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Nice write up , I like some of the mechanics and think the further roll on the fumble is a good idea. Instead of the 1 being an automatic fail a further roll could determine how not ideal the failure is (gun jam, weapon explodes, shoots friendly model, hits wrong broadside of the barn, or just doesn’t fire because doesn’t have clear shot after all).

Really like the unit basic instincts idea as well, means a leader can try and get people to do stuff, but if he fails then they might do something he doesn’t want them to do.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Briancj,

Nice looking Guard army you have there on display.

Cheers,

CB


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Captain Brown wrote:
Briancj,

Nice looking Guard army you have there on display.

Cheers,

CB


Thanks, Cap! I've mostly moved to collecting/building, so having the display cases was pretty important to set up.

Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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For the record, this is post 4001. I don't know which one was 4000.

--Brian


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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 Briancj wrote:
For the record, this is post 4001. I don't know which one was 4000.

--Brian


It was in Nerdy’s Iron Warrior thread. You can look that up under your profile

Edit: 4000, Rookie , looks at my own 12,000+ posts...... man I have spent a LOT of time talking trash....

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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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^^ Not all trash, a couple really good posts.

Loving this game bud, nice read through. Thank you for sharing.




 
   
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I like the increased role of leadership, giving orders and default behaviors. It makes it tougher to get your troops to do exactly what you want, instead of your army basically having a hive mind, as in some games. I like the idea that you have to position your troops for success, knowing you can’t count on always being able to micromanage them, so you have to leave more flexibility and redundancy in your plans. It certainly seems more realistic, but hopefully it is also fun and not frustrating!

-Rids

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 The Riddle of Steel wrote:
It certainly seems more realistic, but hopefully it is also fun and not frustrating!

-Rids


That's the really big issue, and why I'm going to need playtesters. And having civilians who are almost unmanageable certainly is less 'fun' than it should be! But it is also an important test, in that if low-leadership mobs aren't fun to play, that limits the game.

Thank you for reading, and for the feedback!

--B.

Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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As someone who is always searching for the perfect game, I applaud you on making your own and then doing a play through. I concur that Training/Behavior is a brilliant concept that could be applied to many game systems. For myself I've been thinking that any miniatures game I try to design will do its best to use only modelled markers like casualties, smoke or shell bursts - I find that the amount of effort to put together nice figures and a table is so great that I don't want any excess stuff floating around. You had the boxes off to the side which is better IMO, but my tables never have enough space to do that it seems like.


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What scale do you think you'll run at? This game had only 3 units on the table, but with the relatively simple mechanics it seems like you could scale up easily.

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 kestral wrote:
As someone who is always searching for the perfect game, I applaud you on making your own and then doing a play through.

Thank you! It's also a sign of utter insanity on my part.

I concur that Training/Behavior is a brilliant concept that could be applied to many game systems. For myself I've been thinking that any miniatures game I try to design will do its best to use only modelled markers like casualties, smoke or shell bursts - I find that the amount of effort to put together nice figures and a table is so great that I don't want any excess stuff floating around. You had the boxes off to the side which is better IMO, but my tables never have enough space to do that it seems like.

Yeah, I've been leaning toward that direction myself. For example, if a model is Incapacitated, leaving a marker behind as the location of your Incapacitated models will be important for victory points and army abilities. Some folks will just use tokens, some folks will make lovely casualty markers. One of the key things I'm doing, which will be the subject of the next playthrough/reveal, is handling weapons fire differently, such as splash (explosion) and spray (automatic fire). Round templates cause so many problems with the 'is the model under the template', and having to measure-from-a-point also causes those issues. Scatter is another thing I dislike, as it ties into the artificial weapons ranges thing...and results in people AIMING to scatter to min/max their weapon's range.

As for the Unit Cards, there needs to be some place to hold the dice (and tokens, to keep the battlefield clear). I really like the idea of dice, but I think I see a way to use laminated Unit Cards which could use wet/dry erase markers to keep track of things as an option, which could keep the unit cards in a stack, instead of on-table (or, at least, a small section of table).

