to just ban them off and be done with it.

Banning people who say nonsense like '50/13' or other racist/bigoted crap doesn't create an echo chamber. Letting them stick around does. If you allow people to present ideas like 'I think all trans people are mentally ill freaks' and give that inane, bigoted nonsense the same position as other, less stupid opinions like 'people being treated poorly for ephemeral reasons like arbitrary gender rules is bad' then you end up in a situation where the entire platform is just those arguments over and over and over again, or the GOOD people leave and all you're left with is a Nazi-esque echochamber. It's the paradox of tolerance.

If you're really worried about people not being able to express different viewpoints, but those viewpoints are 'I think X minority group should be rounded up and killed' you're focusing on the wrong thing.

I literally had to come back to this thread to laugh at the fact that someone is suggesting that Goonhammer is anything but full of WAAC players.

ERJAK wrote:

again, or the GOOD people leave and all you're left with is a Nazi-esque echochamber. It's the paradox of tolerance

Godwin point spotted.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I literally had to come back to this thread to laugh at the fact that someone is suggesting that Goonhammer is anything but full of WAAC players.

Yea my favorite kind of WAAC player is the type who goes to tournaments with as few datasheets as possible because they can't remember that many rules, and they consider 1-4 a good W-L for a weekend.

 Miguelsan wrote:

Spoiler:

Toofast wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:


LATINX!

M.

My wife is Venezuelan and a lot of her friends are gay. When we were in Cancun with a bunch of her friends, I asked them about that. They all said some variation of "We have a million things to worry about that are 1000x more pressing than calling us latinos, hispanics, or latinx. It's something only you over educated white Americans have time to even think about". Pretty much in line with polls I've seen in the US about it, something like 2-4% of latinos actually like or use that term while the rest think it's stupid. You can tell someone has never actually spent time in Latino communities or in Latin America and doesn't even know anyone from Latin America when they use that term. It's virtue signalling at its finest, the people they're trying to signal to don't even like it.

You tell me (points at name)
Gets better when the same people went with Philippinx, not only it has been used as a racial slur against Pinois, but there is no X in the Tagalog language.

M.

That is hilarious. Like, poetic levels of compound ignorance.