Also, table sizes for StrikePoint reflect a different scale/movement paradigm, no more artificial ranges. So, taking the 6" on each side of the table to make room for unit cards, etc is part of the game design! There's a balance between movement/range/table size, which I need to play with in order to allow for flanking movements (width) and envelopment (depth).

What scale do you think you'll run at? This game had only 3 units on the table, but with the relatively simple mechanics it seems like you could scale up easily.

I believe my "max units per side" would be a dozen at most, not only to keep the game at roughly an hour or so, but also to avoid cramming the table full of models.

On average a 10-model-squad takes up about 6"x3", same with vehicles. This means a dozen units lined up on the table requires a rough footprint of (6"x12=72") six feet in width and 3"-6" of depth. That doesn't include terrain.

If I were to attempt to scale up to larger conflicts, I'd want to push 'more tables, more players' and introduce simultaneous/team activations. Does that make sense? I can expand my thoughts out if need be, might even make fodder for a dev diary.

Thanks for the feedback!

--Brian


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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Well, if you want to translate Tau and Imperial Guard into Strikepoint terms, we could give it a shot for a Taros Skirmish.
   
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Going to work on these today, and get them into the display cases proper!



Happy Warhammer day, everyone!

--Brian


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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Looking good there all painted and assembled

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Guess who went to Warhammer day?

Spoiler:
It was me.









Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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Nice!

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Okay, all the minor repairs are done, so now we're into the heavy lifting. But I need to check some OTHER things first, before committing to repairs and repaint/touchups, etc. Including finding the #*$)#* box that has all of the spare parts/extra bitz for this army.

--B.


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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That is a fairly awesome collection bud. Look forward to seeing them all done.




 
   
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Complete sidebar, other things: Elysians!

So, since FW dropped the line, it's hard to come by Elysian stuff. I have a small handful of random bitz...and a pair of Sky Talons. I never did get any of the Tauros kits, and not they're long gone and very expensive in the after-market auction area.

Thus, while at Warhammer day, I wanted to support my local store, as the manager is a nice guy and does a lot of heavy lifting. I purchased two kits. A set of Munitorum containers and a Genestealer Cult Achilles Ridgerunner. For my Sky Talons to carry.

---

Note: The functions and abilities of the Genestealer Cult codex makes for a better Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum army than the actual Astra Militarum codex.

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Now, I answer your BURNING QUESTIONS. I know every single one of you wants to know. EVERY. ONE.

Can a Sky Talon carry a Munitorum container?



Yes, with a bit of work. You have to widen the 'grip' of the four maglock arms by removing the spacer between the large "gripping" cylinder and the arm, and fiddle the arms a bit.



Is a Genestealer Cult Achilles Ridgerunner an acceptable replacement for a Tauros or Tauros Venator?



Yes.



Easily adaptable, there's a generic mount for a weapon and a little bit of work with the suspension could, if you wanted to, add a second pair of wheels, replace the rear wheels with treads, etc. That's a Space Marine Predator Twin Lascannon, over-sized for purposes of clarity.

Can a Sky Talon carry a Genestealer Cult Achilles Ridgerunner?



You betcha.



If you wanted to be 100% accurate, you'd bring the rear wheels in a bit, which is VERY easy to do on this model.

Are the Genestealer Cult Models acceptable stand-ins for Elysium models?



With the right head? Assuredly, even has kneepads. I had a spare head, so I posed it in. It isn't the SAME, but it is SIMILAR. OR, at least, close enough for people who wanted to make an Elysium army, without Forge World product.

But, how do the new Genestealer Cult models compare to, say, Cadians? Is Games Workshop finally down-scaling human-sized figures?



Not by a noticeable margin, but they are a smidge smaller. However, the boxes of Cult troopers and such are just Cadians with new heads.

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

--Brian

PS: The Genestealer Cult list, being filled with mining vehicles and high technology and such *ALSO* makes for a great SQUATS Army Codex.

Just sayin'


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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Thanks for all that info Brian, it's great that you got so much versatility out of those models. The Skytalon transporting a Munitorum container seems like it would be extremely useful for a story scenario.

   
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Briancj,

Nice to see a Sky Talon in quite a while.

Interesting idea to replace the Tauros with a Genestealer Cult Achilles Ridgerunner. The Tauros Venator had a six wheel configuration and was longer (still would fit on the Sky Talon).

Cheers,

CB


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Braincj, this is an amazing post! Thank you for the great ideas and inspiration. I love the Sky Talon hauling a container; I never would have thought of that. For some reason, they are the only Elysian models left so I might have to grab one or just just for this purpose. The Ridgerunner is also a great idea. I have tried a few little buggy-type vehicles from other non-GW companies. Once I put them together, I will do a side-by-side. The Ridgerunner is a pretty cool model. The only thing I'm not sold on is the tiny vision slit on the turret thing. That just doesn't compare to the open design of the Tauros, but it seems like it would be a lot easier to build and paint.

-Rids

Xhorik 87th Drop Troops P&M blog https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/775655.page

Project log and campaign featuring Orks, Imperial Guard, Marines, Tyranids: http://www.xhorikwar.blogspot.com/
Currently focused on our Horus Heresy campaign with White Scars, Death Guard and Imperial Militia.  
   
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Syro_ wrote:Thanks for all that info Brian, it's great that you got so much versatility out of those models. The Skytalon transporting a Munitorum container seems like it would be extremely useful for a story scenario.


Yup! I've been jonesing for a re-visit to civilian life in 40K, and the Sky Talons are perfect for such things. Story-based missions, etc. Because, frankly, they're not much use for anything else, given their rules.

Captain Brown wrote:Briancj,

Nice to see a Sky Talon in quite a while.

Interesting idea to replace the Tauros with a Genestealer Cult Achilles Ridgerunner. The Tauros Venator had a six wheel configuration and was longer (still would fit on the Sky Talon).

CB


Thanks! I have two of them, and they rarely saw any use.

I mentioned that in the post (re:Venator wheels). I can say that the conversion would take a little bit of work, because (a) not enough wheels in the kit and (b) the rear suspension would have to be finagled. But it would not be DIFFICULT. It also lends itself to a half-track style conversion, easily. It would be amusing to see small tracks up front and double-wheels in back.

The Riddle of Steel wrote:Braincj, this is an amazing post! Thank you for the great ideas and inspiration. I love the Sky Talon hauling a container; I never would have thought of that. For some reason, they are the only Elysian models left so I might have to grab one or just just for this purpose. The Ridgerunner is also a great idea. I have tried a few little buggy-type vehicles from other non-GW companies. Once I put them together, I will do a side-by-side. The Ridgerunner is a pretty cool model. The only thing I'm not sold on is the tiny vision slit on the turret thing. That just doesn't compare to the open design of the Tauros, but it seems like it would be a lot easier to build and paint.

-Rids


Thank you! The vision-slit thing is, sadly, VERY lame, but 'no interiors' is where GW's been going for a while. Sadly, under that 'hatch' is solid plastic, so you'd have to do some work to open it up. Probably not worth it.

---

I'm setting that project aside for a bit, now that I've found, I think, much of my missing pieces parts for the Minotaurs repair, and I can get back to that.

--B.


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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I'm really pumped that you're dipping into the GSC stuff and thinking in terms of both modeling and game stats. I love the Ridgerunner and Biker models and nearly jumped in when they dropped, but I saw the price and balked. Good to see that the model has some adaptability. Well done on extracting Elysians from those kits, and a point well made about the GSC codex versatility, especially for a Squat army. Oh, how I miss the Squats.

   
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Affton, MO. USA

You’ve made me look at GSC and Valkyries , I cant afford those, but they make good looking Elysians.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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For a very long time people have wanted bikers for IG Rough Riders. So, when they came out for GSC I was pumped. And then sticker shock.

Oh well.

--Brian


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ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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That looks mechtastic!

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Yeah, I got gypped on those years ago as well. But I’m not shelling out for them now. Glad you got them though.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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 Theophony wrote:
Yeah, I got gypped on those years ago as well. But I’m not shelling out for them now. Glad you got them though.


You can live vicariously through me!

--B.


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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 Briancj wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
Yeah, I got gypped on those years ago as well. But I’m not shelling out for them now. Glad you got them though.


You can live vicariously through me!

--B.


That’s the plan , especially with these and the not-Elysians.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
 
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